Ryanair Pilots 15%+ Pay Cut since 2009
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Well its a fact of life isnt it ??? RYR pilots dont Stick together otherwise
You wouldnt have the terms & conditions that Quite a few guys are online here complaining about today, Fact! One thing is having a Union, another thing is to have a STRONG Union. Now once again I Hope you succeed IN
Making a Union, but i takes even more to have a STRONG Union afterwards.
You say some lame frases about surporting families and so on which just comes across to me as a way of justifying you Own inability to do something about it... BS it is! There are loads of other options as pointed out.
Would I say my opinion to a RYR pilots face... Yes i Would because its the truth, and I allready have to a few freinds of mine flying there and complaining about it as Well...
The truth hurts, I know but history has shows your results so far!
Look out and Good luck !
You wouldnt have the terms & conditions that Quite a few guys are online here complaining about today, Fact! One thing is having a Union, another thing is to have a STRONG Union. Now once again I Hope you succeed IN
Making a Union, but i takes even more to have a STRONG Union afterwards.
You say some lame frases about surporting families and so on which just comes across to me as a way of justifying you Own inability to do something about it... BS it is! There are loads of other options as pointed out.
Would I say my opinion to a RYR pilots face... Yes i Would because its the truth, and I allready have to a few freinds of mine flying there and complaining about it as Well...
The truth hurts, I know but history has shows your results so far!
Look out and Good luck !
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Olicana- congrats on getting an Economics degree as well. I will get you a medal.
Things are in black and white at FR, not great but I am still building up time and paying my debts off for all my training, at present there are few jobs around so just hanging tight at the moment, people on here do moan a lot even those without jobs!!
Things are in black and white at FR, not great but I am still building up time and paying my debts off for all my training, at present there are few jobs around so just hanging tight at the moment, people on here do moan a lot even those without jobs!!
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I fly for RYR.
And I had no surprises since I joined. I had 15 years previous experience in an other airline. I think that if you are based where you prefer then there is not many companies in Europe that beat RYR. There are pros and cons in any company. To everyone I wish you good jobs and a lot of flying
/T
And I had no surprises since I joined. I had 15 years previous experience in an other airline. I think that if you are based where you prefer then there is not many companies in Europe that beat RYR. There are pros and cons in any company. To everyone I wish you good jobs and a lot of flying /T
If you think pay rises are happening with generosity elsewhere, rest assured they aren't. I currently work in a safety critical area for an oil major. My recent pay rises:
2008: 0.0%
2009: 0.6%
2010: 1.1%
2011: 0.8%
Hardly anything to write home about either. My management know damn well there aren't any jobs about so they have a free hand to bend us over and shaft us. Not exactly surprising that bean counters in other industries are doing the same.
2008: 0.0%
2009: 0.6%
2010: 1.1%
2011: 0.8%
Hardly anything to write home about either. My management know damn well there aren't any jobs about so they have a free hand to bend us over and shaft us. Not exactly surprising that bean counters in other industries are doing the same.
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Dunno, over here every worker in the biggest industry received an average bonus of around 6500€ last year and this year somewhat over 8k€, plus the usual yearly increases of around 3,5%.
Me myself will receive an increase of 5% this year and another 4% mininum (could be more) next year, despite flying for a financially challenged airline. Thanks to a workforce which backs its union.
Me myself will receive an increase of 5% this year and another 4% mininum (could be more) next year, despite flying for a financially challenged airline. Thanks to a workforce which backs its union.
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If you don't work in aviation, as you say, then you really don't have a clue how badly Ryanair treat people. So, I'd stay out of the debate and let the MANY people in Ryanair who have a valid complaint, complain.
It's a terrible outfit.
As for pay rises, in January 2012 I receive a 6.1% pay rise. I also received a very, very generous bonus in February 2012.
My employer recognises that hard work, safety and performance all merit reward.
Ryanair, conversely, do not. Unless you're a senior executive.
It's a terrible outfit.
As for pay rises, in January 2012 I receive a 6.1% pay rise. I also received a very, very generous bonus in February 2012.
My employer recognises that hard work, safety and performance all merit reward.
Ryanair, conversely, do not. Unless you're a senior executive.
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AimingHigh,
So, you're yet another fATPL wonder boy, who hasn't flown for an airline and thinks they've got the whole game sewn up.
Wake up sonny Jim, Ryanair is a disaster and will continue to be so whilst there are enough clones like you stumbling about in a zombie, semi aroused erect state, all the while having a wet dream about flying a jet.
I've been in this industry a while, and I have full confidence in my correctness in saying that you sir, are talking bollocks.
So, you're yet another fATPL wonder boy, who hasn't flown for an airline and thinks they've got the whole game sewn up.
Wake up sonny Jim, Ryanair is a disaster and will continue to be so whilst there are enough clones like you stumbling about in a zombie, semi aroused erect state, all the while having a wet dream about flying a jet.
I've been in this industry a while, and I have full confidence in my correctness in saying that you sir, are talking bollocks.
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Always love it when people think they know what they're talking about. Aiminghigh, we in RYR are trying to make this a better place for people like you to come in and reap the rewards and treat it as a career instead of an hour building exercise.
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RYNAIR
HAS
DESTROYED
THE
PROFESSION.
I have no sympathy at all for those bloody 2 stripes CPL holder who once signed for a slaveryscheme with Ryanair and who are crying all their tears today.
HAS
DESTROYED
THE
PROFESSION.
I have no sympathy at all for those bloody 2 stripes CPL holder who once signed for a slaveryscheme with Ryanair and who are crying all their tears today.
Quote Joe Bloggs: ''A good many people have invested heavily in their careers at Ryanair''
There's the problem. RYR cannot be considered a career airline anymore. It's somewhere people pass through on their way up, but unless you are the lucky few who are in the left seat at a base of your choice - a long term future with them isn't attractive. For those starry eyed newguys with the brand new fATPLs who think that the glossy paint on the jets is going to make the job better, the point in your life where they have to make long term decisions is never far away and the glamour of the new job evaporates rapidly.
There is no doubt that a lot of the rot in this industry started with LoCos and in particular, with RYR. How this affect everyone is clear when you see what is happening in my company. We have some of the best Ts and Cs in the world - but we live in one of the most expensive cities in the world. We are recruiting, the basic pay is the same as was on offer before, but the additional benefits which are essential to maintain the lifestyle most are accustomed to are vastly reduced. The package sounds attractive though, in comparison to what is now on offer in Europe and we have had plenty of applicants - many from RYR! We have in this industry a whole generation of pilots who think it's normal to pay over a hundred thousand pounds to get into the seat of a jet while paying for food/uniforms/passes/accomodation etc and any extra scraps are jumped on. We are now seeking pilots with lower expectations.
It will be interesting to see how long these new recruits will last here.
There's the problem. RYR cannot be considered a career airline anymore. It's somewhere people pass through on their way up, but unless you are the lucky few who are in the left seat at a base of your choice - a long term future with them isn't attractive. For those starry eyed newguys with the brand new fATPLs who think that the glossy paint on the jets is going to make the job better, the point in your life where they have to make long term decisions is never far away and the glamour of the new job evaporates rapidly.
There is no doubt that a lot of the rot in this industry started with LoCos and in particular, with RYR. How this affect everyone is clear when you see what is happening in my company. We have some of the best Ts and Cs in the world - but we live in one of the most expensive cities in the world. We are recruiting, the basic pay is the same as was on offer before, but the additional benefits which are essential to maintain the lifestyle most are accustomed to are vastly reduced. The package sounds attractive though, in comparison to what is now on offer in Europe and we have had plenty of applicants - many from RYR! We have in this industry a whole generation of pilots who think it's normal to pay over a hundred thousand pounds to get into the seat of a jet while paying for food/uniforms/passes/accomodation etc and any extra scraps are jumped on. We are now seeking pilots with lower expectations.
It will be interesting to see how long these new recruits will last here.
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There are now more Ryanair pilots in IALPA than Aer Lingus pilots. There is a steady stream joining lately. The only way to protect the future of the profession is to stand together. Laziness and selfishness won't cut it.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, OR BEND OVER AND BE MOUNTED!
no slot.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, OR BEND OVER AND BE MOUNTED!
no slot.
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@Dan Winterland, well said 
@no slot, let me explain you something very basic. AER LINGUS recognises the union. Ryanair DOES NOT recognise any union. Most of the Ryanair slaves have no proper working contract established by Ryanair itself, they have an hilarous crappy contract from Gibraltar, with no benefit and this gives Ryanair all right to fire anyone anytime with no explanation whatsoever.
So continue dreaming with your IALPA, you will get NOTHING, just more vaseline and this it what you and your colleagues deserve.
By the way, look at Aer Lingus itself. It is a bad flag carrier transformed into low cost ****.
@no slot, let me explain you something very basic. AER LINGUS recognises the union. Ryanair DOES NOT recognise any union. Most of the Ryanair slaves have no proper working contract established by Ryanair itself, they have an hilarous crappy contract from Gibraltar, with no benefit and this gives Ryanair all right to fire anyone anytime with no explanation whatsoever.
So continue dreaming with your IALPA, you will get NOTHING, just more vaseline and this it what you and your colleagues deserve.
By the way, look at Aer Lingus itself. It is a bad flag carrier transformed into low cost ****.
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@wind check
Thanks for your insights.
Yes we will continue dreaming about IALPA, because they are working hard behind the scenes for us, as evidence by the many emails and campaigns they have launched to raise awareness and gather information from the FR pilot body.
As for the Vaseline chirp...I suggest you have more respect for your collegues, this remark is disgraceful, coming from a so called professional.
We are working very hard to improve our lot, and consequently the lot of the industry.
Goose.
FR Skipper.
Thanks for your insights.
Yes we will continue dreaming about IALPA, because they are working hard behind the scenes for us, as evidence by the many emails and campaigns they have launched to raise awareness and gather information from the FR pilot body.
As for the Vaseline chirp...I suggest you have more respect for your collegues, this remark is disgraceful, coming from a so called professional.
We are working very hard to improve our lot, and consequently the lot of the industry.
Goose.
FR Skipper.
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Wind Check et al,
Great to see some solidarity from fellow professionals.
Blaming low hour SSTR pilots for a situation that was allowed to develop long before they first strapped into a Cessna 150 is certainly a worthwhile exercise. They are realists, living in a reality created under your watch.
The far reaching consequences of one airline displaying disregard for it's most valuable HR asset and degrading their T&C's, is industry wide. You may be sitting in a legacy flight deck now, with a silver dinner service enjoying your fillet mignon. However, it wont be long before the implications of your disdain and indifference from afar, in your cocooned privilaged existance comes 'a knocking on your door.
An industry wide rot can only be killed at source. It is as much your duty as the individuals flying for the airline to ensure that it is stopped.
Ranting at your fellow professionals, in the throes of an obvious superiority complex achieves exactly what those running airlines these days aim to achieve. Division.
Great to see some solidarity from fellow professionals.
Blaming low hour SSTR pilots for a situation that was allowed to develop long before they first strapped into a Cessna 150 is certainly a worthwhile exercise. They are realists, living in a reality created under your watch.
The far reaching consequences of one airline displaying disregard for it's most valuable HR asset and degrading their T&C's, is industry wide. You may be sitting in a legacy flight deck now, with a silver dinner service enjoying your fillet mignon. However, it wont be long before the implications of your disdain and indifference from afar, in your cocooned privilaged existance comes 'a knocking on your door.
An industry wide rot can only be killed at source. It is as much your duty as the individuals flying for the airline to ensure that it is stopped.
Ranting at your fellow professionals, in the throes of an obvious superiority complex achieves exactly what those running airlines these days aim to achieve. Division.
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Wind Check, a tad aggressive ( or scorned? ).
I never said I fly for Ryanair. The pilots in Ryanair deserve more. With a little organisation their lot will improve. Ryanair will be forced to recognise a union if enough Pilots join. Globally there is a pilot shortage. The time is now. If Pilots look out for each other, regardless of how comfortable your current flying job is, the industry will be forced to offer good salaries and terms and conditions.
I'm tired of hearing the talk of Lions who sacrafice like Lambs.
no slot.
I never said I fly for Ryanair. The pilots in Ryanair deserve more. With a little organisation their lot will improve. Ryanair will be forced to recognise a union if enough Pilots join. Globally there is a pilot shortage. The time is now. If Pilots look out for each other, regardless of how comfortable your current flying job is, the industry will be forced to offer good salaries and terms and conditions.
I'm tired of hearing the talk of Lions who sacrafice like Lambs.
no slot.
