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There is no doubt this is not our proudest hour, and I am embarrassed by what has happened in the last few days. In a nutshell, there have been less vacancies than was initially expected. That happens all the time in airlines, but unfortunately e-mails were sent out making clear offers of employment, when subsequently it transpired there were not the total number of vacancies they had expected. The only thing that can be said is they genuinely believed that they had the jobs to offer when the 'many congratulations' emails were sent out. Clearly there are lessons to be learnt, and they already have been. Taking a leaf from BA's book, when you pass the selection process they tell you that you are in a hold pool for a year or whatever and no formal offer is made. If a vacancy appears in that time you will be offered a start date, but if it does not then all those swimming in the hold pool find the plug is taken out and are sent a 'Dear John, it is with great regret etc...' email. That is unfortunately not what happened here and it is highly regrettable.
What needs to be said, however, and it is little comfort to those involved, is that this is a genuine error and not some scam as some here are suggesting. I believe that nearly a hundred experienced pilots from all backgrounds have been offered jobs, in addition to over a hundred of the usual cadets. That is not as many as was originally intended, but that happens in every airline as any experienced pilot will know. You start with a base number and that goes up or down as the recruitment period goes on, based on the ever-changing vagaries of fleet movement, routes, fuel prices, summer programme changes, training slots, attrition etc. The lesson to be learnt from this is that a company should never, ever send out the 'we are delighted to offer you a job' e-mail until they have a specific course planned and a start date. I have no doubt that it was all well-intended, but it has caused massive personal pain to those on the receiving end of this and seriously damaged easyJet's reputation, when it was all so avoidable. Nonetheless, the real question for most of those involved is what happens next? The recruitment season is over for this year, but the whole process will begin again next year. I have no doubt that those who have been badly let down will be at the top of the list when it all kicks off again. That is scant consolation, but there you have it.
What needs to be said, however, and it is little comfort to those involved, is that this is a genuine error and not some scam as some here are suggesting. I believe that nearly a hundred experienced pilots from all backgrounds have been offered jobs, in addition to over a hundred of the usual cadets. That is not as many as was originally intended, but that happens in every airline as any experienced pilot will know. You start with a base number and that goes up or down as the recruitment period goes on, based on the ever-changing vagaries of fleet movement, routes, fuel prices, summer programme changes, training slots, attrition etc. The lesson to be learnt from this is that a company should never, ever send out the 'we are delighted to offer you a job' e-mail until they have a specific course planned and a start date. I have no doubt that it was all well-intended, but it has caused massive personal pain to those on the receiving end of this and seriously damaged easyJet's reputation, when it was all so avoidable. Nonetheless, the real question for most of those involved is what happens next? The recruitment season is over for this year, but the whole process will begin again next year. I have no doubt that those who have been badly let down will be at the top of the list when it all kicks off again. That is scant consolation, but there you have it.
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AIMINGHIGH123 - That is indeed so but that is because there are effectively two recruitment streams. The first is the 'experienced' group (that is what this thread is all about) and the second are the cadets that we commit to years in advance. Whether we should do that is another question, but that is what we do. To an extent, what happens in regards to one lot is irrelevant to what happens in the other.
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Until you have an actual contract in your hand with a start date that is signed by both you and the airline you dont have the job.
I empathise with you as someone who has successfully been through the BA process twice, only to not receive said contract before I expired from the pool.
Welcome to the modern world of aviation, for those who thought they had the job before they had a contract, lesson learnt.
I empathise with you as someone who has successfully been through the BA process twice, only to not receive said contract before I expired from the pool.
Welcome to the modern world of aviation, for those who thought they had the job before they had a contract, lesson learnt.
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Flieng,
That is an unfair comment. I think the fact that over 3500 people applied for a position speaks volumes of how sought after a position is within EJ.We are constantly developing everything we do both on the ground and in the air. Easy is not Ryanair and we are not BA, both of which I am delighted about. £478 million and 68 million passengers CAN come from an airline with a dire reputation but when I say goodbye to the pax on the flights I operate very rarely do I have any other opinion that we are an airline that has a very good reputation with passengers and pilots.
That is an unfair comment. I think the fact that over 3500 people applied for a position speaks volumes of how sought after a position is within EJ.We are constantly developing everything we do both on the ground and in the air. Easy is not Ryanair and we are not BA, both of which I am delighted about. £478 million and 68 million passengers CAN come from an airline with a dire reputation but when I say goodbye to the pax on the flights I operate very rarely do I have any other opinion that we are an airline that has a very good reputation with passengers and pilots.
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Look folks - I am not trying to justify the inexcusable. To send out job offers one day, only to send out subsequent e-mails a few weeks later, without even your name on them, to say you have been binned is simply outrageous. I am pretty certain it will not happen again, but the damage is done. As could reasonably have been anticipated, there are now a lot of hurt and angry individuals who see easyJet as an organisation of losers. That is not the case, but the sentiments are understandable. Like I said, it is to be hoped that next year's recruitment process gets under way soon and we can then put then put this mess right.
I am aware that some individuals may be seeking some kind of legal redress through BALPA. All I would say to those folks is to think carefully what they actually want out of this. If you want your pound of flesh but no job then take the legal route, but if you want just want a job flying easyJet aircraft, sit tight for a few months and let your turn come round again.
I am aware that some individuals may be seeking some kind of legal redress through BALPA. All I would say to those folks is to think carefully what they actually want out of this. If you want your pound of flesh but no job then take the legal route, but if you want just want a job flying easyJet aircraft, sit tight for a few months and let your turn come round again.
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Can't really see what Balpa could do about it. I'm assuming nobody has be silly enough to jack their job in without a firm offer and a start date from Easy?
If you look at this week's results presentation from CMC it is clear that there will quite a few places over the next 2 years with more aircraft staying on the books.
If you look at this week's results presentation from CMC it is clear that there will quite a few places over the next 2 years with more aircraft staying on the books.
Mr Meercat, this is arrogance, simple. Anyone disciplined for this cockup ? Why are we recruiting non experienced people anyway ? We are well top heavy with non experienced pilots already.
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I also hate to rain on your parade but as you probably know EZY Pilots in France are about to go on strike.
Why? Well I wouldn't to tarnish any reputations here but suffice to say that the crews have quite simply "had enough".
I also hate to rain on your parade but as you probably know EZY Pilots in France are about to go on strike.
Why? Well I wouldn't to tarnish any reputations here but suffice to say that the crews have quite simply "had enough".
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Binder - this is not really the place to discuss internal industrial matters at easyJet. May I suggest you use the private forum where you can rant until the cows come home.
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AdM,
The strike here is in the public domain; I'm sorry you can't handle that.
I note your comment but the fact is I don't rant.
Here in France the cows have come home. Their milk at this time of year is used to make a very nice cheese called Vacherin Mont d'Or.
I can recommend it with some Hauts Cotes de Nuits.
You should try it, really.
The strike here is in the public domain; I'm sorry you can't handle that.
I note your comment but the fact is I don't rant.
Here in France the cows have come home. Their milk at this time of year is used to make a very nice cheese called Vacherin Mont d'Or.
I can recommend it with some Hauts Cotes de Nuits.
You should try it, really.
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justagiglio77 - Ah, back in our midst again I see. Given that we are talking about France, I am reminded of the timeless words of the famous French football player, Eric Cantona. He said, 'When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'. Is it not a remarkable coincidence that you and he have something in common? When he uttered those words, people sat aghast as they were completely irrelevant to the conversation in hand and utterly incomprehensible.
Binder - that French wine you are drinking may be a little past its sell-by date, but thank you for your kind advice.
Binder - that French wine you are drinking may be a little past its sell-by date, but thank you for your kind advice.
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The trouble with your logic on accepting a flexi SFO contract is that you'll never get a command. You have to be employed by easy to get on the command list.
The company are in the driving seat here. They won't pay a cent more than they have to but if they run out of crew they'll just up the offer. They're not trying to placate Balpa either as the deal with them only concerned cadets/flexi.
The company are in the driving seat here. They won't pay a cent more than they have to but if they run out of crew they'll just up the offer. They're not trying to placate Balpa either as the deal with them only concerned cadets/flexi.
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This is probably worth me following up with easyJet rather than pprune but, since there's a few of us here, if recruitment was to start up again at the same time next year as it did this year then at what point is our 12 months from date of assessment still valid? Is it if we receive an offer within the 12 months or a date of joining within the 12 months? Worth knowing because it very definitely affects our chances of staying afloat in this pool.
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It is unfair that some guys like jimmybond are offered flexi crew contract while others are offered permanent one in LGW,Berlin,MXP or Paris.
It is even more unfair for experience pilots like jimmybond as it will have consequences on time to command (6 months after permanent employment to start the process), (if you are permanent from day one, you'll be able to start the process much earlier than if you are flexi).
And it is outrageous that permanent employment are offered to external candidates before current flexi pilots.
It is a great company for many reasons as mention previously. But something needs to be done regarding contracts and employment in order to bring fairness and transparency.
Treating your children differently won't keep your family happy!
It is even more unfair for experience pilots like jimmybond as it will have consequences on time to command (6 months after permanent employment to start the process), (if you are permanent from day one, you'll be able to start the process much earlier than if you are flexi).
And it is outrageous that permanent employment are offered to external candidates before current flexi pilots.
It is a great company for many reasons as mention previously. But something needs to be done regarding contracts and employment in order to bring fairness and transparency.
Treating your children differently won't keep your family happy!
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If you think what's on offer is better than staying at FlyBe or staying in the ME or whatever then take it. If not then don't. Try not to get emotional about the whole thing. The boot is, at this particular time, well and truly on Easy's foot.