Swiss discrimination or it's everywhere??

[hetfield]

he hated the swiss germans.He liked Lausanne and Geneva.

Congrats, Hate is his solution.

[MachineMan]

Haha, a 37-year-old grown man with the attitude and the language skills of someone attending kindergarten.
And why exactly, dear usualguy, should someone trust you with anything more complex/expensive than a tricycle? Please elaborate, I'm genuinely interested and will also make a serious effort to understand your incoherent waffle.

[papazulu]

a 37-year-old grown man with the attitude and the language skills of someone attending kindergarten.

Not just that. Check the Nordic Forum, Air Baltic's tread: he claims he has been SELECTED for the A320-fleet. Totally irrelevant that BT doesn't operate the type...

This guy is either mentally disturbed or just a wind-up with lot of time in his hands. People seriously interested in a career in aviation should just ignore him and his rants.

[TOGA 10]

to rbaiapinto: I wasn't referring to TAP, I had this experience with an other company operating EMB-145. But I eventually got a job with an other portuguese operator and I still have a lot of portuguese friends even after I left. A bunch of very good guys!!!

to spoon84: guarda che sono ticinese anch'io ma non ho nessun problema con i nostri colleghi d'otralpe... se il tuo unico problema è la lingua perché non ti fai un bel soggiorno all'estero e ti fai sto benedetto b2? Poi guarda che il tedesco è richiesto da quando è la lufthansa a dettar legge. Prima era si richiesto, ma a livello colloquiale, e veniva valutato durante l'interview e non c'era bisogno di nessun certificato linguistico.

to usualguy: if you hate this country so much and Swiss/Swissair why did you apply the first place.
I also missed by few month the Lufthansa 32 age requirement, but I don't call them a bunch of racist...

to papazulu: la frase: "mi dispiace, vorrei proprio tenerti in considerazione visto che possiedi il type rating giusto e parli la lingua, ma il nostro sindacato vuole solo piloti italiani.." me la sono sentita dire dall'allora capo flotta ali-express ATR... Però è vero, in Italia ci sono un mucchio di piloti di altre nazionalità e non è certo facile trovare un lavoro... Però guarda che è cosi anche da noi in Svizzera, e mi capita di volare con piacere con qualche collega italiano (almeno non devo parlare tedesco per una volta). Quindi non chiamarmi ballista, ok

I don't agree with some of the requirements Swiss is asking, but it's everyone choice to make his own rules, and It's thier own fault if they can't find enough people to fly their aircraft. But calling swiss people racist isn't really fair.

Ciao a tutti and fair winds to all of you!

[papazulu]

I can not recall how many times I had to listen at the phone phrases like: "I'm sorry, but despite the fact you have the right rating and you speak the local language we can't hire you because our union dosn't want foreign pilots".... That happend when I applied in "civilized" countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain, ...

I did not call you a liar. The above sounds like there is NO WAY you can get a job in Italy if you cannot speak the language to a native level or you are a foreign. This is simply not the case because with most operators there is hardly a union to refer to (unless you are flying or want to fly for Alitalia and its likes, as you unfortunately witnessed) or because they are happy to hire expats either using contractors or directly provided they have the right experience. The way you put meant you got rejected every other day by unions. Hope it is clearer now.

Having said that I have no problems admitting that this industry in the Belpaese is a royal

[TOGA 10]

I'm sorry PZ. You're right. You didn't call me liar. You just said is rubbish what I'm saying. In fact you're technically correct

No hard feelings. Just don't like the fact that when somethings happens in Switzerland we're racist. When the same happens elsewhere is just normal...

Ciao.

[xxxpil]

What SWISS stands for?

So What Is Still Swissair?!?!?!?

[His dudeness]

So only Germans can become Swiss pilots? Wow.

And then there is the usual IDIOT coming along with 'Uber Alles'.

This thread must be the newest entry in the 'most bull**** in a short time' contest...

[flydive1]

No need to be German.

But being of German mother tongue sure helps a lot, as it has always been(read Swissair/Crossair)

[INNflight]

You need German for Lufthansa

You need German for Austrian

You need French for Air France

You need Italian for Alitalia

You need Greek for Aegean

You need Polish for LOT.


If you don't speak German, you won't fly Swiss. What's the +#~&$ problem?!

[flydive1]

If you don't speak German, you won't fly Swiss. What's the +#~&$ problem?!

Maybe the fact that Switzerland( unlike Germany, France, Greece,etc). is a 3(4) official languages country?

And all language regions helped(money) save Swiss?

[xxxpil]

Here in Tap we have belgium, spanish and an italian pilot, but they all speek portuguese.

[The African Dude]

flydive1,

In that case, maybe they should ask for fluency in all three languages, maybe even Romansch as well?

Then who will be complaining?

Maybe they are all important, but German is the most widely-spoken language in Switzerland.

[gentleman]

hello,

Swiss survived because they took Crossair. Without Crossair and the swiss money, SWISS wouldn't exist

100% of swiss advertisings are published with age requirment and most are limited at 40 yo.Just take any swiss newspaper, it' s all "max 39", "max 29",...

[flydive1]

flydive1,

In that case, maybe they should ask for fluency in all three languages, maybe even Romansch as well?

Then who will be complaining?

Maybe they are all important, but German is the most widely-spoken language in Switzerland.

Maybe they should just require English.

Without excluding 30% of the population, or requiring them to be fluent in a third language

I did not hear them complain when they got part of the money that saved them from the non German speaking part of the population.

[captplaystation]

Tedious tedious tedious, when inhabitants of European countries that can't just choose one language start to get uppity about the ones who speak the other one. Incredible really, for example, the animosity between Walloon/Flamand in a tiny country like Belgium , the 3 divisions in Suisse, & indeed the knumbskulls in Spain where I am living that cannot read what it says on their passport & insist they are Catalan when asked their nationality.
Being Scottish I have long ago got my head around the fact that I am a citizen of the United Kingdom, yes I will state I am not English if asked, but never query my nationality as British, jeez, you should be able to read what is on the cover of your passport at least.
I reckon if you live in a country where there are more than 1 official languages & choose not to learn one of them, you cannot complain if discriminated against by the "other side".
People, regretably, get a bit sensitive about these things & side with their "own".
The solution perhaps is to open your mind & your eyes & see beyond the boundaries/frontiers. The most relevant of those are in your own mind, not drawn on a map. If you are so preoccupied with some inter-swiss divide, how much of the big world outside are you appreciating/partaking of.
A bit sad & small minded IMHO.

[The African Dude]

I'm sorry flydive1, but captplaystation is correct. What language do you speak? French? Italian? What if Swiss changed the criteria to only that language? Would you then complain that they were not giving the German-speakers enough of a fair chance?

You also seem to forget that Swiss is owned by a German company. It is not a nationalised airline any more, it is a private company and they can hire whoever they wish with whatever language skills they choose. You are not owed an interview with them just because you are Swiss.

[flydive1]

Dear Captplaystation and African Dude, I speak Italian, French, German, English and Spanish, lived and worked for periods of time in Europe, Middle East and North America and I never applied to Swiss.
Yes, I can read the cover of my passport, which is written in 5 languages, by the way.
If you consider me a a sad and small minded person because I do not like useless discrimination, well so be it.

If Swiss changed their requirement to Italian or French I would complain about it too.

Yes, Swiss is now owned by Lufthansa, but that discrimination was always in place even before the take over.
Yes, is a private company, but they did not have any problem to ask for state help and money to survive, money that came from all regions of Switzerland, at that time they did not have any problem at selling themselves as "THE SWISS AIRLINE", and they sure not asked for only "German Francs"

Best regards, your tedious, sad and small minded friend

[The African Dude]

Swiss either have to ask for all languages or a selection of them. What is it that you want precisely?

This is how it sounds from what you have written: it sounds like you're annoyed that you personally funded them with non-German Swiss Francs (which by the way are identical to the German variety) in the belief that in doing so Swiss would come to a moral epiphany based only on your understanding of the term discrimination. Or have we all misunderstood you? What is it that you actually want?

[flydive1]

Swiss either have to ask for all languages or a selection of them

Or none of them, just English as all the pilot would have to speak it anyway and it would not create any discrimination.

I do not want anything, just find that discriminating 1/3 of the population is wrong.
I do not feel I'm owned an interview with them and I never applied and never will(just not interested in airline flying), so the thing does not touch me personally.

I did not fund them personally, but through my tax, and I sure did not do it expecting them to change their policy.
(thanks for pointing out that the German Swiss francs are identical to the non German one, you learn something new everyday).

Again, I find the discrimination policy of Swiss(Swissair) wrong and just expressing my opinion here as you are expressing yours, as is customary on forums.

You like discrimination based on language or other, I don't, just different points of view.

I won't change your opinion and you won't change mine(and I won't change Swiss policy)