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Tomrosie,
Interesting to hear,maybe i haven't made the paper sift or don't have enough hours for a TR FO, early days though i guess. I expect with your hours and being 757 rated is more attractive maybe than 733 too.
The very fact that they are even asking would you be happy to accept a 70% contract and what would be an acceptable salary confirms they are testing the water and that they know what they are currently offering is sh*t!!
I am currently on a contract that is due to end 30th of October, if Jet2 is 70% and they even offer me an interview I may as well just go back to my current employer next spring, better the devil you know!!
Lets hope things improve, for everybodies sake as i think most have 12 month mortgages, i know i do.....Think i'll be dusting down my HGV licence for the winter!
Cheers
Interesting to hear,maybe i haven't made the paper sift or don't have enough hours for a TR FO, early days though i guess. I expect with your hours and being 757 rated is more attractive maybe than 733 too.
The very fact that they are even asking would you be happy to accept a 70% contract and what would be an acceptable salary confirms they are testing the water and that they know what they are currently offering is sh*t!!
I am currently on a contract that is due to end 30th of October, if Jet2 is 70% and they even offer me an interview I may as well just go back to my current employer next spring, better the devil you know!!
Lets hope things improve, for everybodies sake as i think most have 12 month mortgages, i know i do.....Think i'll be dusting down my HGV licence for the winter!
Cheers
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So what is the going rate for a full time FO at Jet2????
Can someone give an indication then I will know what to say if Im asked about expected salary. I don't want to undercut myself.
cheers
mint
Can someone give an indication then I will know what to say if Im asked about expected salary. I don't want to undercut myself.
cheers
mint
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Full time type rated FO: 42K.
Full time type rated Captain: 67K.
No payscale.
No type rating: expect to have to pay for type rating upfront. Going rates were 20K for 737, 17K for 757.
Expect a lower probationary salary for 6 months (FO: 36K, Captain: 61K).
There is also minor duty pay and variable sector pay.
If you ask me, FO pay is average and Captain pay is low.
Full time type rated Captain: 67K.
No payscale.
No type rating: expect to have to pay for type rating upfront. Going rates were 20K for 737, 17K for 757.
Expect a lower probationary salary for 6 months (FO: 36K, Captain: 61K).
There is also minor duty pay and variable sector pay.
If you ask me, FO pay is average and Captain pay is low.
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As a result of the policies that Tony initiated. Jet2 have been relegated to the floor. In this economic enviroment nobody will commit. What's worse is he's back rubbing salt into the wound
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Thanks Crosswind exactly what Im looking for.
So how long can one expect to be on a 70% contract before given perm 100% contract?
Are you still effectively a Jet2 employee during the 30% of the year your not working? (understand its 7 months on and 5 off)
How is the salary paid, 7 months worth spread over 12?
Roughly how much per month does duty/sector pay add up to on average?
I think the first 6 months on 70% of 36K is very harsh and to be honest that would put a big strain on my financials, and if I was required to locate then I simply can't afford it. bugger
mint
So how long can one expect to be on a 70% contract before given perm 100% contract?
Are you still effectively a Jet2 employee during the 30% of the year your not working? (understand its 7 months on and 5 off)
How is the salary paid, 7 months worth spread over 12?
Roughly how much per month does duty/sector pay add up to on average?
I think the first 6 months on 70% of 36K is very harsh and to be honest that would put a big strain on my financials, and if I was required to locate then I simply can't afford it. bugger
mint
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On the 70% deal Captain's take home around £2800/month & F/O's £1800/month during the Winter & about £350-£450/month more during the Summer. But I would also like to point out a couple of other relevant points to would be applicants that they should consider.
1) Don't rule out a 'Pay to Fly' scheme similar to EZY & a few others.
2) If your application is successful, DON'T post anything on Facebook or other Social Networking sites if you think the offer is 'crap' as you may get a 'Sorry, we don't want you. Here's a cheque in lieu of notice' letter as one poor sod found out earlier this year.
3) The 70% deal is for 7 months service during the peak season (April-Oct) with 5 months off during the lull (Nov-March) thereby shafting your chances of getting contract work as usual minimum terms are 6 month requirements.
4) You'll be flying antiquated B737-300's or B757's, maybe you should consider a more modern type, B737NG or Airbus.
5) Don't expect to make a career from the company if you're coming as an F/O. The newly elected, 'Ferrari driving' Head of the Crew Council who is responsible for negotiating Pay & other terms & conditions holds F/O's in such low regard, he said to a new F/O & Trainer on an aircraft handover, F/O's should be paid less as they are a transitory species!!!!
If you are one of the fortunate ones to receive an 'allowance from Mummy & Daddy' or have no Training debts to repay or have no mortgage & family to support then consider Jet2. However if you are one of the rest, look elsewhere. It's a great working atmosphere with excellent Trainers & fantastic Op's, Crewers, Rosterers & Engineers but that don't pay the bills.
Good luck whatever & wherever you choose.
1) Don't rule out a 'Pay to Fly' scheme similar to EZY & a few others.
2) If your application is successful, DON'T post anything on Facebook or other Social Networking sites if you think the offer is 'crap' as you may get a 'Sorry, we don't want you. Here's a cheque in lieu of notice' letter as one poor sod found out earlier this year.
3) The 70% deal is for 7 months service during the peak season (April-Oct) with 5 months off during the lull (Nov-March) thereby shafting your chances of getting contract work as usual minimum terms are 6 month requirements.
4) You'll be flying antiquated B737-300's or B757's, maybe you should consider a more modern type, B737NG or Airbus.
5) Don't expect to make a career from the company if you're coming as an F/O. The newly elected, 'Ferrari driving' Head of the Crew Council who is responsible for negotiating Pay & other terms & conditions holds F/O's in such low regard, he said to a new F/O & Trainer on an aircraft handover, F/O's should be paid less as they are a transitory species!!!!
If you are one of the fortunate ones to receive an 'allowance from Mummy & Daddy' or have no Training debts to repay or have no mortgage & family to support then consider Jet2. However if you are one of the rest, look elsewhere. It's a great working atmosphere with excellent Trainers & fantastic Op's, Crewers, Rosterers & Engineers but that don't pay the bills.
Good luck whatever & wherever you choose.
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I think I used to pay almost that much in tax and stoppages in my last job on a 733! It isn't a good deal, but if it get's you through until some better deals come round then all well and good. It's better than the £60 a week or so of job seekers allowance.
Remember that the 733 and the 757 are dead types. Boeing no longer produces them, and many airlines are chopping in old variants for newer as reporting in Flight's Global Airline Census a few weeks ago. A 73 NG rating is worth having with hours in the air too, but 733 experience is not in demand these days. If you have to pay for it Ryan Air might be a better place to spend it!
Remember that the 733 and the 757 are dead types. Boeing no longer produces them, and many airlines are chopping in old variants for newer as reporting in Flight's Global Airline Census a few weeks ago. A 73 NG rating is worth having with hours in the air too, but 733 experience is not in demand these days. If you have to pay for it Ryan Air might be a better place to spend it!
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I dont think its so bad considering the way things are....70% is better than 0% which im getting now
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Theres several diiferent discussions on here if you care to read through all the posts and I wasnt arguing like most people tend do on here I was stating a fact and my opinion if that ok with you.
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Wow - £1800 a month for an FO 
! Aviation in the UK is going down-hill fast, about time 2 fingers were stuck up to these employers.
Praying on the desperate...
If/when BA open their doors next April I hope these airlines are left high and dry.
! Aviation in the UK is going down-hill fast, about time 2 fingers were stuck up to these employers. Praying on the desperate...
If/when BA open their doors next April I hope these airlines are left high and dry.
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Aviation in the UK is going down-hill fast
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So what would be too bad then? Even if out of work, what is the lower limit? This money is crap for this job and is not defensible. Do you genuinely not understand that statements like yours are exactly what these excuses for management feed upon?
The following figures are for a large and well known UK charter company, who operate within the same market and economy.
Year, Captain, Senior First Officer, First Officer
1 £78,035 £49,381 £38,038
(sorry can't seem to maintain formatting)
Now whilst they may not be achievable for everyone right now, they are at least what one should be aspiring to.
Jet2 not only want to pay at the very lowest end they want to pay £6000 less during probation and want to bond even type rated guys for what is mandatory training under JAR. Probation was always a period of "settling in" which allowed either side to give shorter than normal notice to terminate employement. Nothing whatever to do with paying less salary for the same job (unless you need a trainer to accompany you for the whole 6 months online which would be a tad unusual). It is just one more scam to claw back a few quid for them.
They are scum (the management, in case of doubt) and if anyone needs to join them due to no work at all, then of course that is understandable and their right, but for God's sake don't justify it by saying its not too bad.
The following figures are for a large and well known UK charter company, who operate within the same market and economy.
Year, Captain, Senior First Officer, First Officer
1 £78,035 £49,381 £38,038
(sorry can't seem to maintain formatting)
Now whilst they may not be achievable for everyone right now, they are at least what one should be aspiring to.
Jet2 not only want to pay at the very lowest end they want to pay £6000 less during probation and want to bond even type rated guys for what is mandatory training under JAR. Probation was always a period of "settling in" which allowed either side to give shorter than normal notice to terminate employement. Nothing whatever to do with paying less salary for the same job (unless you need a trainer to accompany you for the whole 6 months online which would be a tad unusual). It is just one more scam to claw back a few quid for them.
They are scum (the management, in case of doubt) and if anyone needs to join them due to no work at all, then of course that is understandable and their right, but for God's sake don't justify it by saying its not too bad.
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Last year's recruitment:
No one knows what is in store for this year's recruits and as the advert is for any pilot, so long as he has an fATPL, the T&Cs could be of any combination imaginable.
Last year's recruitment drive specified type rated captains and first officers with minimum hours on type. The salaries for 100% contracts were as specified by Crosswind, post 156:
Captain: £67,000 p.a. approx.
Senior First Officer: £44,000 p.a. approx. (only after 2 years' service in JET2)
First Officer: £41,064 per annum
Compared to the salaries quoted by Starbear's post 171, then, the captains' salaries are lowish, as also the senior first officers', but the first officers' salaries are OK.
Last year the contract of employment offered was for working 7 months of the year, "summer season", and a "rest period" of 5 months. The salary offer for this contract was 70% of the salaries quoted above. So taking the first officer salary as an example, 70% of 41,064 pounds is equivalent to £28,744 per annum, which is paid over 12 months of the year, which equals £2,395 per month. Apart from the foregoing and during the summer working period and as stated by DADDY-HO in post 161, there are another £350-£450 approximately per month to be taken home for sector pay etc.
The ground training period, which lasts approximately 2 weeks did NOT fall within the Work Period (01 April-31 October), as specified above and took place in March during 2 weeks and was paid at 50% of the full time annual salary.
The bond for the ground training was for £6,000 but if you shared the SIM with another pilot it was reduced to £4,500 and the bond is for a period of 2 years.
The full 70% salary was paid with effect from the start of the work period on 1 April. After successfully completing the line training, which included 6 flights, 12 sectors in total and a final check on the 7th flight, there was a probationary period of two months, where JET2 or the employee could give each other one week's notice to quit. The normal 70% salary (£2,395 per month) was also paid during this period.
Comments:
1.
Bonding for the ground training is a bit cheeky but not unheard of in other companies. Normally it is for a lesser amount and for a period of 6 months but there are variations.
2.
JET2 almost close down in the winter months. They purchase outright older aircraft, which are cheaper and can store them in the winter without having to pay leasing costs. The company is seriously profitable.
3.
The employment contract is for 12 months of the year, so that the pilot's National Insurance is paid throughout the year.
4.
Working 7 months of the year is equivalent to working 58.333% of the year. So getting paid 70% of your annual salary for working 58.33% of the year gives you the advantage of 11.67%. This is not an unreasonable advantage since you have earned your money in the summer and getting it spread out over the year but it is still better than putting it into the bank to earn interest. There is the amount of flying hours over the summer 7 months to be considered, as well.
5.
The winter 'rest period' is not yours to do as you wish. Whatever employment you wish to undertake must be approved by JET2 in writing. Of course you ARE still employed by JET2 during your rest period, so you HAVE TO refer back to JET2 for whatever you want to do during "your" rest period. Stating specific limitations on possible employers and activities in the employment contract would be by far a fairer and more reasonable proposition.
6.
JET2 reserve the right to call on you to return to work, whenever they choose during your rest period. Again giving specific conditions to be met by JET2 would be by far a fairer and more reasonable proposition.
There are numerous arguments for and against the above contract but the best solution is to convert all 70% employment contracts into full time employment as soon as possible.
If last year there were type rated experienced pilots in the UK to be recruited on 70% contracts, this year the situation is changing substantially on a daily basis and by next year JET2 will probably need to make important changes to pilots' T&Cs to keep flying. The company is also introducing more and more destinations, which means more and more flying......
No one knows what is in store for this year's recruits and as the advert is for any pilot, so long as he has an fATPL, the T&Cs could be of any combination imaginable.
Last year's recruitment drive specified type rated captains and first officers with minimum hours on type. The salaries for 100% contracts were as specified by Crosswind, post 156:
Captain: £67,000 p.a. approx.
Senior First Officer: £44,000 p.a. approx. (only after 2 years' service in JET2)
First Officer: £41,064 per annum
Compared to the salaries quoted by Starbear's post 171, then, the captains' salaries are lowish, as also the senior first officers', but the first officers' salaries are OK.
Last year the contract of employment offered was for working 7 months of the year, "summer season", and a "rest period" of 5 months. The salary offer for this contract was 70% of the salaries quoted above. So taking the first officer salary as an example, 70% of 41,064 pounds is equivalent to £28,744 per annum, which is paid over 12 months of the year, which equals £2,395 per month. Apart from the foregoing and during the summer working period and as stated by DADDY-HO in post 161, there are another £350-£450 approximately per month to be taken home for sector pay etc.
The ground training period, which lasts approximately 2 weeks did NOT fall within the Work Period (01 April-31 October), as specified above and took place in March during 2 weeks and was paid at 50% of the full time annual salary.
The bond for the ground training was for £6,000 but if you shared the SIM with another pilot it was reduced to £4,500 and the bond is for a period of 2 years.
The full 70% salary was paid with effect from the start of the work period on 1 April. After successfully completing the line training, which included 6 flights, 12 sectors in total and a final check on the 7th flight, there was a probationary period of two months, where JET2 or the employee could give each other one week's notice to quit. The normal 70% salary (£2,395 per month) was also paid during this period.
Comments:
1.
Bonding for the ground training is a bit cheeky but not unheard of in other companies. Normally it is for a lesser amount and for a period of 6 months but there are variations.
2.
JET2 almost close down in the winter months. They purchase outright older aircraft, which are cheaper and can store them in the winter without having to pay leasing costs. The company is seriously profitable.
3.
The employment contract is for 12 months of the year, so that the pilot's National Insurance is paid throughout the year.
4.
Working 7 months of the year is equivalent to working 58.333% of the year. So getting paid 70% of your annual salary for working 58.33% of the year gives you the advantage of 11.67%. This is not an unreasonable advantage since you have earned your money in the summer and getting it spread out over the year but it is still better than putting it into the bank to earn interest. There is the amount of flying hours over the summer 7 months to be considered, as well.
5.
The winter 'rest period' is not yours to do as you wish. Whatever employment you wish to undertake must be approved by JET2 in writing. Of course you ARE still employed by JET2 during your rest period, so you HAVE TO refer back to JET2 for whatever you want to do during "your" rest period. Stating specific limitations on possible employers and activities in the employment contract would be by far a fairer and more reasonable proposition.
6.
JET2 reserve the right to call on you to return to work, whenever they choose during your rest period. Again giving specific conditions to be met by JET2 would be by far a fairer and more reasonable proposition.
There are numerous arguments for and against the above contract but the best solution is to convert all 70% employment contracts into full time employment as soon as possible.
If last year there were type rated experienced pilots in the UK to be recruited on 70% contracts, this year the situation is changing substantially on a daily basis and by next year JET2 will probably need to make important changes to pilots' T&Cs to keep flying. The company is also introducing more and more destinations, which means more and more flying......
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Couldn't agree with you more Starbear!!
Jet2 are obviously relying are desperate individuals, the more i hear i wish i hadn't wasted the time applying now as my answer to 70% would be NO and as a TR FO on the 737 my answer to a 2 year bond would be
off!!
The position of FO is becoming more and more devalued everyday and until we stop accepting being shafted it will continue, they can't fly without us remember
Now is the time to say NO as the market is set to improve, if the company is seriously profitable as quoted by DjerbaDevil then I am sure they can find room for improvement if everyone says NO.......................
Personally I think the reason they are recruiting early is to get people on crap T&C's before the market improves.....
Jet2 are obviously relying are desperate individuals, the more i hear i wish i hadn't wasted the time applying now as my answer to 70% would be NO and as a TR FO on the 737 my answer to a 2 year bond would be
off!!The position of FO is becoming more and more devalued everyday and until we stop accepting being shafted it will continue, they can't fly without us remember
Now is the time to say NO as the market is set to improve, if the company is seriously profitable as quoted by DjerbaDevil then I am sure they can find room for improvement if everyone says NO.......................
Personally I think the reason they are recruiting early is to get people on crap T&C's before the market improves.....
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Market improving?
Sorry, can someone point me to the actual evidence of an improving job market in the UK please?
I can't see any improvement. Who else is recruiting?
Or, are we just "talking to make ourselves feel better"?
The economy is moribund. A double dip recession may be upon us. 600,000 well paid, previously secure public sector jobs are to be cut (sone of those people will never work again) and house prices are dropping again.
Feel good? Not to me.
I can't see any improvement. Who else is recruiting?
Or, are we just "talking to make ourselves feel better"?
The economy is moribund. A double dip recession may be upon us. 600,000 well paid, previously secure public sector jobs are to be cut (sone of those people will never work again) and house prices are dropping again.
Feel good? Not to me.