Ethiopean airlines pilot jobs - Warning
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First, I mentioned that the terms are ridiculous for this type of position - a slap to the face of any professional pilot. Not sure if you got that.
Next, I mentioned that with world economies ebbing and flowing, unfortunately, pilots may have to take the long view and collect type ratings and experience that will serve them well throughout their careers. You have to weigh the costs and benefits. I know pilots at AF and LH who are not certain about their once-protected "careers" due to future economic uncertainty. Some are actually leaving aviation. I guess just because you want to be a pilot and you want to make 350,000 Euros per year you will actually get it - because you have control over the situation. You live in a dream world. The old legacy careers are in jeopardy and you can either be proactive about your career (if you want to remain a professional pilot) or you can be reactive.
I am not advocating that anyone take a job with Ethiopian. I am suggesting that you need to weigh the potential positives and the potential negatives - especially if you are jobless or about to be furloughed. Of course you can pass on the job with Ethiopian, but we all know someone else will take it. That is, unfortunately, the nature of the airline business these days. Not good for any professional pilot - especially those who amass debt to pay for their own training and ratings.
First, I mentioned that the terms are ridiculous for this type of position - a slap to the face of any professional pilot. Not sure if you got that.
Next, I mentioned that with world economies ebbing and flowing, unfortunately, pilots may have to take the long view and collect type ratings and experience that will serve them well throughout their careers. You have to weigh the costs and benefits. I know pilots at AF and LH who are not certain about their once-protected "careers" due to future economic uncertainty. Some are actually leaving aviation. I guess just because you want to be a pilot and you want to make 350,000 Euros per year you will actually get it - because you have control over the situation. You live in a dream world. The old legacy careers are in jeopardy and you can either be proactive about your career (if you want to remain a professional pilot) or you can be reactive.
I am not advocating that anyone take a job with Ethiopian. I am suggesting that you need to weigh the potential positives and the potential negatives - especially if you are jobless or about to be furloughed. Of course you can pass on the job with Ethiopian, but we all know someone else will take it. That is, unfortunately, the nature of the airline business these days. Not good for any professional pilot - especially those who amass debt to pay for their own training and ratings.
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Strontium - Do you seriously expect this attitude to be accepted. Check out the Airbus and Boeing long term forecasts for pilots and you will find that the airline you manage will very shortly get what it deserves. I'm out of work in November but I'd get a job in a fast food joint before coming to work for you and yours!
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what an attitude .. i think I've seen this already ..
Hahaha, 8 years in 
Ryanair and yes, I had exactly the same feeling when i read the post from Strontium. Pathetic. I was considering this deal but now i would not go even if they would pay me during training. Forget it !!
Ryanair and yes, I had exactly the same feeling when i read the post from Strontium. Pathetic. I was considering this deal but now i would not go even if they would pay me during training. Forget it !!
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I can see they are still looking for B777 rated Cpts.
Anybody there who can give an update about how the situation is in there?
Did it get any better from how it was some time ago?
Anybody there who can give an update about how the situation is in there?
Did it get any better from how it was some time ago?
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Ethiopia has an airline ? They are proud? Of what exactly? Something must be wrong. And they don't pay you while on training...ah ah ah!! What looser or substandard idiot would accept that ? Strontium..as an half italian..beside the metal do you know what you nick means in my father language? It sure sounds appropriate.
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Still hoping a current 777 expat capt can give me a headsup on the situation with Ethiopian and living in Addis today. Like how you rate life at Ethiopian on a scale from 1 to 10. Really would appreciate your feedback, preferably by email.
Thanks to anyone who cares to help me out here
Thanks to anyone who cares to help me out here
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VERY VERY WELL STATED STRONTIUM!!
Big S.
I want to highly congratulate you on having the guts to say it like it is.Addis is AFRICA, which must be put in context (except perhaps Sough Africa).Ethiopian NEVER FORCE ANYONE TO GO THERE, this is a personal pilot decision to keep income rolling in to say, feed a family.I worked there for a few years on the 767 and was always paid on time sometimes $15000 usd a month, like clockwork.
I worked extremely extremely hard flying-wise but I absolutely love this as I became a pilot because I love the sensation to of flying so much, its such a priviledge.Its just awesome.The training, inspite of my being a 757/767 TRE with nearly 20,000 hours and 13000 hours on type, was not easy.They have many many difficult destinations and if it were up to me I would make sure the PIC can handle them with ease.Bravo Sir.
I want to highly congratulate you on having the guts to say it like it is.Addis is AFRICA, which must be put in context (except perhaps Sough Africa).Ethiopian NEVER FORCE ANYONE TO GO THERE, this is a personal pilot decision to keep income rolling in to say, feed a family.I worked there for a few years on the 767 and was always paid on time sometimes $15000 usd a month, like clockwork.
I worked extremely extremely hard flying-wise but I absolutely love this as I became a pilot because I love the sensation to of flying so much, its such a priviledge.Its just awesome.The training, inspite of my being a 757/767 TRE with nearly 20,000 hours and 13000 hours on type, was not easy.They have many many difficult destinations and if it were up to me I would make sure the PIC can handle them with ease.Bravo Sir.
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No worries piratepete,cucuotto has obvious issues...maybe hit on the head too often when a kiddo..or maybe still, and no one wonders why he loves to insult behind the comfort of a computer.
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Sorry De Facto,
You are 100% correct regarding cucuoto, reminds of that famous Airbus saying "retard".....very low form of wit.Ethiopian isnt the best airline, but which one is? You name one and I will gave you dozens of examples of their stupidity including the always gloating QANTAS.I have been to Asean flight safety meetings when the Qantas Chief Pilot asked for the recording equipment to be switched off.I was bewitched, saddened and highly shocked by what I heard next from EVERY MAJOR AIRLINE SAFETY CHIEF in Asia.......
Ethiopians main drawback is its isolation, its SOPs are 1970s-style.Terrible.Apart from that they have a very high standard indeed, I was impressed while I was there, and im not easily impressed.Pete.
You are 100% correct regarding cucuoto, reminds of that famous Airbus saying "retard".....very low form of wit.Ethiopian isnt the best airline, but which one is? You name one and I will gave you dozens of examples of their stupidity including the always gloating QANTAS.I have been to Asean flight safety meetings when the Qantas Chief Pilot asked for the recording equipment to be switched off.I was bewitched, saddened and highly shocked by what I heard next from EVERY MAJOR AIRLINE SAFETY CHIEF in Asia.......
Ethiopians main drawback is its isolation, its SOPs are 1970s-style.Terrible.Apart from that they have a very high standard indeed, I was impressed while I was there, and im not easily impressed.Pete.
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I am thinking there are not too many tripple expats currently active on this forum, as the response to my querries have been a resounding zero!
Wasting my time here I guess.
Good luck to all
Wasting my time here I guess.
Good luck to all
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I have a 777 CA friend just joining.
He is happy with the stress free Sims.
There is some clause about not being paid during training...but getting the pay for training once checked to the line, which is only 4 line flights if you are 777 experienced.
I believe ET is a fair outfit. They have been used in the past by pilots just getting current and leaving immediately.
so perhaps their terms are understandable.
They have introduced a policy of taking 1600usd a month from your first 6 salaries (10k), which they pay back to you on your 3rd anniversary. Essentially a guaranteed training bond to prevent them losing money on training people who leave soon after. Most airlines do this. Emirates holds you to the grind stone for five years now! So in my opinion ET is just protecting their investment.
I hear the long term guys find their groove. I don't think you can complain about a fair job these days. I'd take it.
He is happy with the stress free Sims.
There is some clause about not being paid during training...but getting the pay for training once checked to the line, which is only 4 line flights if you are 777 experienced.
I believe ET is a fair outfit. They have been used in the past by pilots just getting current and leaving immediately.
so perhaps their terms are understandable.
They have introduced a policy of taking 1600usd a month from your first 6 salaries (10k), which they pay back to you on your 3rd anniversary. Essentially a guaranteed training bond to prevent them losing money on training people who leave soon after. Most airlines do this. Emirates holds you to the grind stone for five years now! So in my opinion ET is just protecting their investment.
I hear the long term guys find their groove. I don't think you can complain about a fair job these days. I'd take it.
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People are desperate to leave from everywhere. Every thread you find in this forum shows pilots willing to leave.
Ethiopian is for sure not the best place on earth, but the company is stable, reliable, the pay is always on time. There is the training issue caused by many of us who came there just to renew the licences. After all, many airlines have a bond even for rated pilots. Eth doesn't, and anyway they will pay all the money from the beginning of your contract but at the end of the line training.
The salary is low. Yes it's true, for several reason, mainly political. but it has been increased over the years as well as the commuting roster. It's a true 20/10 or 25/12 with 100% free business class seat to and from your destination of choice.
The working environment is very nice, not at all the pressure you find in the gulf. No call in the office if you rotate at 3.5 degrees per second instead of 3.2 or if you forget your hat at home, And let me say, this is a plus.
The issue with copilots is real, especially on 737 and Q400 (entry aircraft). They do MPL training and get the right seat after only 70 hrs of real flying, you cannot expect anything different until they got some experience.
Addis is one of the ugliest and most polluted city in the world but is extremely safe and still cheap (except house renting), but you will stay there for 5-6 days a month, being in flight for most of the time.
Since a lot of aircraft are coming in the coming years They will probably have to increase the package or they will struggle to find enough pilots but until then, It could still be a good alternative place to work without the need to move your family with you.
Ah last but not least, No stupid tricky test during assessment, interview, Documents check, Sim check and medical, that's i think another bonus.
Ethiopian is for sure not the best place on earth, but the company is stable, reliable, the pay is always on time. There is the training issue caused by many of us who came there just to renew the licences. After all, many airlines have a bond even for rated pilots. Eth doesn't, and anyway they will pay all the money from the beginning of your contract but at the end of the line training.
The salary is low. Yes it's true, for several reason, mainly political. but it has been increased over the years as well as the commuting roster. It's a true 20/10 or 25/12 with 100% free business class seat to and from your destination of choice.
The working environment is very nice, not at all the pressure you find in the gulf. No call in the office if you rotate at 3.5 degrees per second instead of 3.2 or if you forget your hat at home, And let me say, this is a plus.
The issue with copilots is real, especially on 737 and Q400 (entry aircraft). They do MPL training and get the right seat after only 70 hrs of real flying, you cannot expect anything different until they got some experience.
Addis is one of the ugliest and most polluted city in the world but is extremely safe and still cheap (except house renting), but you will stay there for 5-6 days a month, being in flight for most of the time.
Since a lot of aircraft are coming in the coming years They will probably have to increase the package or they will struggle to find enough pilots but until then, It could still be a good alternative place to work without the need to move your family with you.
Ah last but not least, No stupid tricky test during assessment, interview, Documents check, Sim check and medical, that's i think another bonus.
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Sorry to disappoint you but I was the one hitting not being hit. And that is why I'm appalled. The pay is , the terms even worse the operation sloppy the city a dump...and you try to sell this as a good option... unbelievable. I specially like the part about no stress in the SIM...ah ah ah !!! Be sure I'll never put one feet on board an Ethiopian airplane as a passenger imagine working there...
, the terms even worse the operation sloppy the city a dump...and you try to sell this as a good option... unbelievable. I specially like the part about no stress in the SIM...ah ah ah !!! Be sure I'll never put one feet on board an Ethiopian airplane as a passenger imagine working there...