Easyjet
eheh... and even a salary ? that's really a good deal ... lucky boys...
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You paid for your own rating, and no one would employ you.
You tried to pay for line training, but still no luck.
You tried every A320 operator, but nothing.
You then got accepted by eJ, and got into the holding pool.
You got a job, in Milan. You applied for Orly, and...
You got a transfer to Orly.
You then started on a full time negative campaign against the one organisation that provided you with your much needed career break. You continued, relentlessly - attacking anything you could (mostly citing "slavery").
Finally, with much relief from all concerned, you got a job elsewhere (you are no longer on the Orange pages).
Can you not see that actually easyJet did you a massive favour, and gave you the chance that no others did? Slagging eJ off even after you have left is not that clever.
Aviation is a small world,
never forget that.
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From: ex-DXB
You paid for your own rating, and no one would employ you.
You tried to pay for line training, but still no luck.
You tried every A320 operator, but nothing.
You then got accepted by eJ
You tried to pay for line training, but still no luck.
You tried every A320 operator, but nothing.
You then got accepted by eJ
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From: UK
Harsh - I don't know. True - well, I simply looked back at his posts on this very forum from the past. You can do it too, if you want; it's all there for anyone to read.
EDIT: Craggenmore, I was responding to your comment which stated that I was being harsh. I see now that you have changed that to something quite different.
EDIT: Craggenmore, I was responding to your comment which stated that I was being harsh. I see now that you have changed that to something quite different.
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From: UK
Craggen,
eJ's recruitment policy (2008 on) has come under much criticism from many people, including the army of people that have been excluded by it.
With luck we will soon see an easing back to the old policy.
eJ's recruitment policy (2008 on) has come under much criticism from many people, including the army of people that have been excluded by it.
With luck we will soon see an easing back to the old policy.
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
100% is painting it the way he or she sees it. I admire the objectivity and also join them in the desire to see EZs recruitment policy changed. I wish that there was a similar possibility with my lot!
Superced has been well summed up and really deserves little (certainly a lot lot less than he/or she believes to be owed). Off to find your utopia in the sandpit then? Bonne chance!!!!!
Superced has been well summed up and really deserves little (certainly a lot lot less than he/or she believes to be owed). Off to find your utopia in the sandpit then? Bonne chance!!!!!
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
Superced was representative of a small but vocal minority at easyJet who have hated every single company they have ever worked for. His recruitment by easyJet was an enormous error of judgement and I am absolutely delighted he has left to another company he will come to hate and despise too.
With the notable exception of the Berlin-based pilots, who have their own particular battle with the company that shows no signs of ending, you will find few pilots at easyJet these days who hate the company, including the ones who are leaving for BA. Quite understandably, as young men in their early twenties, they are attracted by the full career opportunities on offer there, and everyone wishes them well. Nonetheless, if you cannot fly for a national carrier from a young age, easyJet is a great place to be instead. The area we have most got wrong is the flexicrew issue and the lack of recruitment of experienced but non-rated pilots from the military, turboprop outfits etc. There are signs that will change by the end of the year, but the big unknown is how many pilots we will actually need. There has been growing resentment among the pilot workforce at the constant stream of many hundred 150-200 hour pilots through our doors. The lack of balance in that recruitment stream does us no favours and the sooner it changes the better.
As an aside, we have now offered permanent contracts to every 'suitable' flexicrew pilot who has worked more than eighteen months for us so we are slowly getting there.
Regarding the subject of the thread, anybody joining easyJet any time soon believing they will get a quick command should be very wary. There is every sign that our fleet expansion is grinding to a halt, and that is the primary driver for recruitment. Yes, there are people leaving, but not by the hundreds as has been reported. I do not have the exact figures but I believe we have had around 165 promotions this last year. Nobody knows next year's plan yet, but I will be surprised if it is as many as that - and we will comfortably have that number of First Officers to promote from our current pilots.
With the notable exception of the Berlin-based pilots, who have their own particular battle with the company that shows no signs of ending, you will find few pilots at easyJet these days who hate the company, including the ones who are leaving for BA. Quite understandably, as young men in their early twenties, they are attracted by the full career opportunities on offer there, and everyone wishes them well. Nonetheless, if you cannot fly for a national carrier from a young age, easyJet is a great place to be instead. The area we have most got wrong is the flexicrew issue and the lack of recruitment of experienced but non-rated pilots from the military, turboprop outfits etc. There are signs that will change by the end of the year, but the big unknown is how many pilots we will actually need. There has been growing resentment among the pilot workforce at the constant stream of many hundred 150-200 hour pilots through our doors. The lack of balance in that recruitment stream does us no favours and the sooner it changes the better.
As an aside, we have now offered permanent contracts to every 'suitable' flexicrew pilot who has worked more than eighteen months for us so we are slowly getting there.
Regarding the subject of the thread, anybody joining easyJet any time soon believing they will get a quick command should be very wary. There is every sign that our fleet expansion is grinding to a halt, and that is the primary driver for recruitment. Yes, there are people leaving, but not by the hundreds as has been reported. I do not have the exact figures but I believe we have had around 165 promotions this last year. Nobody knows next year's plan yet, but I will be surprised if it is as many as that - and we will comfortably have that number of First Officers to promote from our current pilots.
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From: The Aluminium Tube of Doom
NSF, I think you'll find that there are very few pilots at SXF who "hate The Company" per se.....most I fly with come to work with a good attitude (hell, some even still do flap 3 landings & single-engine taxi) and enjoy a nice day out.
Now "Management"....that is a different matter altogether!
Strike ballot results will be posted today.
Now "Management"....that is a different matter altogether!
Strike ballot results will be posted today.
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
FliegerTiger - whether it is the company or the management that is held in disdain is a very fine distinction from where I sit. Nonetheless, we will no doubt have the opportunity to discuss the issues further on the company forum in private later on. When the ballot result is announced, I and numerous others would be keen to know the specifics of the offer that is being turned down and also what the Berlin crews would regard as an acceptable outcome. Many thanks in anticipation.
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I was under the impression it is as a result of the German taxman catching up and demanding german based pilots pay up what they have been avoiding for years.
Thus the pilots are asking for a pay rise to cover the difference.
Not surprisingly easyjet may have told them to swivel.
I could of course be totally wide of the mark.
Thus the pilots are asking for a pay rise to cover the difference.
Not surprisingly easyjet may have told them to swivel.
I could of course be totally wide of the mark.
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From: Grrrr
Yes, St. Nicholas, you are very wide off the mark. The German contract is the cheapest of the euro contracts and the company wishes to make it even cheaper and ignore national laws in Germany under the mantra that we are a lowcost airline. Funny how some think that they are above the law. The company has not been asked for more than the gross pay at the other continental bases (and the extra social costs are lower in Germany than in Spain, France and Italy), but have been offered significantly less. Tax is high in Germany, but that is not per se the company's problem. However, pay is not the main issue being fought in this battle.
