Easyjet

[prob30]

muh ha ha ha nyah ha ha!! Doubt it.

[JTONeil]

A few more pilots, longer block times, fewer 25 minute turn arounds, and 'fire-breaks' between crew rotations: it's working, but not quite enough.

She's making an effort; but will she run out of steam before making a real long term difference? After all, investors live for today, not for tomorrow.

[Craggenmore]

She's making an effort; but will she run out of steam before making a real long term difference? After all, investors live for today, not for tomorrow.

If the £1.2 million shares she was given free on day 2 of her joining go up soon.......as an investor....................

[PENKO]

Why would employees downtalk the aspirations of their very own airline on a public forum? Sure, vent your doubts on our private section, but in public? Who pays your wages?

[Craggenmore]

The passengers pay the wages and you only get downtalk if there's a reason for it.

[ribena]

Or they might just be disillusioned with a company that forces it's crew not to take any time off for more than a year and it will approximately 18 months before they can.....

[ROSCO328]

Ribena,

Been with easy 5 years and never been " forced " to do anything. You are entitled to your opinion but please try using facts rather than fiction.

[ribena]

ROSco328, actually it is a Fact not just my opinion!

As a new joiner to the company through Flexicrew for the first 8 months you are not entitled to leave. After your 8 months you can start to build up a leave entitlement once you have earned up enough time. However, we were blocked from taking leave over the summer period (I do not know about all bases there might be one out there where you could get).

Therefore, if you started last summer and finished your 8 months between Jan-Apr this year you can not take any leave until the Autumn. Hence, why I said you are forced not to take leave for the first 16-18 months within the company (unless you call in sick or fatigued - both of which you do not get paid)

I know this for a fat as I am one, if you know of how I can get some paid leave PLEASE let us know!

[Cmon-PullUP]

Therefore, if you started last summer and finished your 8 months between Jan-Apr this year you can not take any leave until the Autumn. Hence, why I said you are forced not to take leave for the first 16-18 months within the company (unless you call in sick or fatigued - both of which you do not get paid)

Surely this was written black on white in your contract, and surely you read it through before you signed it?

[ribena]

Absolutely I read the contract! And there are many things that are far from ideal with it as I am sure you are aware but I am not going to digress.



However, most contracts (all that I have ever signed) say something along the lines...entitled to 'x' amounts of days per year to be taken subject to availability/agreement etc etc



BUT does that make it SAFE or right that in a western country in the 21st century that there are people out there for 18 months without a vacation or a break.

[EpsilonVaz]

ribena, I think it's good to draw attention to issues that are far from ideal, but as a former CTC flexicrew pilot for easyJet (now permanent), I must point out that what you say isn't true, there are rules regarding the amount of leave you must take, and from my experience, these are applied. I'm not too sure where you got the 8 months from starting the flexicrew contract figure from.

[ribena]

EpsilonVaz, that is god news that you have got a permanent contract. I apologise if I wasn't clear about how it works but I will try and clear it up as a lot of people are complaining (albeit to ourselves) about this, so I will try and break it down.

1. Afte your type rating / base training / induction day etc you now have an initial 8 months flying (a few yeas ago this was 6 months) where we are not 'officially working' etc and we get £1200 a month living allowance. During this stage we are not allowed any leave. If you join through Parc, you paid from day one and I believe (please correct me if I am wrong as I don't know anybody personally on their contract) you start to earn a holiday entitlement.

2. After your initial 8 months you are transferred fully onto the Flexicrew contract where you get start to get paid by the scheduled block hour. From the start of this contract you also start to earn your leave entitlement ( 28 days per year etc etc).

3. easyJet have 'blacked out' the summer months so we can not get leave by aplying though Nursling during this time. We received a spreadsheet saying when we can/can not apply for leave - (this was defiantly the case at my base).

4. You are right, from what I have seen CTC are applying the rules. But, if you finish your 8 months 'training' in the period between Jan-Apr you can not get any leave until Sep-Oct at the earliest. Which means that you start flying in May 2010, you therefore start the Flexi officially in Feb 11 and because of the restrictions the first leave you can get is Sep 2011 - a total of 16 months sitting in the RHS without a break not including the time in the Sim for Type Rating and then between induction with the training to the first day of line training not base training.

Hopefully that helps clear things up.

[joe two]

Just a few years ago you could join as F/O (or Captain !) and be immedialtely on the 5-4-5-3 roster , no type ratings needed to be paid - just a "bond" for 3 years , and you got , offcourse , straight into your normal F/O's or Capt's salary - even if you had to do the Airbus type rating first.

Unfortunately time has changed thereafter.

So now let's just hope that some day soon this whole cadet-entry crap will be stopped , also because we sometimes have to notice an unhappy cadet and that's not what I come to work with for.

Hopefully management will some day acknowledge this as they are the only ones who can stop this (as there will always be a student willing to sign this cadet-contract.)

[Bigbus330]

So, heading back to the original aim of this thread, does anyone "in the know" expect there to be any D/E SFO recruitment in the near future, and will there be reasonable upgrade opportunities due to the lack of experience in the present F/o ranks?

Thanks in anticipation.

[binsleepen]

I was at an airline recruitment fair this week and the peeps at the Easy Jet stand said there would be DE F/O recruitment this autumn. They said that they expected to be inundated with applications so would have set hours requirements.

Regards

[VJW]

As well as a valid A320 type rating. Probably the exact same requirements as their Easyjet Swiss add, A320 with 500 hrs on type sounds plausible...

[Microburst2002]

they can ask for 1,500 hours on type and they will have an 'overbooking'

[binsleepen]

They indicated that a TR would not be one of the requirements. They would not get many of the Military guys they were talking to if they did.

Regards

[babotika]

As far as I know flexicrew don't get paid leave, end of, period. You can take unpaid leave however it isn't available during the summer months when it's all hands on deck. This is because you're working as a contractor - so essentially are self employed.

I'm not sure I buy into this huge queue of experienced FOs waiting to join seeing as many many 3 stripers are leaving for BA, etc. I guess there's the people who can't apply to BA but there are still very attractive jobs in other places.

[EpsilonVaz]

Flexicrew get paid leave and are employed by CTC.