Emirates now not tax free?!?!?!
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Emirates now not tax free?!?!?!
Looking on Pilots Jobs Network today it states from the 26th June that the salary in no longer tax free?
Any info on this from people just joined? I can honestly say that that 100% removes me from ever thinking about going there now, it was a stretch the live in the sand before but the package was ok and a fallback plan for me,,, now paying tax's on it whats the point?
Any info on this from people just joined? I can honestly say that that 100% removes me from ever thinking about going there now, it was a stretch the live in the sand before but the package was ok and a fallback plan for me,,, now paying tax's on it whats the point?
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Don't think there is any fire to this one. There certainly isn't any income tax in the UAE and no plans to introduce it- the government is well aware of the impact it would have. Not to say there aren't lots of hidden taxes but what you are paid is what you get. No deductions.
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Certainly hope not then, not that I am currently looking to go there but its always a possibility in the future,
for info though taken from the website,,,,, me wonders why it was updated like this so recently?
Capt top 16000 USD Basic (pay scale 30) NO tax free salary anymore - most countries (UK, Germany, Australia canceled their Double taxation agreements) 22/Jun/11
Capt base AED 34410 NO tax free salary anymore
22/Jun/11
FO top 30230 AED NO tax free salary anymore 22/Jun/11
FO base 25271 AED NO tax free salary anymore
for info though taken from the website,,,,, me wonders why it was updated like this so recently?
Capt top 16000 USD Basic (pay scale 30) NO tax free salary anymore - most countries (UK, Germany, Australia canceled their Double taxation agreements) 22/Jun/11
Capt base AED 34410 NO tax free salary anymore
22/Jun/11
FO top 30230 AED NO tax free salary anymore 22/Jun/11
FO base 25271 AED NO tax free salary anymore
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I believe there is a new 5% tax being introduced - I think it's called a housing tax or living tax.
Here it is:
International Adviser :: New 5% housing tax in UAE ‘will add to woes’ in Dubai
Here it is:
International Adviser :: New 5% housing tax in UAE ‘will add to woes’ in Dubai
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From the FlyDubai Thread...
The authorities in Dubai have decided that forms of taxation are a good idea, and along with the electricity and water charges from DEWA, have now introduced a Housing charge which equates to 5% of your rent. This is a considerable amount of money.
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Before this thread drifts and ends up in a Dubai Haters vs. Dubai Lovers fight, let's clarify a few things:
(1) The housing charge applies to those who rent in Dubai. If you work for EK and you're in Company accommodation it's no issue. However if you take the 'live-out' allowance (or join FlyDubai) then yes, you'll be eligible to pay the 5% charge.
(2) There is NO income tax, which seems to be the issue causing confusion.
Hope this helps. The effect of the the housing charge is softened slightly with the drop in rental costs - so providing you aim for a sensibly priced option and remember to include all CHARGES and BILLS in the equation then there should be no problem.
Do remember though if opting to take the live-out allowance then you have to be prepared for possible increases in utility costs and housing charges etc. Emirates clearly state you CAN NOT opt back in to Company housing at a later date... and at the moment electricity/water charges are rising sharply as reported in the papers.
(1) The housing charge applies to those who rent in Dubai. If you work for EK and you're in Company accommodation it's no issue. However if you take the 'live-out' allowance (or join FlyDubai) then yes, you'll be eligible to pay the 5% charge.
(2) There is NO income tax, which seems to be the issue causing confusion.
Hope this helps. The effect of the the housing charge is softened slightly with the drop in rental costs - so providing you aim for a sensibly priced option and remember to include all CHARGES and BILLS in the equation then there should be no problem.
Do remember though if opting to take the live-out allowance then you have to be prepared for possible increases in utility costs and housing charges etc. Emirates clearly state you CAN NOT opt back in to Company housing at a later date... and at the moment electricity/water charges are rising sharply as reported in the papers.
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Anyway, as a 'foreigner', you should be very careful to avoid tax traps of your country of origin...
Some countries (particularly the states) will start taxing your income once you start sending home sums exceeding the threshold (think it's $90k per year).
Something to definitely take into account unless you're emigrating for good (e.g. leaving Zimbabwe etc).
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Some countries (particularly the states) will start taxing your income once you start sending home sums exceeding the threshold (think it's $90k per year).
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The US Tax thing is correct... However I never understood why you have to pay tax to your home country when you don't benefit from it and don't live there?! Pay and don't get anything into return... Pay tax for a green card, no thank you!
BTW: this comes from a European citizen who used to pay more than 50% tax. At least we got good health care, free schooling etc in return!
In Dubai more than 10 years and nothing paying any direct income tax. Even today! Main reason to be here!
Yearly tax free salary without including schooling, accommodation, provident fund; $190.000 / 135.000€. That is for a training position and not including a recent 14 week ($30.000 / 20000€) bonus.
BTW: this comes from a European citizen who used to pay more than 50% tax. At least we got good health care, free schooling etc in return!
In Dubai more than 10 years and nothing paying any direct income tax. Even today! Main reason to be here!
Yearly tax free salary without including schooling, accommodation, provident fund; $190.000 / 135.000€. That is for a training position and not including a recent 14 week ($30.000 / 20000€) bonus.
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HPIC not true at all - is it?
..but if you lie about it, and get caught, you are subject to large fines and/or prison time
Let's ask Timothy Geithner about his non-payment of the self employment taxes while working for the IMF. Certainly no large fines nor any prison time; not even penalties.
Then there is Charlie Rangell; where does one start? Just to scrach the surface how about the Harlem apartments, Congressional parking/storage for his Benz and the rental income off his Dominican Villa? Large fines, threat of prison -no possible way!
Oh wait.....maybe I am wrong.....in the land of "equal justice for all". I get it if some pilot doesn't report then the heavy hand of the law comes down. But for the politically connected the same laws do not apply. The sand pit, the steamy humidity of the DRC or the air-conditioned marble halls of Washington DC, the largest debtor nation on the planet, the corruption, hypocrisy and decay is the same.
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Originally Posted by EK380
The US Tax thing is correct... However I never understood why you have to pay tax to your home country when you don't benefit from it and don't live there?! Pay and don't get anything into return... Pay tax for a green card, no thank you!
BTW: this comes from a European citizen who used to pay more than 50% tax. At least we got good health care, free schooling etc in return!
In Dubai more than 10 years and nothing paying any direct income tax. Even today! Main reason to be here!
Yearly tax free salary without including schooling, accommodation, provident fund; $190.000 / 135.000€. That is for a training position and not including a recent 14 week ($30.000 / 20000€) bonus.
BTW: this comes from a European citizen who used to pay more than 50% tax. At least we got good health care, free schooling etc in return!
In Dubai more than 10 years and nothing paying any direct income tax. Even today! Main reason to be here!
Yearly tax free salary without including schooling, accommodation, provident fund; $190.000 / 135.000€. That is for a training position and not including a recent 14 week ($30.000 / 20000€) bonus.
Green card? Well, that's a different issue, but one I am not qualified to comment on.
You don't think we get good healthcare in the US? Well, we may be a bit behind the times...but soon we will have ObamaCare....?
Nevermind, that's better left to another discussion.. Hope you're happy at EK...it's a move that I have considered, but I'm unsure whether it would be the best move for me personally. Far East carriers are some very interesting prospects as well.....but, I'm wondering...where do you get $190k a year? EK published pay rates that I have seen indicate the max is approximately two-thirds of that. Does the TRI position make up for the extra amount, is it overtime, etc??
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Originally Posted by Northbeach
Can not possibly be true, can it? Welcome to PPRuNE.
Let's ask Timothy Geithner about his non-payment of the self employment taxes while working for the IMF. Certainly no large fines nor any prison time; not even penalties.
Then there is Charlie Rangell; where does one start? Just to scrach the surface how about the Harlem apartments, Congressional parking/storage for his Benz and the rental income off his Dominican Villa? Large fines, threat of prison -no possible way!
Oh wait.....maybe I am wrong.....in the land of "equal justice for all". I get it if some pilot doesn't report then the heavy hand of the law comes down. But for the politically connected the same laws do not apply. The sand pit, the steamy humidity of the DRC or the air-conditioned marble halls of Washington DC, the largest debtor nation on the planet, the corruption, hypocrisy and decay is the same.
Then there is Charlie Rangell; where does one start? Just to scrach the surface how about the Harlem apartments, Congressional parking/storage for his Benz and the rental income off his Dominican Villa? Large fines, threat of prison -no possible way!
Oh wait.....maybe I am wrong.....in the land of "equal justice for all". I get it if some pilot doesn't report then the heavy hand of the law comes down. But for the politically connected the same laws do not apply. The sand pit, the steamy humidity of the DRC or the air-conditioned marble halls of Washington DC, the largest debtor nation on the planet, the corruption, hypocrisy and decay is the same.
Not interested in political debates....leave me out of it.
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how it goes with taxes (universally and ever since the firs tax ever)
They first start with small, tiny, symbolic, indirect taxes.
Then they progress and add not so tiny ones on with a variety of reasons for taxing, such as "housing"?
Then they come up with an "added value tax", to tax comsuming stuff. just like that.
Finally, they argue that indirect taxing is unfair for the lower wages, so they introduce income tax (without removing or reducing indiretc taxes).
This is what is going to happen there, sooner or later.
It is pretty much like the old "just the tip, just let me introduce the tip of 'it', my love... ". If she agrees, after the tip it comes the full length, that's for sure!
Then they progress and add not so tiny ones on with a variety of reasons for taxing, such as "housing"?
Then they come up with an "added value tax", to tax comsuming stuff. just like that.
Finally, they argue that indirect taxing is unfair for the lower wages, so they introduce income tax (without removing or reducing indiretc taxes).
This is what is going to happen there, sooner or later.
It is pretty much like the old "just the tip, just let me introduce the tip of 'it', my love... ". If she agrees, after the tip it comes the full length, that's for sure!
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WOW Microburst!
I never thought getting taxed could be so fun. I think i'll put this poster up in the bedroom now
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I never thought getting taxed could be so fun. I think i'll put this poster up in the bedroom now
نتيجة بحث Google عن الصور حول http://longdarkteatime.com/images/uncle_sam_taxes.jpg