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would be lovely wouldnt it but IMHO and as I have stated before I don't think we will ever have a long hall side anymore. Remember as well guys its the end of our second year of cuts at the end of this financial year (Oct) so a decision on the A300 whci I think is delaying a lot of this will be made only once we have flogged it to death over summer and we have an idea on how busy the 330 will be over winter.....
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Mesh, good points as usual.
"specially if we decide to go 737. Why bother interviewing lots of FBW guys?"
Possible answer:
- B737 option would require serious retraining of existing FBW crews anyway?
- would negate CCQ option and cost company more to convert crews to A330 or poss future A350.
- If FBW crews in hold pool have other flying experience eg: Q400, B200, EMB jets or even instructional backgrounds surely they are no more risk or training cost than CTC cadets?
Another reason why a new A320 order might happen is Monarch maintenance - lots of FBW experience there and servicing EZY machines for foreseeable.
C series could shake up the market - Osdessey seem to think it will beat BA's A318 out of LON City.
"specially if we decide to go 737. Why bother interviewing lots of FBW guys?"
Possible answer:
- B737 option would require serious retraining of existing FBW crews anyway?
- would negate CCQ option and cost company more to convert crews to A330 or poss future A350.
- If FBW crews in hold pool have other flying experience eg: Q400, B200, EMB jets or even instructional backgrounds surely they are no more risk or training cost than CTC cadets?
Another reason why a new A320 order might happen is Monarch maintenance - lots of FBW experience there and servicing EZY machines for foreseeable.
C series could shake up the market - Osdessey seem to think it will beat BA's A318 out of LON City.
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If and it's a big if, all the A300 pilots stay with Monarch rather than retire then just to keep the same passanger capacity at least another 2 (or 3) full airframe sets of crews will have to be recruited. I would say this is at least another 30 pilots required on top of planned fleet capacity expansion before next summer season.
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Alloy/mesh - all this sounds promising for a bit of ongoing recruitment over the next few months! It hasn't been a secret though that the A300s have been getting a bit long in the tooth for a while - and in need of replacement.
Mesh - I still reckon there'll be some long haul in the future, although to what extent I don't know. If (and it's a really really big IF!), I do succeed on getting into monarch, I'll gladly buy you a beer if I'm wrong!!
On a separate note, is there any reason why Monarch would opt for Boeing of bombardier over airbus? (Cost aside!) - I guess it would make sense to keep the fleet as a single family series? Mind you, the sales pitch of the C-series seems to be winning over a few at the moment.
No doubt all will come clear come September!
Mesh - I still reckon there'll be some long haul in the future, although to what extent I don't know. If (and it's a really really big IF!), I do succeed on getting into monarch, I'll gladly buy you a beer if I'm wrong!!
On a separate note, is there any reason why Monarch would opt for Boeing of bombardier over airbus? (Cost aside!) - I guess it would make sense to keep the fleet as a single family series? Mind you, the sales pitch of the C-series seems to be winning over a few at the moment.
No doubt all will come clear come September!
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The C series is an interesting aircraft, but i guess much will depend on what strategy Monarch have going forward, if you can fill aeroplanes and i guess monarch do then the 737 is cheaper per seat costs than the Airbus, but it would be a huge retraining effort, all the more so if they took some C series into the mix, it might work for some smaller airports but i can't see LCY being in any way relevant to Monarch and if the pilots are all on the same salary grading then loss of 54 seats on the C would need a massive saving in running and purchases costs.
It ought to be a simple Boeing -v- Airbus with the 738max & 787 -v- 320/21Neo & 330/350, i guess much will depend on delivery time tables from both manufactures, but lead times on a new order must be out to 2016/17 from both?
It ought to be a simple Boeing -v- Airbus with the 738max & 787 -v- 320/21Neo & 330/350, i guess much will depend on delivery time tables from both manufactures, but lead times on a new order must be out to 2016/17 from both?
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I believe recruitment for Autumn/winter courses is now complete.
Mon will be looking to recruit around 50 FO's at the back end of next year though, all subject to change of course...
Mon will be looking to recruit around 50 FO's at the back end of next year though, all subject to change of course...
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Yep, as stated earlier all done for this winter, just a few taken to fill a slot Pre Christmas. As above we have just heard around 50 more places to be recruited for next year. To early to say when they will join us, clearer picture once fleet announcement later in the year
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When the email about being placed in a holding pool for Summer 2013/Winter 2014 interviews first came out they had already hired around 100 pilots. As one of the guys who applied around June 2012 and who received this email, I thought my interview opportunity was surely around the corner. Since then many more have been invited and hired but no such opportunity has manifested itself and along with many others I haven't received a rejection either which proves to an extent that Monarch are honouring their hold pool system (can't say for certain if its based on application date). Now with talk of a possible 50 being hired late next year I get the feeling I'm about 1 out of at least another 200 in the hold pool. I'm no expert, but the stats are quite obvious. I highly doubt, the online application will be opening this year or next.
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@ Mesh,
I work for the company... But a little confused! So we took 100 on over the space of last winter. We have run interviews recently for more Pilots. There is talk of 50 more. The people who have been interviewed for courses this autumn, are they the 50? Or have we recruited a certain number already and the number has just gone up by 50? Having read the forum I had the impression we were only taking 50 in total after the initial 100 of this year due to a scaling back of expansion..
I work for the company... But a little confused! So we took 100 on over the space of last winter. We have run interviews recently for more Pilots. There is talk of 50 more. The people who have been interviewed for courses this autumn, are they the 50? Or have we recruited a certain number already and the number has just gone up by 50? Having read the forum I had the impression we were only taking 50 in total after the initial 100 of this year due to a scaling back of expansion..
For what it's worth - and this applies to any airline.
Even if you are told you are "in the pool"; If/When you hear that they might be recruiting, or about to recruit; Print off a new CV and a covering letter and get in the car and take it to the head office in person that same day and give it to someone significant.... I speak from experience.
Even if you are told you are "in the pool"; If/When you hear that they might be recruiting, or about to recruit; Print off a new CV and a covering letter and get in the car and take it to the head office in person that same day and give it to someone significant.... I speak from experience.
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Worth also bearing in mind, that the current intention is to retire two complete fleets over the next 18 months. That is a lot of pilots being churned within the company, and consequently a sizeable re-training commitment.
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MPL push?
According to PPJN:
Monarch pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
MPL cadets seem to be preferred choice.
I know of several highly experienced guys on long term hold in pool and some ex mil turned down despite excellent skills and background.
Monarch pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
MPL cadets seem to be preferred choice.
I know of several highly experienced guys on long term hold in pool and some ex mil turned down despite excellent skills and background.
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Why do you say we prefer MPL? We have recruited circa 110 FO's over the last year and less than a handful are MPL. I can't say anything about long term hold poolers and the reasons for them not being employed but we do interview a lot of experienced guys both military and non military and they don't get through for a number of reasons most of which you can guess. As stated before we still like a mix and it works well. We welcome the new MPL guys and are confident they will work out very nicely. Believe it or not we usually find CTC low houred guys very motivated and open to our training and they tend to do very well. The extra training sectors tend to be used on guys with some experience that need to be re-trained in certain areas as with most airlines.
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Just received this. That would appear to be that.
Dear Applicant
With reference to our previous correspondence to you, we would like to take this opportunity to update you on our
current position.
Our 2013 recruitment programme is now complete as our courses are now fully assigned and it is not anticipated at this
time to commence any further recruitment this year. We would like to advise you however, that it could well be 2014
before any additional recruitment is required as we are now waiting for fleet forecast for the 2014 period. Please be
assured that your details will remain on file for the time being and we will contact you again toward the end of the
year once our forecast has been confirmed to advise if your application has been progressed through to the next stage
for 2014 recruitment.
Thank you for your continued interest in Monarch and we hope to be back in contact again in the not too distant future.
Yours faithfully
Group Recruitment HR Team
Monarch
Dear Applicant
With reference to our previous correspondence to you, we would like to take this opportunity to update you on our
current position.
Our 2013 recruitment programme is now complete as our courses are now fully assigned and it is not anticipated at this
time to commence any further recruitment this year. We would like to advise you however, that it could well be 2014
before any additional recruitment is required as we are now waiting for fleet forecast for the 2014 period. Please be
assured that your details will remain on file for the time being and we will contact you again toward the end of the
year once our forecast has been confirmed to advise if your application has been progressed through to the next stage
for 2014 recruitment.
Thank you for your continued interest in Monarch and we hope to be back in contact again in the not too distant future.
Yours faithfully
Group Recruitment HR Team
Monarch
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For those of you clinging onto that last shred of hope, here's the latest from HR:
With reference to our previous correspondence to you, we would like to take this opportunity to update you on our
current position.
Our 2013 recruitment programme is now complete as our courses are now fully assigned and it is not anticipated at this
time to commence any further recruitment this year. We would like to advise you however, that it could well be 2014
before any additional recruitment is required as we are now waiting for fleet forecast for the 2014 period. Please be
assured that your details will remain on file for the time being and we will contact you again toward the end of the
year once our forecast has been confirmed to advise if your application has been progressed through to the next stage
for 2014 recruitment.
Thank you for your continued interest in Monarch and we hope to be back in contact again in the not too distant future.
Yours faithfully
current position.
Our 2013 recruitment programme is now complete as our courses are now fully assigned and it is not anticipated at this
time to commence any further recruitment this year. We would like to advise you however, that it could well be 2014
before any additional recruitment is required as we are now waiting for fleet forecast for the 2014 period. Please be
assured that your details will remain on file for the time being and we will contact you again toward the end of the
year once our forecast has been confirmed to advise if your application has been progressed through to the next stage
for 2014 recruitment.
Thank you for your continued interest in Monarch and we hope to be back in contact again in the not too distant future.
Yours faithfully