The worst roster Commercial Airline flying!
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My early days of flying in Scotland we decided the definition of a DAY OFF was one where you set your alarm for 6 AM to have a beer. That way when the phone rang at 06:10 ....... Sorry I've been ......... and you got your day off. Seems like times haven't changed.
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One of the reasons I never looked back after leaving a well known german carrier was a roster that had you landing at 23.30Z, (01.30 local) with a 30 min taxi back to the airport you started at to pick up your car then home maybe at 01.00-01.30Z. My next report was at the same airport with the 30 min taxi ride to check in at 00.10 (24hrs and 25mins later) for a flight to Crete and back.
Those hours free of duty between the two taxi rides was officially and legally, according to the LBA a day off, one of the 8 you were entitled to.
Just take a moment to ponder that...you get home at 03.00 local and have to be getting showered and ready at 22.30 local the same day for a 12 hour shift and it's your day off!
3, 4 or 5 hours in a taxi before or after duty were quite common. (only half of which counted as FDP, as you were 'relaxing') Lates and earlies mixed with min rest in between were also commonplace.
Single days off such as that mentioned were the norm. If you had 2 days off together you were very fortunate. 3 days in a row was generally a rostering error and occured about as frequently as my winning the lottery.
Afaik, it's still much the same for these German carriers, the management of which virtually own the LBA. JAA/European FTL are simply ignored. So for these reasons, I would say thay was the worst roster I have ever suffered.
Those hours free of duty between the two taxi rides was officially and legally, according to the LBA a day off, one of the 8 you were entitled to.
Just take a moment to ponder that...you get home at 03.00 local and have to be getting showered and ready at 22.30 local the same day for a 12 hour shift and it's your day off!
3, 4 or 5 hours in a taxi before or after duty were quite common. (only half of which counted as FDP, as you were 'relaxing') Lates and earlies mixed with min rest in between were also commonplace.
Single days off such as that mentioned were the norm. If you had 2 days off together you were very fortunate. 3 days in a row was generally a rostering error and occured about as frequently as my winning the lottery.
Afaik, it's still much the same for these German carriers, the management of which virtually own the LBA. JAA/European FTL are simply ignored. So for these reasons, I would say thay was the worst roster I have ever suffered.
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European Regional Airline, unionized, union contract.
8-9 days off min per month, min yearly average 10/month
days off must be scheduled as 3 blocks of 53 hrs and one block of 60 hours min, with two such blocks to be scheduled as a 113 hr "superblock" once per quarter.
5 weeks vacation (consisting of 25 working days and 10 of the above off days), increasing to 6 weeks as the hairline recedes
all days off set in stone. Company pays 1,75 days worth if you "sell" a day off but this is - mostly rightfully - frowned upon by the works council.
duties may not be extended by more than 1 hour (2 hours after 2100LT) (i.e. a 7:00 reporting time may be changed to 6:00 but not to 5:55). If, leaving homebase, a delay of more than 1:45 beyond your scheduled check-out is planned, you may refuse to even leave)
Very strict but sometimes too good. Sometimes especially cabin crew seems to have a hard time judging what changes to accept beyond contractual obligations and refuse extensions as a principle even if they don't have any private appointments after check-out and could easily help the company.
About 50% of duties are single days with 2-4 legs, remainder are mostly 2-, sometimes 3-day layovers. (This being subject to change as the company timetable will be renovated for the winter season.)
8-9 days off min per month, min yearly average 10/month
days off must be scheduled as 3 blocks of 53 hrs and one block of 60 hours min, with two such blocks to be scheduled as a 113 hr "superblock" once per quarter.
5 weeks vacation (consisting of 25 working days and 10 of the above off days), increasing to 6 weeks as the hairline recedes
all days off set in stone. Company pays 1,75 days worth if you "sell" a day off but this is - mostly rightfully - frowned upon by the works council.
duties may not be extended by more than 1 hour (2 hours after 2100LT) (i.e. a 7:00 reporting time may be changed to 6:00 but not to 5:55). If, leaving homebase, a delay of more than 1:45 beyond your scheduled check-out is planned, you may refuse to even leave)
Very strict but sometimes too good. Sometimes especially cabin crew seems to have a hard time judging what changes to accept beyond contractual obligations and refuse extensions as a principle even if they don't have any private appointments after check-out and could easily help the company.
About 50% of duties are single days with 2-4 legs, remainder are mostly 2-, sometimes 3-day layovers. (This being subject to change as the company timetable will be renovated for the winter season.)
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OK try this
non EU,(weekly) roster period monday to sunday, roster issued on the last day (sunday) duty periods typically 3/4 per week, 4 sectors over 13 hours, no days off appear on the schedule (so in effect it's a rolling standby), nor included in 31 day annual leave period, no credits for national holiday days worked.. impressive huh ? that has to be one of the worst I have heard of .. and yes I have seen the offending "schedules" ... hardly legal ?
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Plenty of time off per month (av 12 days) but I do work my
bloody butt off when on duty - either 2 arduously long sectors
or a bunch of 5-6 short sectors. Can be worked up to 8 days
straight. Min rest is the norm between duty periods (11 hrs)
irrespective of dist from hotel/home to airport. 1,000 hours
limit pa but I actually average 800ish. The 1,000 hours is per
calendar year - the clock is reset at 0001 NYD so in a 365 day
cycle its possible in theory to bust that limit JARwise.
If it wasn't for the salary package and great perks Id've told
'em to shove it long ago.
bloody butt off when on duty - either 2 arduously long sectors
or a bunch of 5-6 short sectors. Can be worked up to 8 days
straight. Min rest is the norm between duty periods (11 hrs)
irrespective of dist from hotel/home to airport. 1,000 hours
limit pa but I actually average 800ish. The 1,000 hours is per
calendar year - the clock is reset at 0001 NYD so in a 365 day
cycle its possible in theory to bust that limit JARwise.
If it wasn't for the salary package and great perks Id've told
'em to shove it long ago.
