A320 or B737 ?
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I have flown all the current Boeings (except B777) and they are a superb product. However I have long been frustrated by the company appearing to loose all impetus to Airbus ... any aviation magazine will have pages of Airbus orders while Boeing are languishing in delays on what will be a very good A/C when released, and reruns of 1960's models. (again B777 excepted, which is cutting edge)
If I was a young player again I would go for Airbus, mainly for their orderbook and almost complete commonality with their larger types.
When I entered the commercial world 17 years ago type ratings were supported by a bond ... so I have never had to pay for a rating. I do however see myself as very fortunate, and that would likely not be the case were I to be entering the industry now. P2F is definitely "subtracting the Michael", but that appears the only option for people to get started .. so maybe we should cut them some slack ?
Good Luck ..
If I was a young player again I would go for Airbus, mainly for their orderbook and almost complete commonality with their larger types.
When I entered the commercial world 17 years ago type ratings were supported by a bond ... so I have never had to pay for a rating. I do however see myself as very fortunate, and that would likely not be the case were I to be entering the industry now. P2F is definitely "subtracting the Michael", but that appears the only option for people to get started .. so maybe we should cut them some slack ?
Good Luck ..
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CL65Driver1234,
Don't know where you get your info from, but transition from 737 to 777 is just a little more than 3 sim sessions.
Perhaps you mean A320 to A330, which I could well understand.
I stand to be corrected however, in which case I look forward to my 777 command very soon
Don't know where you get your info from, but transition from 737 to 777 is just a little more than 3 sim sessions.
Perhaps you mean A320 to A330, which I could well understand.
I stand to be corrected however, in which case I look forward to my 777 command very soon
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target asia in 5-10 years, but you will be 52.
target asia now, and they will tell you "no expat".
come back to EU with no money and no job, and start towork as a waitress in a bar at 1000 euro/month.
what do you think you are???if it was so easy, everybody would buy a 320 rating and fly in asia!
you see guys, all these middle age men want play the pilot, and have no idea, it s all "me me me", ...they all think with a type rating, airlines will employ them, with or without line hours.
another middle age schmuck I know bought 500h in a EU airline,what a moron, the guy all excited: "OH i hope they hire me with my 500 hours"... the guy had to leave his place for another P2F punk! now he is jobless!!!
can not belive the OP is 42....
dont believe the crap here, most guys who tell you to go for it, are still jobless, but give advice to everybody else, when they are themselves a total failure!!!
it s patetic!
target asia now, and they will tell you "no expat".
come back to EU with no money and no job, and start towork as a waitress in a bar at 1000 euro/month.
what do you think you are???if it was so easy, everybody would buy a 320 rating and fly in asia!
you see guys, all these middle age men want play the pilot, and have no idea, it s all "me me me", ...they all think with a type rating, airlines will employ them, with or without line hours.
another middle age schmuck I know bought 500h in a EU airline,what a moron, the guy all excited: "OH i hope they hire me with my 500 hours"... the guy had to leave his place for another P2F punk! now he is jobless!!!
can not belive the OP is 42....
dont believe the crap here, most guys who tell you to go for it, are still jobless, but give advice to everybody else, when they are themselves a total failure!!!
it s patetic!
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737 vs A320
The A320 rating will give you access to every airline operating the 318/319/320/321. If you go the boeing route, you will still have to choose between NG and classic, as there is still a fair amount of those flying in SE Asia.
The points made in other threads about your low hours to age ratio and the 500 hours on type have some validity, however I can assure you first hand there are airlines recruiting type rated people with similar profile to yours with no hours on type.
Your plan could be a solution to a quick career fix, the region is booming, and you could be in command of a new shiny jet within no time.
At the end of the day, it is down to you having the confidence to invest in a type rating. I know I did it a few years back and it paid of.
The points made in other threads about your low hours to age ratio and the 500 hours on type have some validity, however I can assure you first hand there are airlines recruiting type rated people with similar profile to yours with no hours on type.
Your plan could be a solution to a quick career fix, the region is booming, and you could be in command of a new shiny jet within no time.
At the end of the day, it is down to you having the confidence to invest in a type rating. I know I did it a few years back and it paid of.
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The microlight was sure a lot of fun, and I felt on top of the world as a first flying job (paid one, I mean). But this business is scary and microlights are underpowered, sluggish on the controls, and far from reliable with Rotax 582 engines (2 stroke).
It was an investment like any other, I had a decent salary, and could afford an FAA training for CPL Multi IR within a year. I made much less money a year later flying a BN2 Islander in the Congo...
There is a difference between an investment and flying for a sandwich, but some Narrow...Minded people have a hard time seeing it. Maybe they would care to explain what they were doing in a low cost if not to get the experience at the expense of better conditions?
If I had to do it again, I'd go fly microlights to fund my flight training again. Thank to this opportunity, I started with zero debt, so moving onto the next job was made a bit smoother I guess.
It was an investment like any other, I had a decent salary, and could afford an FAA training for CPL Multi IR within a year. I made much less money a year later flying a BN2 Islander in the Congo...
There is a difference between an investment and flying for a sandwich, but some Narrow...Minded people have a hard time seeing it. Maybe they would care to explain what they were doing in a low cost if not to get the experience at the expense of better conditions?
If I had to do it again, I'd go fly microlights to fund my flight training again. Thank to this opportunity, I started with zero debt, so moving onto the next job was made a bit smoother I guess.
B737 gets you Indonesia IF you can work there as an Israeli. Also some Chinese airlines such as Xiamen and Shenzhen.
A320 is India, Singapore, Vietnam, China, Malaysia, Macau, Hong Kong, Philippines.
Probably leans more towards the Airbus in this part of the world especially if you have to cross Indonesia off your list.
A320 is India, Singapore, Vietnam, China, Malaysia, Macau, Hong Kong, Philippines.
Probably leans more towards the Airbus in this part of the world especially if you have to cross Indonesia off your list.
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Flex,
I now understand that you mustn't be able to read too well....
....In the Wizz thread, I commented that I was under threat of redundancy at Virgin and that is why I joined Wizz.
Additionally, at the same time, Wizz gave me a DEC, based on experience - so I don't think I contributed to undermining any terms and conditions, especially given that I was type rated with 2000+ on type in my logbook, plus many other hours on Boeings and Airbuses.
Would I have joined as an FO? NO!! Would I have paid for a rating in order to join in either seat? NO!!
Anyway, back to topic:
If someone must pay for a rating, I'd go A320......even though I would never do it!!
I now understand that you mustn't be able to read too well....
....In the Wizz thread, I commented that I was under threat of redundancy at Virgin and that is why I joined Wizz.
Additionally, at the same time, Wizz gave me a DEC, based on experience - so I don't think I contributed to undermining any terms and conditions, especially given that I was type rated with 2000+ on type in my logbook, plus many other hours on Boeings and Airbuses.
Would I have joined as an FO? NO!! Would I have paid for a rating in order to join in either seat? NO!!
Anyway, back to topic:
If someone must pay for a rating, I'd go A320......even though I would never do it!!
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A320 every day of the week! Just look at the Paris Air Show orders and it's not difficult to see which aircraft will be dominating the short haul market in the not too distant future.
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Boeing has responded with new re-engined 737 (CFM Leap X).
I think Bombardier C Series orders will pick up once she flys - all new design v old 737 and A320s by then. Shame Boeing and Airbus have gone down the iterative change route. No more Concorde/S Shuttle but we have the re-engined 1960s designs!
I think Bombardier C Series orders will pick up once she flys - all new design v old 737 and A320s by then. Shame Boeing and Airbus have gone down the iterative change route. No more Concorde/S Shuttle but we have the re-engined 1960s designs!
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I know where you are coming from, but having had their fingers burned (read incinerated ! ) with the 787/ Dreamliner, Boeing were thinking that medium term, & finally, with a little more fuel efficiency , the FLUF is fine, so go for the cheap option(as indeed Airbus have done finally? with their similar "solution") Why not ? nobody has enough spare cash to re-invent the wheel at the moment.
Forgot to say, for 737/320 family rated guys, rejoice! it wil be
same airframe /same rating = less opportunity to be shafted by an accountant
Forgot to say, for 737/320 family rated guys, rejoice! it wil be
same airframe /same rating = less opportunity to be shafted by an accountant
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I assume you have Master degree in aeronautical aviation and know how to recover from inverted spin etc. otherwise it's gonna be waste of money 
Airbus getting to grips is not enough at that level
Airbus getting to grips is not enough at that level
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n77, nice one!
I am not sure a master's degree would be of much help in that very moment, more so the practice and the experience learned from people with more grey hair...I have done the inverted spin once in an aerobatics glider (ASH25 if I recall), with the help of the instructor...still trying to figure out how it all happened...
Anyway the NTPS course is very much about theory, lasts about a year, brings inside understanding. Testing is not about spinning in all directions, unless you be a test pilot for aerobatics.
I doubt any airliner would be doing inverted spins as part of their certification programmes..
Sorry, off topic...
Flex
I am not sure a master's degree would be of much help in that very moment, more so the practice and the experience learned from people with more grey hair...I have done the inverted spin once in an aerobatics glider (ASH25 if I recall), with the help of the instructor...still trying to figure out how it all happened...
Anyway the NTPS course is very much about theory, lasts about a year, brings inside understanding. Testing is not about spinning in all directions, unless you be a test pilot for aerobatics.
I doubt any airliner would be doing inverted spins as part of their certification programmes..
Sorry, off topic...
Flex