FlyNiki salary
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From: abooooo
FlyNiki salary
hey guys,
does anyone know about the salary of flyniki? i'm a ready entry cpl(ir) atpl credit mcc.
read on pilotjobsnetwork that it's only 1500euro?
so as much as a cleaning lady would earn.....
what is about allowences.
would be nice if someone could answer it.
does anyone know about the salary of flyniki? i'm a ready entry cpl(ir) atpl credit mcc.
read on pilotjobsnetwork that it's only 1500euro?
so as much as a cleaning lady would earn.....what is about allowences.
would be nice if someone could answer it.
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From: Europe
You have zero experience, you have never landed an A320 and you already start crying about your salary. That's the mentality I love!
You might just be happy to be able to start on a A320 or E190 in a European company. Things could be worse.
And if it's not good enough for you, why not try LH?
Good luck with your career, I hope you'll never be my co-pilot.
You might just be happy to be able to start on a A320 or E190 in a European company. Things could be worse.
And if it's not good enough for you, why not try LH?
Good luck with your career, I hope you'll never be my co-pilot.
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From: UK
Liftdumper
What a miserable reply you gave to someone who most probably has just spent tens of thousands of euros earning a commercial rating whilst not earning a cent for a year. Now you bregrudge him asking about the salary and conditions he may now earn. he deserves better replies than you gave him.
I bet when he gets a job he will pray that he doesn't get to fly with you as a Captain.
What a miserable reply you gave to someone who most probably has just spent tens of thousands of euros earning a commercial rating whilst not earning a cent for a year. Now you bregrudge him asking about the salary and conditions he may now earn. he deserves better replies than you gave him.
I bet when he gets a job he will pray that he doesn't get to fly with you as a Captain.
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From: abooooo
@t21 thats exactly what i thought.
@liftdumper
so what to do if youre in a situation where you have to pay your bills.(credit for the atpl).
sure i would be glad to fly the embraer but not at any price.
@liftdumper
so what to do if youre in a situation where you have to pay your bills.(credit for the atpl).
sure i would be glad to fly the embraer but not at any price.
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From: Switzerland
I agree, T21.
Liftdumper, you think 1500 EUR a month is enough money to fly a jet in Europe?
That attitude you express is disgusting, so we have to be grateful that we, trained professionals are given the awesome opportunity of flying a Jet so we must shut up and take whatever they give us? No wonder the T's and C's have been eroded so far.
Liftdumper, you think 1500 EUR a month is enough money to fly a jet in Europe?
That attitude you express is disgusting, so we have to be grateful that we, trained professionals are given the awesome opportunity of flying a Jet so we must shut up and take whatever they give us? No wonder the T's and C's have been eroded so far.
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From: abooooo
thanks for your support
i dont know how those pilot imagine to live with this money.
i have to pay my credit, my flat ( especially in vienna very expensive), my car and i need something to eat.
stop prostitute yourself
i dont know how those pilot imagine to live with this money.
i have to pay my credit, my flat ( especially in vienna very expensive), my car and i need something to eat.
stop prostitute yourself
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From: NornIron
Non Pilot response to this
"You have zero experience" - wrong. I suspect this young person has flown 200+ hours (probably more)
"you have never landed an A320 and you already start crying about your salary" - correct but irrelevent, "crying" - wrong - just asking a question
The rest .....words fail me.
Benole ... I have no idea what this person's problem is but just ignore it.
"You have zero experience" - wrong. I suspect this young person has flown 200+ hours (probably more)
"you have never landed an A320 and you already start crying about your salary" - correct but irrelevent, "crying" - wrong - just asking a question
The rest .....words fail me.
Benole ... I have no idea what this person's problem is but just ignore it.
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From: I wouldn't know.
And remember, flyniki does not employ any pilots at all (apart from Niki Lauda). It simply rents them from an employment agency in luxembourg which will lead to a very interesting case if niki will ever be integrated into air berlin.
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From: Europe
Doing your training and starting to complain about T&C's after obtaining your frozen ATPL is just naive.
This is like it is today, so accept it, do 1500 hrs with FlyNiki and look for something better, or don't accept it and stay at home, waiting for a better position.
And in your position, with very little experience, you should accept it when you can start flying an A320. Just my opinion.
If you don't take the job, someone else will. Because remember: there is never a lack of pilots with a frozen ATPL and 185 hrs.
This is like it is today, so accept it, do 1500 hrs with FlyNiki and look for something better, or don't accept it and stay at home, waiting for a better position.
And in your position, with very little experience, you should accept it when you can start flying an A320. Just my opinion.
If you don't take the job, someone else will. Because remember: there is never a lack of pilots with a frozen ATPL and 185 hrs.
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From: Grrrr
Liftdumper, you fail to see the wider consequences of your incredibly arrogant attitude towards a new-joiner. The less they can get away with paying for entry-level, the higher the pressure will become further up the chain. Sending manure down the chain won't protect you from what comes from above you.
As a sidenote, I speculate Benole is happy that he won't fly with you either given your attitude.
As a sidenote, I speculate Benole is happy that he won't fly with you either given your attitude.
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From: Europe
Yes, I DO see the consequences.
But does that mean a new joiner is in a better position, sitting at home, waiting for a better job? He'll be waiting very long.
So tell me, where can someone make a start on a 320 in Europe with, let's say, 2500 euro's net a month in the first year, leaving out the flagcarriers.
Tell me!
But does that mean a new joiner is in a better position, sitting at home, waiting for a better job? He'll be waiting very long.
So tell me, where can someone make a start on a 320 in Europe with, let's say, 2500 euro's net a month in the first year, leaving out the flagcarriers.
Tell me!
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From: abooooo
liftdumper
but this couldnt be the sense to get 1500 hours and then to change the company....
im a very loyal thinking person...im not a mercenary.
of course i want to get my hours and accept almost every job.
nevertheless this would be my last opportunity and option.
to your attitude: do you offend every young pilot like this? very poor and not very applicable for a cockpit-position not to speak of your apparent position as a captain.
but this couldnt be the sense to get 1500 hours and then to change the company....
im a very loyal thinking person...im not a mercenary.
of course i want to get my hours and accept almost every job.
nevertheless this would be my last opportunity and option.
to your attitude: do you offend every young pilot like this? very poor and not very applicable for a cockpit-position not to speak of your apparent position as a captain.
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I think the point that is trying to be made here is that a CPL/IR and basic hours and paperwork isn't really "airline pilot" qualification, it is "apprentice" or "cadet" level opportunity at best.
Generally and historically this type of opportunity and the appropriate and variable entry levels, would have sought a minimum experience of 2000 hours and significant turbine experience.
A few people seem to forget that "cadet" level entry is a whole different ball game. Part of the reason such schemes exist, is that they are cost effective for the companies who operate them. They are intended to be apprenticeship level opportunities.
Ask a junior lawyer or barrister if they lived "hand to mouth" during their apprenticeship during the early years, and you will likely get a similar response. Many of them are probably worse off than the cleaners their firms employ as well.
If you expect established rates of remuneration, then the airline would expect established rates of experience and time served. Many of these opportunities may remunerate very badly in comparison to their own and other established salary scales, but the reasons need to be understood.
Take the individual who is flying an airliner full time, building his experience, having his medicals and annual licence renewals carried out, and being on the road to a (hopefully) full time career. Compare that with the similar individual who hasn't got the same opportunity. Whose licenses have lapsed, who cannot afford to renew them. Whose learned skills are perishing with neglect. Who isn't buliding any experience at all, and is seeing that same investment disappear down the toilet.
These entry level cadet opportunities may be very difficult for the first couple of years, but they are opportunities. Discard them as you wish, but take careful stock of just how rare these opportunities are, and what the options are realistically likely to be.
Generally and historically this type of opportunity and the appropriate and variable entry levels, would have sought a minimum experience of 2000 hours and significant turbine experience.
A few people seem to forget that "cadet" level entry is a whole different ball game. Part of the reason such schemes exist, is that they are cost effective for the companies who operate them. They are intended to be apprenticeship level opportunities.
Ask a junior lawyer or barrister if they lived "hand to mouth" during their apprenticeship during the early years, and you will likely get a similar response. Many of them are probably worse off than the cleaners their firms employ as well.
If you expect established rates of remuneration, then the airline would expect established rates of experience and time served. Many of these opportunities may remunerate very badly in comparison to their own and other established salary scales, but the reasons need to be understood.
Take the individual who is flying an airliner full time, building his experience, having his medicals and annual licence renewals carried out, and being on the road to a (hopefully) full time career. Compare that with the similar individual who hasn't got the same opportunity. Whose licenses have lapsed, who cannot afford to renew them. Whose learned skills are perishing with neglect. Who isn't buliding any experience at all, and is seeing that same investment disappear down the toilet.
These entry level cadet opportunities may be very difficult for the first couple of years, but they are opportunities. Discard them as you wish, but take careful stock of just how rare these opportunities are, and what the options are realistically likely to be.
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From: LH Group
hey benole, have a closer look at the payment details published on pilotjobsnetwork. 1631€ is the basic salary, you will get aditional duty pay for every hour flown:
1-70hrs: E 16,31
71-90hrs: E 32,63
91hrs+: E 65,25
in summer months you will end up with around 3500€ before taxes. also note that you will get the basic salary 14 times a year (12 times + [urlaubsgeld & weihnachtsgeld -> very low taxes])
Do you have a car? You'll be able to rent one of those Niki Smarts or Minis for around 100€/month inkl. insurance.
Aditionally there is the posibility to get standby tickets with Air Berlin.
I just wonder if you have applied within the last week? was there any response from flyniki?
I'm flying for another austrian carrier (~1000TT in my Logbook) and I've sent my CV last week ... well the salary (especially for new FOs) isn't that great, but it would be a chance to go back to the city I was born (and where my girlfiriend lives
)
let's cross our fingers
PS: please keep me up to date if you should get any response from vienna, as they are mainly taking 200h guys fresh from the school. I think with my 1000h airline operation I'm way too experienced
1-70hrs: E 16,31
71-90hrs: E 32,63
91hrs+: E 65,25
in summer months you will end up with around 3500€ before taxes. also note that you will get the basic salary 14 times a year (12 times + [urlaubsgeld & weihnachtsgeld -> very low taxes])
Do you have a car? You'll be able to rent one of those Niki Smarts or Minis for around 100€/month inkl. insurance.
Aditionally there is the posibility to get standby tickets with Air Berlin.
I just wonder if you have applied within the last week? was there any response from flyniki?
I'm flying for another austrian carrier (~1000TT in my Logbook) and I've sent my CV last week ... well the salary (especially for new FOs) isn't that great, but it would be a chance to go back to the city I was born (and where my girlfiriend lives
) let's cross our fingers
PS: please keep me up to date if you should get any response from vienna, as they are mainly taking 200h guys fresh from the school. I think with my 1000h airline operation I'm way too experienced
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Woow!!!
3500 E before tax in Austria after flying over 100 hrs/month in Vienna...
That means about 2400E after taxes on high season and flying more that a bird does.
How much shall you expect during winter?
How much does a Cpt. make? Do they have to polish Mr. Lauda's shoes too?
3500 E before tax in Austria after flying over 100 hrs/month in Vienna...
That means about 2400E after taxes on high season and flying more that a bird does.
How much shall you expect during winter?
How much does a Cpt. make? Do they have to polish Mr. Lauda's shoes too?
