EASA Licensing / FCL Gatwick
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EASA Licensing / FCL Gatwick
I get the impression that all is not well at the Flight Crew Licensing Department of the CAA. I've not had any problems with them before now, and so I'm guessing that they don't have the staff to cope with an increased flow of applications for the new EASA licences.
My CPL expires on Sunday. The postman has already been past our house today, and so I'm now hoping that my new licence arrives tomorrow. If not, then to all intents and purposes I'll be unemployed. All a bit worrying as I'm meant to be working all day on Sunday.
I posted my application to FCL on the 8th October, and they received it on the 9th October. I sat back and waited for five weeks, and then started to wonder when I might expect to receive my new licence. Since then I've emailed them twice, but never received a response. I've phoned twice, and been told that my application will be given priority. The MD of the company that I work for has also written to FCL on my behalf. This week I've enlisted the help of my local MP, and he's been in contact with FCL. They've said that they'll do their best to get my licence out to me. There's still the chance that my licence may arrive tomorrow, but if it doesn't then their best won't have been good enough.
This isn't a dig at FCL. I'm sure that they are doing their best. What worries me is that surely whoever is responsible for FCL should be doing something to rescue what on the outside appears to be a rapidly developing problem.
My CPL expires on Sunday. The postman has already been past our house today, and so I'm now hoping that my new licence arrives tomorrow. If not, then to all intents and purposes I'll be unemployed. All a bit worrying as I'm meant to be working all day on Sunday.
I posted my application to FCL on the 8th October, and they received it on the 9th October. I sat back and waited for five weeks, and then started to wonder when I might expect to receive my new licence. Since then I've emailed them twice, but never received a response. I've phoned twice, and been told that my application will be given priority. The MD of the company that I work for has also written to FCL on my behalf. This week I've enlisted the help of my local MP, and he's been in contact with FCL. They've said that they'll do their best to get my licence out to me. There's still the chance that my licence may arrive tomorrow, but if it doesn't then their best won't have been good enough.
This isn't a dig at FCL. I'm sure that they are doing their best. What worries me is that surely whoever is responsible for FCL should be doing something to rescue what on the outside appears to be a rapidly developing problem.
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Facing major issues with them as well.
Paperwork had been sent for initial issue on August and 3 months later i still haven't heard from them despite my continuous reminder emails and phone calls...
They used to act professionally and they were helpful but currently the situation is disappointing...
Paperwork had been sent for initial issue on August and 3 months later i still haven't heard from them despite my continuous reminder emails and phone calls...
They used to act professionally and they were helpful but currently the situation is disappointing...
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From: FUBAR
I was a bit dissapointed when I went to renew my licence back in July to discover the implementation of EASA had been delayed (again) & that I would receive a good old JAR licence instead of the shiny new EASA version I was anticipating.
It seems I should count my blessings that I was able to do same day service from 08:30 till lunchtime
It seems I should count my blessings that I was able to do same day service from 08:30 till lunchtime
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My initial ATPL was applied for on 12th September,
I'm still waiting for it
They have my log book so to date, I'm 11weeks out of date on entries
I have spoken to them and they say its in the pile of 'to assess'
I'm still waiting for it
They have my log book so to date, I'm 11weeks out of date on entries
I have spoken to them and they say its in the pile of 'to assess'
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
They prioritised those who's licences were expired or about to expire.
By constantly calling them you create more delays.
They are aware of the issues and are working as quickly as possible.
Yes, frustrating, I got caught up in the delays earlier.
I submitted my paper work 3rd week of September and got the licence back 3rd week of October. It was just a straight transfer from JAA to EASA, no type ratings etc to add.
By constantly calling them you create more delays.
They are aware of the issues and are working as quickly as possible.
Yes, frustrating, I got caught up in the delays earlier.
I submitted my paper work 3rd week of September and got the licence back 3rd week of October. It was just a straight transfer from JAA to EASA, no type ratings etc to add.
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F900 Ex: I may yet have to drive down to Gatwick. I can't say that I fancy a 360 mile round trip to beg for my licence. I fail to see how turning up in person suddenly makes it easier for them to process my application. I would have thought that a series of phone calls and letters from myself, my boss, and an MP would have highlighted my need for prompt action.
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From: Polymer Records
Had my sim recently where the TRE said that with only 8 months left on my license I should start to get things moving, quick.
What a complete shambles.
Another set of employees sitting in jobs not answerable to the free market. Imagine an airline treated their customers like this? They'd be out of business within days.
What a complete shambles.
Another set of employees sitting in jobs not answerable to the free market. Imagine an airline treated their customers like this? They'd be out of business within days.
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Redsnail: I wouldn't consider calling up twice to check on the progress of my application to be excessive. I'm trying to do a straight swap, just like you did in September. The difference is that you had to wait for a month whereas I've nearly been waiting for two months.
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From: Gods waiting room!
I called recently to inquire about the renewal of my ATPL and was advised that they currently have a 2 month delay in processing.
Makes it interesting when in the same conversation I asked "how long before my licence expires can I renew?" "Oh, 60 days sir.".... So 2 months then!
They still take the £130 on time though!
Makes it interesting when in the same conversation I asked "how long before my licence expires can I renew?" "Oh, 60 days sir.".... So 2 months then!
They still take the £130 on time though!
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The Mills of God Grind Sure, Grind Slow.
Rest assured that when the aircraft ops begin to be affected by unlicensed drivers, the airlines will lean on the Chaps Against Aviation and the prospect of financial punishment from their real paymasters will produce results?
Meanntime as our degraded status and lack of respect from the Back Office Staff will only continue to get worse.
Meanntime as our degraded status and lack of respect from the Back Office Staff will only continue to get worse.
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In the space of a few weeks I've been issued 3 EASA ATPLs, each one has come back with different types of error that prevent me from using it in my airline job. I'm currently awaiting issue 4 and the CAA assure me they are dealing with it urgently. The frustrating thing is that my JAA licence doesnt expire until 2016 and it would be so simple if the CAA just allowed me to continue using that until such time their admin problems are resolved, however they say I can't because I'm now listed as an EASA licence holder. WHY am I an EASA holder 4 years sooner than I needed to be? Because I made a minor change to my PPL instructor privileges after their admin change over date of 17th September!
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It may be no consolation, but I am aware of some of the stuff going on behind the scenes here. The CAA are pretty inefficient at the best of times, but a 'perfect storm' has developed which makes them even worse than normal - if such a thing were possible. Under the new EASA rules, which no one fully understands (and may explain the numerous mistakes on people's licences), no Type Rating Instructor (TRI) or Type Rating Examiner (TRE) can be revalidated unless he has an EASA licence. Therefore many airlines have decided to apply en-masse for their TRIs/TREs to receive new EASA licences. In the case of easyJet, who I work for, that is the best part of 100 people - that is a lot of licences. I assume the same scene exists at Virgin, BA, Monarch, FlyBe etc and that makes for a massive spike in applications. To add to the misery, at the very time we needed all hands on deck, the CAA temporarily stopped accepting applications to get themselves in order at the time of the changeover. The end result is a massive backlog of applications and an apparent lack of overall direction to try and sort it. No consolation as I say, but even the CAA are recognising it is all a shambles. I just hope that someone, somewhere can get a grip on the situation fairly soon and even send out some sort of communication to everyone waiting. It does have a 'third world' feel about it sadly and rivals anything you would come across in Africa or similar.
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From: Brit living in Malaysia
Same day service is definitely the way to go. I had to change my JAA ATPL for a EASA ATPL a couple of months ago and I arrived LGW at 0630. I was number 3 in the queue and sorted by 1100. Number 1 in the queue had driven from Aberdeen and the second guy had flown in from Europe the night before. The guys and gals at the same day service desk were their usual helpful and friendly selves but even they intimated that there was a big problem brewing.
I think the thing to remember, and it isn't easy, is that CAA have had EASA dumped on them just as much as we have and it really isn't their fault that the system can't cope. We need to look several rungs higher up the food chain for that.
I think the thing to remember, and it isn't easy, is that CAA have had EASA dumped on them just as much as we have and it really isn't their fault that the system can't cope. We need to look several rungs higher up the food chain for that.
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I think that we need to look to the top of the food chain.
The postman has been and gone. Still no licence. So that's me out of a job until I somehow get my licence. I'll have to call them on Monday morning, and then think about driving down to Gatwick to beg. I would drive down on Monday, but for all I know it could arrive through the post on Monday.
I'm fuming. I really don't need this hassle. I'm having an operation a week on Tuesday. I'll then be off for the rest of the year, recovering, while getting paid a mixture of holiday and Statutory Sick Pay.
The postman has been and gone. Still no licence. So that's me out of a job until I somehow get my licence. I'll have to call them on Monday morning, and then think about driving down to Gatwick to beg. I would drive down on Monday, but for all I know it could arrive through the post on Monday.
I'm fuming. I really don't need this hassle. I'm having an operation a week on Tuesday. I'll then be off for the rest of the year, recovering, while getting paid a mixture of holiday and Statutory Sick Pay.