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This appears to be an ongoing & constantly updating scenario. A few weeks ago they advertised for 737 crew in CDG. A colleague familiar with the operation doubted that this would happen as there was a chance a contract for the 737 in BGY might end & result in a surplus of Boeing guys rather than a deficit. Seems this may have been the case ? I heard that either the French DGAC or Aeroport de Paris were putting obstacles their way, as they didn't really seem to appreciate the idea of a Lithuanian ACMI operating in their principal airport. Don't think they have ever fully forgotten Flash Airlines, & I imagine any operation accomplished there with Small Planet will be punctuated by daily, very detailed, SAFA inspections.
Think it is fair to say that you will never know where you will be based from 1 year /month to the next, I heard the rumours of very low renumeration were also accurate, but well, it's a job.
Think it is fair to say that you will never know where you will be based from 1 year /month to the next, I heard the rumours of very low renumeration were also accurate, but well, it's a job.
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Maybe that's why they advertise the ability to travel as a must for the job. You'll never know where you'll be tomorrow. Anyway I dont think they have great expectations regarding workforce with the wages offered. Just my 2 cents.
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I noticed that on their hiring website, they put "Italian Citizenship" as one of the requirements, and it is in bold. Is that even legal per EU law?
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NO, it is not legal per EU Law:-
Every EU national is entitled to take up and pursue employment in the territory of another member state under the same conditions as the nationals of the host state (EU Treaty Art 1 and Regulation 1612/68).
If you have been rejected for the position and told specifically it was becasue you are not an Italian citizen, you have a claim (good luck). However, it is more likey that some other reason would have been given.
I note that some pilot jobs have recently been advertised that require fluency in the local language. This may also be illegal as the mandated language of aviation is English.
Some EU member states follow EU Labour Law, some don't, thereby protecting jobs for their own nationals.
Every EU national is entitled to take up and pursue employment in the territory of another member state under the same conditions as the nationals of the host state (EU Treaty Art 1 and Regulation 1612/68).
If you have been rejected for the position and told specifically it was becasue you are not an Italian citizen, you have a claim (good luck). However, it is more likey that some other reason would have been given.
I note that some pilot jobs have recently been advertised that require fluency in the local language. This may also be illegal as the mandated language of aviation is English.
Some EU member states follow EU Labour Law, some don't, thereby protecting jobs for their own nationals.
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Think, as I said above, Boeing fleet may have lost a contract, so maybe that is the reason? It seems they are recruiting for A320, a Polish colleague said he heard they were also looking for WAW based crew.
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Well, It seems they found an easy way to keep costs down. No contracts, crew laid off. Anyway, I was reading their website and, honestly, I think they can be a nice airline to work if they give some stability and a 'strandard' package.
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Maybe nice to work with nice collegues...But,no operational, no roster, no information, no updates...If you ask someone on board they will explain to you that this is their standard and that information updated are forgotten because of charter operations!! Strange!Yes because as I understood is an airline tipically working ad-hoc flights and not scheduled charter flights...so on just LAST MINUTE FLIGHT!
Anyway 3000 E FO and 4000 E for CPT both Fixed salary.
It's bad and low but in the same time think that you'll be working few days per months, generally week-ends when any fligh pop up!
Contract lenght vary, could be for 2 months like could be just half month!
Usually they recruite guys (FO speaking the local languages) to not have problem with the local CAA.
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Fly4Fun is not an easy way..but an illegal way !!!!!
Beacue most of them are unpayd during the winter season and they will recall you in summer time when they need.
contract in the same time are stipulated in Cyprus so they even don't pay any taxes in LT.
And...last not least, if you resign before the contract end you have a fine of 10.000 (i don't remember USD or Eur) to pay !
Ps. Actually I think they have a contract till mid-end Nov with B373 from BGY base
Beacue most of them are unpayd during the winter season and they will recall you in summer time when they need.
contract in the same time are stipulated in Cyprus so they even don't pay any taxes in LT.
And...last not least, if you resign before the contract end you have a fine of 10.000 (i don't remember USD or Eur) to pay !
Ps. Actually I think they have a contract till mid-end Nov with B373 from BGY base
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You are mixing right to work versus employer requirements. While the law refers to a right to pursue work and work in all EU countries without restriction, there's nothing in the law prohibiting an employer from setting requirements for a job such as nationality.
What the paragraph you pasted refers to is the freedom of movement of labour and equal right to work.
There might be various reasons for requiring nationality such as airport access, military contracts etc etc.
Again you are wrong about the language requirements. Just have a look what the ICAO approved languages are. While I agree that in a multinational company a common language must exist, this could be set to be French or Russian and not English by default. Again there is no requirements, other than ICAO English proficiency for use with ATC and thus a requirement that an employer is free to set in similar way as setting hours and experience requirements.
You are mixing right to work versus employer requirements. While the law refers to a right to pursue work and work in all EU countries without restriction, there's nothing in the law prohibiting an employer from setting requirements for a job such as nationality.
What the paragraph you pasted refers to is the freedom of movement of labour and equal right to work.
There might be various reasons for requiring nationality such as airport access, military contracts etc etc.
Again you are wrong about the language requirements. Just have a look what the ICAO approved languages are. While I agree that in a multinational company a common language must exist, this could be set to be French or Russian and not English by default. Again there is no requirements, other than ICAO English proficiency for use with ATC and thus a requirement that an employer is free to set in similar way as setting hours and experience requirements.
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wizzkid - WRONG
It is contrary to current EU law for an EU employer to reject an EU citizen from another member state, entirely due to not being a citizen of that particular EU country - ref:
EU Treaty of Amsterdam -1997
EU Maastricht Treaty - 1992
As previosuly stated, respective EU employers may impose various prerequisites to protect local jobs, however, citizenship (ref above) cannot be one of them.
It is contrary to current EU law for an EU employer to reject an EU citizen from another member state, entirely due to not being a citizen of that particular EU country - ref:
EU Treaty of Amsterdam -1997
EU Maastricht Treaty - 1992
As previosuly stated, respective EU employers may impose various prerequisites to protect local jobs, however, citizenship (ref above) cannot be one of them.
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As they are a Lithuanian company, I suspect the preference for Italian was just to smooth things out at the Italian base. Unless they interview & reject, or fail to consider someone, by dint of them having another nationality (good luck with proving that, or getting anyone to pursue your complaint) difficult to argue with their personal preferences.
Perhaps naive of them to mention it in an ad (if indeed they did), but really, they have the right to have preferences, and unless you are debarred from applying due to not fulfilling them, they have the right to take who they want, or not as the case may be.
Think you will find this type of thing exists in many many companies, and believe me, if they don't want you, you certainly DON'T want them.
Perhaps naive of them to mention it in an ad (if indeed they did), but really, they have the right to have preferences, and unless you are debarred from applying due to not fulfilling them, they have the right to take who they want, or not as the case may be.
Think you will find this type of thing exists in many many companies, and believe me, if they don't want you, you certainly DON'T want them.
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Neither the Amsterdam or the Maastricht treaties are no more than ratifications of existing protocols, expansions, new agreements and deletions of old outdated ones.
You must read the individual laws and exceptions on a particular law.
Article 45 of the TFEU (ex Article 39 TEC)
1.Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Union.
2.Such freedom of movement shall entail the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality between workers of the Member States as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and employment.
3.It shall entail the right, subject to limitations justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health
I am unfortunately intimately familiar with the subject. I rather I would not be.
You must read the individual laws and exceptions on a particular law.
Article 45 of the TFEU (ex Article 39 TEC)
1.Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Union.
2.Such freedom of movement shall entail the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality between workers of the Member States as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and employment.
3.It shall entail the right, subject to limitations justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health
I am unfortunately intimately familiar with the subject. I rather I would not be.
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Wizz
You are correct in so far as citizenship being required for very specific posts that relate primarily to law and security:-
"with the exception of those posts that involve the exercise of powers conferred by public law and the safeguard of general interests of the State or local authorities"
however, applying for a pilot position is not one of them.
It would be pointless to pass legislation to permit EU citizens the right to freedom of movement and labour within the EU, if on arrival you could not apply for work due to not being a citizen of that EU member state - doh!
You are correct in so far as citizenship being required for very specific posts that relate primarily to law and security:-
"with the exception of those posts that involve the exercise of powers conferred by public law and the safeguard of general interests of the State or local authorities"
however, applying for a pilot position is not one of them.
It would be pointless to pass legislation to permit EU citizens the right to freedom of movement and labour within the EU, if on arrival you could not apply for work due to not being a citizen of that EU member state - doh!
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Nobody can restrict you to apply however nobody can restrict them from sending your application to the trash bin and you would never be able to prove anything. That's life.
On the grand scheme of the things how many % non-Germans are in LH and how many non-French in AF? Surely not because they lack of applications from foreigners?
On the grand scheme of the things how many % non-Germans are in LH and how many non-French in AF? Surely not because they lack of applications from foreigners?
