Garuda applicants beware
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Garuda applicants beware
As part of the application process for B737NG Captain screening,I have been given a letter by Parc .
The letter states that the applicant agrees to refund Garuda the cost of the assessment ( ie flights,hotel and simulator costs) if he/she is offered employment and declines the offer (if no job offer is made then there is no liability to repay the costs).
The sum involved could easily be 2,000 euros or more (Parc are saying nothing about the amount.)
Although I would be quite keen to work in Asia,I am not prepared to sign such a letter as a matter of principle as I know almost nothing about what to expect. If I knew in advance that life with Garuda in Jakarta would be good that might be different but ,so far,there is little or no feedback from anyone.
I am not that desperate for work so I pass on this golden opportunity to work 3 months on and have 2 whole weeks off.
Regards,
Caissa.
The letter states that the applicant agrees to refund Garuda the cost of the assessment ( ie flights,hotel and simulator costs) if he/she is offered employment and declines the offer (if no job offer is made then there is no liability to repay the costs).
The sum involved could easily be 2,000 euros or more (Parc are saying nothing about the amount.)
Although I would be quite keen to work in Asia,I am not prepared to sign such a letter as a matter of principle as I know almost nothing about what to expect. If I knew in advance that life with Garuda in Jakarta would be good that might be different but ,so far,there is little or no feedback from anyone.
I am not that desperate for work so I pass on this golden opportunity to work 3 months on and have 2 whole weeks off.
Regards,
Caissa.
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I don't understand the problem? If I were Garuda, why would I want to take a bunch of prospective pilot employees, pay a fair bit of money to bring them over for a sim ride, and then have them turn round and say they've changed their minds? Have Parc not given you all the terms and conditions? So I guess Garuda are saying that if they offer you a job subject to successful sim ride, you should take the job they offer, seeing as you applied for it. Otherwise it could be abused surely?
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Is it not reasonable to accept that although one has applied to be interviewed/screened by the respective airline, in this case Garuda, the APPLICANT also has the right to screen the AIRLINE?
Many pilots have attended interviews and been rejected by airlines. Are pilots not permitted to reject the airlines?
When you attend any interview/screening costs are involved. This is part of the business of running an airline. It is wrong that PARC should expect
applicants to pay costs if the AIRLINE does not pass the APPLICANTS screening.
This conduct is typical of agencies, who may pocket part of any costs recovered in such circumstances.
If at all possible, you are always better off avoiding agencies and being recruited by the respective airline directly.
Many pilots have attended interviews and been rejected by airlines. Are pilots not permitted to reject the airlines?
When you attend any interview/screening costs are involved. This is part of the business of running an airline. It is wrong that PARC should expect
applicants to pay costs if the AIRLINE does not pass the APPLICANTS screening.
This conduct is typical of agencies, who may pocket part of any costs recovered in such circumstances.
If at all possible, you are always better off avoiding agencies and being recruited by the respective airline directly.
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The logical thing to do for the applicant is to screen the company BEFORE applying for a job. I can understand Garuda very well.
Who wouldn`t like an all-expenses-paid trip to Jakarta and then "change their minds" at the last minute?
If you don`t want the job, don`t apply for it
Who wouldn`t like an all-expenses-paid trip to Jakarta and then "change their minds" at the last minute?
If you don`t want the job, don`t apply for it
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Seat oA, have u ever travelled to the other side of the globe, to join an airline AFTER the initial assessment, and when u realize t what's going on there, the first thing was....to check when the next plane leaves for home....?
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No ,I can not believe in some posts I see here..... at all !!!
It doesn`t surpreise me such an offer from an airline which is run most of the time for a bean counter.
What really do surprises me is to see that some pilots agree with such a stupid thing !!!! This is exasperating !!!!
This is one more proof of how stupid pilots in general are !! It`s because of this worm mentality that our profession , which includes terms and conditions , respect to the individual and treatment conditions are plumeting down.Most pilots are cheap hookers ...
There was a time when this was a profession of gentleman who kept their chin up...
About PARC...Nowadays...Seems to be just another one..
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It doesn`t surpreise me such an offer from an airline which is run most of the time for a bean counter.
What really do surprises me is to see that some pilots agree with such a stupid thing !!!! This is exasperating !!!!
This is one more proof of how stupid pilots in general are !! It`s because of this worm mentality that our profession , which includes terms and conditions , respect to the individual and treatment conditions are plumeting down.Most pilots are cheap hookers ...
There was a time when this was a profession of gentleman who kept their chin up...
About PARC...Nowadays...Seems to be just another one..
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A-3TWENTY, I am surprised of how democratic mind you have!
When someone does not think the way you think, he is in your opinion, "stupid" and spoiling the profession.... I am sorry, that pilots like you are still in the market. I can imagine how you are acting in the cockpit, and what kind of CRM you are using.....Shame on you! Really shame!
When someone does not think the way you think, he is in your opinion, "stupid" and spoiling the profession.... I am sorry, that pilots like you are still in the market. I can imagine how you are acting in the cockpit, and what kind of CRM you are using.....Shame on you! Really shame!
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I join the team: you're absolutely right!
One of the reasons our profession has been totally eroded on the latest years is because some people bent their spines more and more.
There's a lot of pilots with lower professional backgrounds that are happily accepting to swallow anything to get a seat on a jet...
You're absolutely right: if we are not happy about what we see 'in loco' we are fully entitled to say 'no thanks' without any kind of liability.
Yes: we have the right to screen an airline before commiting to accept a job!
Too bad a reputable agency as Parc agreed to participate in such a scum.
Caissa, two thumbs up for you for your decison and for reporting this here.
One of the reasons our profession has been totally eroded on the latest years is because some people bent their spines more and more.
There's a lot of pilots with lower professional backgrounds that are happily accepting to swallow anything to get a seat on a jet...
You're absolutely right: if we are not happy about what we see 'in loco' we are fully entitled to say 'no thanks' without any kind of liability.
Yes: we have the right to screen an airline before commiting to accept a job!
Too bad a reputable agency as Parc agreed to participate in such a scum.
Caissa, two thumbs up for you for your decison and for reporting this here.
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PARC is a reputable organization. PARC is following the marching orders given by their client. PARC is providing prospective applicants with pertinent information so they can decide for themselves.
I am sure that PARC has advised GARUDA about how unreasonable the 2,000 Euro payback is. As the saying goes tuition comes at a very high price. You can bet that GARUDA will back down form their 2,000 Euro payback scheme when no applicants show up for their assessment.
Anyone remember when FLYDUbai was recruiting initial cadre pilots in 2008? The terms and conditions posted to the short listed group promised riches beyond belief... The buggers waited until prospective employees came to Dubai. That's when they dropped the bomb. They informed the unsuspecting group about the requirement of posting $25,000 bond should they quit within a certain period of time. I am not talking about a training bond... they wanted a cash bond. It gets even better... They wanted the employee to pay the cost of maintaining the bond too! And that was for the initial cadre who were current and qualified on the -800 too
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Yeah the bottom feeders are still out there.
Hey.... by the way... how does one get to JKT if GARUDA can't fly in the UK. Do they pay for the ticket to AMS?
I am sure that PARC has advised GARUDA about how unreasonable the 2,000 Euro payback is. As the saying goes tuition comes at a very high price. You can bet that GARUDA will back down form their 2,000 Euro payback scheme when no applicants show up for their assessment.
Anyone remember when FLYDUbai was recruiting initial cadre pilots in 2008? The terms and conditions posted to the short listed group promised riches beyond belief... The buggers waited until prospective employees came to Dubai. That's when they dropped the bomb. They informed the unsuspecting group about the requirement of posting $25,000 bond should they quit within a certain period of time. I am not talking about a training bond... they wanted a cash bond. It gets even better... They wanted the employee to pay the cost of maintaining the bond too! And that was for the initial cadre who were current and qualified on the -800 too
!Yeah the bottom feeders are still out there.
Hey.... by the way... how does one get to JKT if GARUDA can't fly in the UK. Do they pay for the ticket to AMS?
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Dear Captjns,
The topic is about Garuda charging for the interview if you refuse to accept the job offer BUT you have been talking about Flydubai and what you are saying is wrong.
You are free to say anything you want on this website but you SHOULD tell the truth...
I went for the interview for a Flydubai position in 2008 and I have been told that I will have to accept a bond for 3 years.
The only thing is that , at that stage , they did not tell me how much it would be as they did not know yet.
Also it is not true what you are saying about the way pilots are bonded there.
No pilot has to pay anything , but if a pilot leaves the company before the full 3 years has been completed he will have to pay an amount based on the period he has been working in the company.
So if somebody decides to leave after 2 years , he will be asked to pay 8000 USD and not the 24000.
And in fact , because of the end of service benefits provided by the company , he will not have to pay anything but the amount will be deducted from his end of service benefit.
So please , before saying something make sure that your information are correct.
The topic is about Garuda charging for the interview if you refuse to accept the job offer BUT you have been talking about Flydubai and what you are saying is wrong.
You are free to say anything you want on this website but you SHOULD tell the truth...
I went for the interview for a Flydubai position in 2008 and I have been told that I will have to accept a bond for 3 years.
The only thing is that , at that stage , they did not tell me how much it would be as they did not know yet.
Also it is not true what you are saying about the way pilots are bonded there.
No pilot has to pay anything , but if a pilot leaves the company before the full 3 years has been completed he will have to pay an amount based on the period he has been working in the company.
So if somebody decides to leave after 2 years , he will be asked to pay 8000 USD and not the 24000.
And in fact , because of the end of service benefits provided by the company , he will not have to pay anything but the amount will be deducted from his end of service benefit.
So please , before saying something make sure that your information are correct.
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Well Scoteros... who appointed you as teh post/thread monitor?
I'll wager that yu were not the only one to interview with FD, and old chum, you really must stay away from the Kool-Aide.
Pretty igngorant and arrogant of you to make sure slanderous remarks without you, yes you, not having all the facts, as I'm sure you were not in the same interview group as I, and along with an Airtran Pilot, Omani Air Pilot, and another crewmember from a carrier that I cannot recall. We were being interviewed for initial cadre positions.
Anyway because of the discrepancies between the "Red Herring" all of us received via email before the interview, versus actual contract, and other issues not worth discussing caused three out of the four of us to head back to our current jobs rather than continuing with the interview process. Again, you were not present with our interview group and thus not privy to what was being offered on that particular day.
Yes, they have changed their terms and conditions and bonding requirements as time went on to lure pilots.
Hoping you are in a better place with a satisfying job all the best...
I'll wager that yu were not the only one to interview with FD, and old chum, you really must stay away from the Kool-Aide.
Pretty igngorant and arrogant of you to make sure slanderous remarks without you, yes you, not having all the facts, as I'm sure you were not in the same interview group as I, and along with an Airtran Pilot, Omani Air Pilot, and another crewmember from a carrier that I cannot recall. We were being interviewed for initial cadre positions.
Anyway because of the discrepancies between the "Red Herring" all of us received via email before the interview, versus actual contract, and other issues not worth discussing caused three out of the four of us to head back to our current jobs rather than continuing with the interview process. Again, you were not present with our interview group and thus not privy to what was being offered on that particular day.
Yes, they have changed their terms and conditions and bonding requirements as time went on to lure pilots.
Hoping you are in a better place with a satisfying job all the best...
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Good decision Caissa.
At the end of the day the interview provides information for both parties, seeing an advert for a job does nothing in telling you what the people you will be working for will be like. As far as a paid holiday to Jakarta, you have to be joking..............I can think of better places to go!
At the end of the day the interview provides information for both parties, seeing an advert for a job does nothing in telling you what the people you will be working for will be like. As far as a paid holiday to Jakarta, you have to be joking..............I can think of better places to go!
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As soon as they don't charge the 2000 EUR anymore, I'll apply too... Never been to Indonesia... would be nice to get a new visa on my passport!
Come on guys... this needs to be a fair game for both parties:
1. Airline screens pilot, don't like him... Airline takes the costs
2. Pilot screens airline, don't like it... Pilot takes the costs...
Come on guys... this needs to be a fair game for both parties:
1. Airline screens pilot, don't like him... Airline takes the costs
2. Pilot screens airline, don't like it... Pilot takes the costs...