Ethiopean airlines pilot jobs - Warning
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Respectable? Never had any association for them from a working point of view but thought that they were the best in Africa.
Until their reaction to the Beirut accident report proved that they are just another dangerous, crappy African airline. Stay away as a passenger. all respect lost.
Until their reaction to the Beirut accident report proved that they are just another dangerous, crappy African airline. Stay away as a passenger. all respect lost.
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Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training
Get it through YOUR head that if they want to compete on the international market for qualified, experienced Pilots, they have to offer Ts&Cs that will make people want to come.
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Bottom feeders ala Ethiopian continue to attract typical whores who are willing to sell themselves out as well as lower the bar for the rest of the industry.
That said, at the end of the day, if there are enough of these miscreants beating a path to the doorstep of Ethiopian Airlines to fly shiny NGs, then what's their incentive to improve their T & Cs?
That said, at the end of the day, if there are enough of these miscreants beating a path to the doorstep of Ethiopian Airlines to fly shiny NGs, then what's their incentive to improve their T & Cs?
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Strontium, as I understand it they pay nothing (much) during training because of the number of people who banged out , either during, or shortly afterwards.
The reasons I have been given for this "disloyalty" were
A - a change in policy requiring experienced Commanders be line checked by paid (of course) Line Trainers to every destination, thereby paying the local & delaying paying the foreigner. I have heard stories that this (and the accompanying unpaid period) can drag on a very long time, something even some of the agencies will admit to.
B - Training Capts who thought they were Gods Gift to Aviation & spoke/treated experienced Commanders in the same fashion that they seem to get away with treating their own FO's, whilst failing to provide clear SOP's that they then lambast candidates for not knowing.
C - Whether it is 3x what the Locals receive or not, the package is cr@p & therefore if people get a better offer they will of course jump ship.
This info has ben posted by enough ex employees that I seriously doubt it is just sour grapes, & I also had personal contact with 2 individuals who confirmed these stories & a few even less savoury ones besides.
The Ethiopians are known as very proud, they count themselves as something above the average African.
This may well be, however, to be treated as something more prestigious, your behaviour has to merit it.
From what I have heard it doesn't, perhaps if all the above issues were addressed the problem of new crew jumping ship could be solved, & they could start to offer normal terms & conditions from Day1.
If you are happy with it, either because you found nothing better, or you enjoy to be used as unpaid labour initially, & then get paid peanuts, well, good luck to you.
However, please do not come on here & try to sell sawdust as gold dust, it just isn't.
The reasons I have been given for this "disloyalty" were
A - a change in policy requiring experienced Commanders be line checked by paid (of course) Line Trainers to every destination, thereby paying the local & delaying paying the foreigner. I have heard stories that this (and the accompanying unpaid period) can drag on a very long time, something even some of the agencies will admit to.
B - Training Capts who thought they were Gods Gift to Aviation & spoke/treated experienced Commanders in the same fashion that they seem to get away with treating their own FO's, whilst failing to provide clear SOP's that they then lambast candidates for not knowing.
C - Whether it is 3x what the Locals receive or not, the package is cr@p & therefore if people get a better offer they will of course jump ship.
This info has ben posted by enough ex employees that I seriously doubt it is just sour grapes, & I also had personal contact with 2 individuals who confirmed these stories & a few even less savoury ones besides.
The Ethiopians are known as very proud, they count themselves as something above the average African.
This may well be, however, to be treated as something more prestigious, your behaviour has to merit it.
From what I have heard it doesn't, perhaps if all the above issues were addressed the problem of new crew jumping ship could be solved, & they could start to offer normal terms & conditions from Day1.
If you are happy with it, either because you found nothing better, or you enjoy to be used as unpaid labour initially, & then get paid peanuts, well, good luck to you.
However, please do not come on here & try to sell sawdust as gold dust, it just isn't.
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You people are the most clueless bunch I've ever seen. You misread their mentality sooooo much it's pathetic! You're still thinking in terms of the neat and tidy contract work you're used to elsewhere. Forget it! This is a different world and you're doing a disservice to anyone who would benefit from working there.
If anyone out there is serious about the airline, here's some real insight you can use instead of the vitriol I see posted: Ethiopian, or as the literary genius Zubenelwhatever calls it, "Ethiopean," is a government-owned enterprise with profit being only one of its many motivators. It has survived decades of political subversion, mismanagement, wars, civil wars, disasters, countless hijakings and coups-galore to become a respectable outfit in Africa. To think that your pompous threat of "boycott" will pain the airline is comedic delusion at its best! Just mind boggling, laughable cluelessness!
Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training- so don't come broke and threaten them with a story that you'll turn into a beggar if they don't pay you immediately- they don't care. As far as they know, living on the edge of bankruptcy is your own problem. Know that you have to be patient with EVERYTHING while there. Everyone is delayed and given the run around, including the locals, not just you. Save your patronizing as no one will accommodate your workers' rights philosophy, neither will they play the role of satisfying your unemployment needs. The fact that you get paid 3 times a local captain will make your indignation seem out of place at the office. They're proud, and you appear as just another in a line of know-it-all foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, so consider your attitude before you try to join- a friendly one will get you much farther than pounding on some agency contract or a lecture on labor laws. They dictate the terms. They're liable to change them. Take it, or leave it- for a better airline if you can.
That's reality, so you either know about it and make it work, or you can spend your time debating the virtues of the Magna Carta- your choice. One will lead to a job, the other to frustration. Some are satisfied, some are not. Most expats are level-headed and know enough to get the maximum out of their circumstances. Others are incompetent boobs who slip through the cracks and pray their next screw-up doesn't cost them their job. Or if they get rejected, spew trash and fumble around forums to boost their fallen ego. If you do make it through training and come to appreciate the work, like some of the more balanced expats there do, you'll have a variety of destinations not found at most other places, great hotels, time in one of the safest capitals anywhere, and a chance to see a unique culture.
It's hard flying, but think for yourself and don't listen to the poison spouted like the "starvation versus shiny jets" brain-fart, and the "bottom-feeder airline" nonsense. The third-world shortcomings come as a great revelation these knuckleheads. The easier it is for you to realize complaining won't change the culutre, the sooner you'll adapt.
Those uninformed should get a better grasp of the reality of the world they live in, stop acting the prima donna and first try to understand what they're getting into before becoming online crusaders.
If anyone out there is serious about the airline, here's some real insight you can use instead of the vitriol I see posted: Ethiopian, or as the literary genius Zubenelwhatever calls it, "Ethiopean," is a government-owned enterprise with profit being only one of its many motivators. It has survived decades of political subversion, mismanagement, wars, civil wars, disasters, countless hijakings and coups-galore to become a respectable outfit in Africa. To think that your pompous threat of "boycott" will pain the airline is comedic delusion at its best! Just mind boggling, laughable cluelessness!
Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training- so don't come broke and threaten them with a story that you'll turn into a beggar if they don't pay you immediately- they don't care. As far as they know, living on the edge of bankruptcy is your own problem. Know that you have to be patient with EVERYTHING while there. Everyone is delayed and given the run around, including the locals, not just you. Save your patronizing as no one will accommodate your workers' rights philosophy, neither will they play the role of satisfying your unemployment needs. The fact that you get paid 3 times a local captain will make your indignation seem out of place at the office. They're proud, and you appear as just another in a line of know-it-all foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, so consider your attitude before you try to join- a friendly one will get you much farther than pounding on some agency contract or a lecture on labor laws. They dictate the terms. They're liable to change them. Take it, or leave it- for a better airline if you can.
That's reality, so you either know about it and make it work, or you can spend your time debating the virtues of the Magna Carta- your choice. One will lead to a job, the other to frustration. Some are satisfied, some are not. Most expats are level-headed and know enough to get the maximum out of their circumstances. Others are incompetent boobs who slip through the cracks and pray their next screw-up doesn't cost them their job. Or if they get rejected, spew trash and fumble around forums to boost their fallen ego. If you do make it through training and come to appreciate the work, like some of the more balanced expats there do, you'll have a variety of destinations not found at most other places, great hotels, time in one of the safest capitals anywhere, and a chance to see a unique culture.
It's hard flying, but think for yourself and don't listen to the poison spouted like the "starvation versus shiny jets" brain-fart, and the "bottom-feeder airline" nonsense. The third-world shortcomings come as a great revelation these knuckleheads. The easier it is for you to realize complaining won't change the culutre, the sooner you'll adapt.
Those uninformed should get a better grasp of the reality of the world they live in, stop acting the prima donna and first try to understand what they're getting into before becoming online crusaders.
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It wasn't so long ago that all the begging TV adverts were for the "famine- starved Ethiopians"....we (the West) sent aid.....this arrogant post by "strontium" is your thanks.
how the hell does an impoverished country afford new shiny jets?
Disgraceful.....no doubt the mods will consign this post to the wastebin
how the hell does an impoverished country afford new shiny jets?
Disgraceful.....no doubt the mods will consign this post to the wastebin
New 787's in "expert" hands
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Blame
As some posters already put here: as long as there people willing to accept such crap there's no limit to conditions/dignity degradation.
We pilots are our worst enemies.
This is frustratingly disgusting.
Likes as Strontium as just management a....s lickers which shouldn't be taken seriously.
"Respectable outfit in Africa" ???
give us a break...
We pilots are our worst enemies.
This is frustratingly disgusting.
Likes as Strontium as just management a....s lickers which shouldn't be taken seriously.
"Respectable outfit in Africa" ???
give us a break...
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Captjins well said!
"Bottom feeders ala Ethiopian continue to attract typical whores who are willing to sell themselves out as well as lower the bar for the rest of the industry.
That said, at the end of the day, if there are enough of these miscreants beating a path to the doorstep of Ethiopian Airlines to fly shiny NGs, then what's their incentive to improve their T & Cs? "
I cannot agree more with you!
Shameful outfit.
That said, at the end of the day, if there are enough of these miscreants beating a path to the doorstep of Ethiopian Airlines to fly shiny NGs, then what's their incentive to improve their T & Cs? "
I cannot agree more with you!
Shameful outfit.
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That post by 'strontium' is strangely reminiscent of the appalling posts that used to appear in Ryanair threads from the chap that thought the sunshine emanated from MOL's rear end. Nom de plume escapes me at the moment but regular readers will know who I'm on about. Perhaps he has decamped to Addis Ababa?
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Shameful
I just want to add a note: The pimp and the whores work together on this.
A Agent contacted me if I would be interested to fly B777´s for them. After asking for more details what the patterns are, the routes and the rest of the conditions I asked them if we are back in Apartheid the other way. The Expats on the B777´s fly the cargo only, PAX operation stays reserved for Ethiopian Pilots only. Same game with the salary, not getting paid until the "training" is over, that can take ages as we learned here.
Resume: Prostitution is not illigeal in some Countries, pimping is mostly. Today " Mama-San " is now up in the Gentleman level and called Manager......
Needless to say that I had the levy not to take any further persuings on the offer.
A Agent contacted me if I would be interested to fly B777´s for them. After asking for more details what the patterns are, the routes and the rest of the conditions I asked them if we are back in Apartheid the other way. The Expats on the B777´s fly the cargo only, PAX operation stays reserved for Ethiopian Pilots only. Same game with the salary, not getting paid until the "training" is over, that can take ages as we learned here.
Resume: Prostitution is not illigeal in some Countries, pimping is mostly. Today " Mama-San " is now up in the Gentleman level and called Manager......
Needless to say that I had the levy not to take any further persuings on the offer.
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Ha ha I found this very amusing it turns out Leo Hairy Camel has a facebook page with only 3 friends and lo and behold one of them happens to be Peter Bellew , he could be the real MOL ha
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Strontium,
It is you that needs to get a better grasp of the world. There is nothing wrong with expecting to be paid for the work you do, including during training. The vast majority of world airlines do NOT treat their employees in the disgraceful way that Ethiopian do.
You are a complete clown to come here and berate the wider pilot community for not accepting your airline's crass and substandard behaviour, and you are either a management lackey or a complete idiot. Probably both.
Enjoy it.
It is you that needs to get a better grasp of the world. There is nothing wrong with expecting to be paid for the work you do, including during training. The vast majority of world airlines do NOT treat their employees in the disgraceful way that Ethiopian do.
You are a complete clown to come here and berate the wider pilot community for not accepting your airline's crass and substandard behaviour, and you are either a management lackey or a complete idiot. Probably both.
Enjoy it.
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B737NG,
Good for you!
At least someone has the ball$ to stand up to this madness!!!! Who do they think they are dictating what we expats can and cannot fly at their own national carrier? How dare they want us to fly something junky like this:
JetPhotos.Net Photo » ET-APS (CN: 41846) Ethiopian Cargo Boeing 777-F6N by billiam
No way will they force jobless pilots to fly that flying disgrace!!!!
On a serious note, the terms sound awful (complete slap to the face of professional aviation) and withholding pay until all routes are hit in training is ridiculous - but the type rating and experience could be useful down the road if you look at it from a long-term perspective... Unfortunately, as economies ebb and flow worldwide, aviators need to view themselves as traveling mercanaries these days.
Good for you!
At least someone has the ball$ to stand up to this madness!!!! Who do they think they are dictating what we expats can and cannot fly at their own national carrier? How dare they want us to fly something junky like this:JetPhotos.Net Photo » ET-APS (CN: 41846) Ethiopian Cargo Boeing 777-F6N by billiam
No way will they force jobless pilots to fly that flying disgrace!!!!
On a serious note, the terms sound awful (complete slap to the face of professional aviation) and withholding pay until all routes are hit in training is ridiculous - but the type rating and experience could be useful down the road if you look at it from a long-term perspective... Unfortunately, as economies ebb and flow worldwide, aviators need to view themselves as traveling mercanaries these days.
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Sorry
On a serious note, the terms sound awful (complete slap to the face of professional aviation) and withholding pay until all routes are hit in training is ridiculous - but the type rating and experience could be useful down the road if you look at it from a long-term perspective... Unfortunately, as economies ebb and flow worldwide, aviators need to view themselves as traveling mercanaries these days.
Global economics isn't an excuse. We are our worst enemies.
Of course it isn't a "serious note".