The last of Vueling (Spain)
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The last of Vueling (Spain)
Vueling Company (Spain):
-Salary conditions are unique in Europe: 838,30 € per month plus allowances. With that money the pilot (FO) must pay housing, transportation, nights out, meals, etc..And it should get refreshed on the fly.
-To access the job, forced the First Officer must pay 16.000 €. According to the Company (VUELING) that money is to pay the course of adaptation to the airline flight, simulators and restrictions.
It reminds me the following gentlemen:
On 12 February 2009, a Dash-8-Q400 Colgan Air Company crashed near Buffalo Niagara International Airport, killing 50 people in the accident. The commander and the copilot Marvin Renslow Rebecca Shaw, 47 and 24 years respectively, acted in an uncoordinated manner and incorrect alignment in the middle of a storm with icing.
According to research from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and the information that came to light in some media, the passenger Rebecca Shaw agreed to fly in spite of not being in good condition for flight, as it had not rested properly and was with cold symptoms.
The young copilot, who met all training requirements, moved last night from his home in Seattle to Newark and sat in the crew room at the airport where "there is a sofa with my name," says she told the crew FedEx extracrew brought her the night before the accident.
In the early hours of the accident the captain and copilot Renslow Shaw talked about the poor working conditions in the company Colgan Air, and the co-pilot complained of low wages. Shaw said he earned $ 17,000 a year, although Colgan Air co-pilot later reported that the claimed $ 23,400 (€ 17,000) last year (source: nydailynews).
The incorrect performance of the crew could be due to fatigue, the most dangerous aspect of the human factor. "Fatigue is comparable to driving drunk, has the same effect as alcohol," said Kitty Higgins of the NTSB. Fatigue and low wages have been considered as possible factors in aircraft accidents, and the lifestyle of the co-pilot of 24 years has been given as an example in discussions. (Source: nydailynews)
The crew acted incorrectly in the Zip-line approach of 3407 to Buffalo Niagara International Airport, reacting uncoordinated and incorrect. The research questioned the professional profile of the commander, who struggled in flight simulators. Also, Roger Cox, the NTSB suggested that the young Shaw could be under the effects of fatigue from the journey from his home last night because his salary could not afford a hotel or a room near Newark
-Salary conditions are unique in Europe: 838,30 € per month plus allowances. With that money the pilot (FO) must pay housing, transportation, nights out, meals, etc..And it should get refreshed on the fly.
-To access the job, forced the First Officer must pay 16.000 €. According to the Company (VUELING) that money is to pay the course of adaptation to the airline flight, simulators and restrictions.
It reminds me the following gentlemen:
On 12 February 2009, a Dash-8-Q400 Colgan Air Company crashed near Buffalo Niagara International Airport, killing 50 people in the accident. The commander and the copilot Marvin Renslow Rebecca Shaw, 47 and 24 years respectively, acted in an uncoordinated manner and incorrect alignment in the middle of a storm with icing.
According to research from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and the information that came to light in some media, the passenger Rebecca Shaw agreed to fly in spite of not being in good condition for flight, as it had not rested properly and was with cold symptoms.
The young copilot, who met all training requirements, moved last night from his home in Seattle to Newark and sat in the crew room at the airport where "there is a sofa with my name," says she told the crew FedEx extracrew brought her the night before the accident.
In the early hours of the accident the captain and copilot Renslow Shaw talked about the poor working conditions in the company Colgan Air, and the co-pilot complained of low wages. Shaw said he earned $ 17,000 a year, although Colgan Air co-pilot later reported that the claimed $ 23,400 (€ 17,000) last year (source: nydailynews).
The incorrect performance of the crew could be due to fatigue, the most dangerous aspect of the human factor. "Fatigue is comparable to driving drunk, has the same effect as alcohol," said Kitty Higgins of the NTSB. Fatigue and low wages have been considered as possible factors in aircraft accidents, and the lifestyle of the co-pilot of 24 years has been given as an example in discussions. (Source: nydailynews)
The crew acted incorrectly in the Zip-line approach of 3407 to Buffalo Niagara International Airport, reacting uncoordinated and incorrect. The research questioned the professional profile of the commander, who struggled in flight simulators. Also, Roger Cox, the NTSB suggested that the young Shaw could be under the effects of fatigue from the journey from his home last night because his salary could not afford a hotel or a room near Newark
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misprint, obviously.
She was a female.
Extracrew | El punto de encuentro de la aviación | pilotos, TCP, handling...#
She was a female.
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-Salary conditions are unique in Europe: 838,30 € per month plus allowances.
Surely the allowances must be a few fold of that on top or not ?
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I'm under the impression this article was run through Google Translate or some other automatic translator. Are you sure it's not 838.3 euro basic salary? You need to add sector pay to that...
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Gentelmen;
All about the issue is the truth.
This recruitment system adds more controversy to the management of the Department of Human Resources Vueling. In a letter to all pilots of the company in September last year requested that these be reduced to 50% under "the threat of fire" at least old in the ranks.
The salary to be paid to selected pilots will be 838.30 euros per month (Salary Tables 2010). This money will be used to pay the debt incurred to obtain the type rating, plus the cost of housing, meals, transportation, etc.
How safe are airplanes flying Vueling? A low pilot experience (200 hours of flight) and a salary that can not live a relaxed can be a dangerous cocktail in the cockpit of an airplane.
Fortunately Vueling has professionals, Captains, very experienced ensure the safety of flight operations, and we trust in the good formation of cadet pilots, but that should not divert attention to what´s important: SAFETY STARTS EVEN BEFORE THE COCKPIT.
All about the issue is the truth.
This recruitment system adds more controversy to the management of the Department of Human Resources Vueling. In a letter to all pilots of the company in September last year requested that these be reduced to 50% under "the threat of fire" at least old in the ranks.
The salary to be paid to selected pilots will be 838.30 euros per month (Salary Tables 2010). This money will be used to pay the debt incurred to obtain the type rating, plus the cost of housing, meals, transportation, etc.
How safe are airplanes flying Vueling? A low pilot experience (200 hours of flight) and a salary that can not live a relaxed can be a dangerous cocktail in the cockpit of an airplane.
Fortunately Vueling has professionals, Captains, very experienced ensure the safety of flight operations, and we trust in the good formation of cadet pilots, but that should not divert attention to what´s important: SAFETY STARTS EVEN BEFORE THE COCKPIT.
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It is like Easyjet and Ryanair they recruit 200 hrs cadets and pay them very low.
Vueling pays 850 euros basic plus 1000 euros flying maximum hours and duty, that's 1850 euros a month. At Ryanair and Easyjet, Cadets have no basic salary, if they dont fly they get zero.
Same sh.t everywhere.
Vueling has announced a new base in France at Toulouse, TLS.
Rumours speaking about ORY, but they can´t get enough slots because of Airfrance monopoly.
Anyway, if you want to work at Vueling you need to have OACI Spanish level 4 minimum.
Vueling pays 850 euros basic plus 1000 euros flying maximum hours and duty, that's 1850 euros a month. At Ryanair and Easyjet, Cadets have no basic salary, if they dont fly they get zero.
Same sh.t everywhere.
Vueling has announced a new base in France at Toulouse, TLS.
Rumours speaking about ORY, but they can´t get enough slots because of Airfrance monopoly.
Anyway, if you want to work at Vueling you need to have OACI Spanish level 4 minimum.
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I didn´t know that a pilot (cadet, Co-pilot or FO) could work without a basic salary.
What´s about Goverment´s Taxes? I´m afraid that is an ilegal financial situation.
What´s about Social Security?
They are not a freelance.
Anyway, you have to take into account your basic salary to develop your way of living...
Allowances...may be, or not every month. 1000 euros? Or not
What´s about Goverment´s Taxes? I´m afraid that is an ilegal financial situation.
What´s about Social Security?
They are not a freelance.
Anyway, you have to take into account your basic salary to develop your way of living...
Allowances...may be, or not every month. 1000 euros? Or not
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Stupidity of the dangerous kind
I hope that Vueling lose their FO's fast, and can't hire new ones. Sadly this is unlikely, due to cadet pilot idiocy and FTO/airline greed.
Sticky end foreseen soon. Possibly blood on someones' hands too.
Sticky end foreseen soon. Possibly blood on someones' hands too.
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-After selecting the pilot must collect 16,000 euros and pay only center concluded, CAE TRAINING INTERNATIONAL, located in La Muñoza, Madrid. These facilities from Iberia, Airlines of Spain (owns Vueling).
The novelty is that this course of adaptation to Vueling flight operation must afford the student, and some voices that say they will pay even if the pilot comes from another airline and accumulate 1.000/2.000 hours of flight on the A320 aircraft.
-Therefore there are those who claim that the selection process of the job hides a Vueling irregular income and CAE.
-The surprises do not end there, since according to some sources after the signing of the students that pass the training, pilots will take a job and remain available for any need of the company. All of them will be recruited as possible to cope with the summer campaign, when the company extended the offer Vueling flights.
So, VUELING-CAE-IBERIA would be very very happy if these mates go to another airline....
The novelty is that this course of adaptation to Vueling flight operation must afford the student, and some voices that say they will pay even if the pilot comes from another airline and accumulate 1.000/2.000 hours of flight on the A320 aircraft.
-Therefore there are those who claim that the selection process of the job hides a Vueling irregular income and CAE.
-The surprises do not end there, since according to some sources after the signing of the students that pass the training, pilots will take a job and remain available for any need of the company. All of them will be recruited as possible to cope with the summer campaign, when the company extended the offer Vueling flights.
So, VUELING-CAE-IBERIA would be very very happy if these mates go to another airline....
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I wonder if the IBERIA pilots will boycot their Vueling amigos now as much as they do with Ryanair for bringing terms and conditions down.
I remember that I heared once a Vueling pilot call a Ryanair all sorts of names (in Spanish) over the radio in Madrid. I think his First Officer must have felt not so comfortable.
I remember that I heared once a Vueling pilot call a Ryanair all sorts of names (in Spanish) over the radio in Madrid. I think his First Officer must have felt not so comfortable.
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Remember, Spain was the first european country with pay to fly FOs like in aeronova, you pay, you fly...you stop paying, you go to hell.
Look at swiftair full of pay to fly pilotillos. They have more CVs than vacancies, that the way aviation is nowdays.
About Vueling, here is rubbish from Xavier Franco:
Xavier Franco, jefe de la Sección Sindical de SEPLA-Vueling, opina que no se está dando la información correctamente, ya que el piloto que trabaje según la programación normal de Vueling, esto es más de 80 horas de vuelo al mes, cobrará cerca de 2.500 euros al mes. Además cree que la gente no es consciente de lo que había antes en Vueling, “antes la gente pagaba por entrar en la compañía, y no estamos hablando de ningún curso, simplemente no había ningún control de entrada y la gente pagaba para entrar”. De ahí que hubiera contratos distintos dependiendo de la procedencia de cada piloto. Para Xavier no existe un sistema irregular de ingresos en Vueling, es el piloto quien paga 16.000 euros a CAE, empresa que seguramente sí ganará dinero. Vueling aporta parte de la formación del piloto, y por ese motivo existe una cláusula de penalización, en torno a 12.000 euros por los costes de instrucción, en el caso de que el piloto se marche de la compañía después de firmar el contrato.
Look at swiftair full of pay to fly pilotillos. They have more CVs than vacancies, that the way aviation is nowdays.
About Vueling, here is rubbish from Xavier Franco:
Xavier Franco, jefe de la Sección Sindical de SEPLA-Vueling, opina que no se está dando la información correctamente, ya que el piloto que trabaje según la programación normal de Vueling, esto es más de 80 horas de vuelo al mes, cobrará cerca de 2.500 euros al mes. Además cree que la gente no es consciente de lo que había antes en Vueling, “antes la gente pagaba por entrar en la compañía, y no estamos hablando de ningún curso, simplemente no había ningún control de entrada y la gente pagaba para entrar”. De ahí que hubiera contratos distintos dependiendo de la procedencia de cada piloto. Para Xavier no existe un sistema irregular de ingresos en Vueling, es el piloto quien paga 16.000 euros a CAE, empresa que seguramente sí ganará dinero. Vueling aporta parte de la formación del piloto, y por ese motivo existe una cláusula de penalización, en torno a 12.000 euros por los costes de instrucción, en el caso de que el piloto se marche de la compañía después de firmar el contrato.
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Translation please:
Xavier Franco, head of the Association Section SEPLA-Vueling, believes that not being given the information correctly, as the pilot who works as Vueling normal programming, this is more than 80 flight hours per month, collected near 2,500 euros per month.
Further believes that people are not aware of what went before in Vueling, "before people paid to enter the company, and we're not talking about any class, just there was no control of entry and the people paid to enter." This called for different contracts depending on the source of each pilot.
Xavier no system Vueling irregular income, is the pilot who pays 16,000 euros to CAE, a company that probably will make money themselves.
Vueling providing part of the pilot training, and that is why there is a penalty clause, around 12,000 euros for costs of education, for the pilot to leave the company after signing the contract.
Please, in english so that everybody knows the real situation/news in Spain. If passengers knew....
Xavier Franco, head of the Association Section SEPLA-Vueling, believes that not being given the information correctly, as the pilot who works as Vueling normal programming, this is more than 80 flight hours per month, collected near 2,500 euros per month.
Further believes that people are not aware of what went before in Vueling, "before people paid to enter the company, and we're not talking about any class, just there was no control of entry and the people paid to enter." This called for different contracts depending on the source of each pilot.
Xavier no system Vueling irregular income, is the pilot who pays 16,000 euros to CAE, a company that probably will make money themselves.
Vueling providing part of the pilot training, and that is why there is a penalty clause, around 12,000 euros for costs of education, for the pilot to leave the company after signing the contract.
Please, in english so that everybody knows the real situation/news in Spain. If passengers knew....