Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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fly dubai is also hiring now again!
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Direct Entry Captains - Middle East - Aviation
flydubai began operations on 01 June 2009 and, in little over one year, has expanded its fleet to 9 aircraft flying to 22 destinations. With more brand new Next-Generation Boeing 737s on order and a delivery schedule that sees an aircraft delivered every month until the end of 2011, flydubai is now the Middle East's fastest growing low-cost carrier and is looking for Boeing 737 captains to become part of the success story.
So, if you're type-rated on B737-300 to 900 (NG/EFIS) aircraft, current within the last 24 months and have a minimum of 5,000 hours total flying time with an overall command time of 1,500 hours (of which 1,000 hours are in command of B737-300 to 900 NG/EFIS type aircraft), we're keen to hear from you.
In addition to a tax-free salary of approximately USD 14,000 per month, which includes housing and transport allowances, we provide free medical, loss of licence and life insurance cover, an educational support allowance for up to 3 children and the opportunity to live in the vibrant and culturally-diverse commercial hub of the Middle East that's got something to offer everyone.
We're not able to respond to all applicants. Only those selected for interview will be contacted.
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supersted you stink of something far worse.
Man you spend so much time on the ryanair forums , i wonder if you failed the selection process and unfortunatley had to go to Eze jet. maybe your mum did not give you enough cuddles.
Man you spend so much time on the ryanair forums , i wonder if you failed the selection process and unfortunatley had to go to Eze jet. maybe your mum did not give you enough cuddles.
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There has been no talk of crews doing regular out of base rotations, suffering from constant roster alterations or being under continual pressure to work a 6th day.
Maybe there not doing it to crews in the bigger bases to hide whats really going on?
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lots of guys are being asked to work days off, otherwise the standby cover is too thin - i can only assume due to people leaving in greater than expected numbers
its a neat trick whereby pilot A is asked to work a day off and thinks oh good extra dosh. Pilot B who was originally rostered that flight as part of his normal work pattern is put on standby. then they do the same thing in reverse. both pilots may think they're gaining, if they havent thought it through. but they're actually both losing and the cost to the company is zero. i suppose this allows you to generate standby cover in any quantity required, meaning you can operate the same schedule, robustly, with fewer pilots and save ££££. if you think about it - there isn't much incentive to work days off.
its a neat trick whereby pilot A is asked to work a day off and thinks oh good extra dosh. Pilot B who was originally rostered that flight as part of his normal work pattern is put on standby. then they do the same thing in reverse. both pilots may think they're gaining, if they havent thought it through. but they're actually both losing and the cost to the company is zero. i suppose this allows you to generate standby cover in any quantity required, meaning you can operate the same schedule, robustly, with fewer pilots and save ££££. if you think about it - there isn't much incentive to work days off.
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Only partially accurate. If I'm not doing anything at home, I'll generally work days off as each one gets me £230 net plus the flight pay. If they take another day's flights away to put me on sby, I'm still £230 up, and that will have cost the company that amount plus 40% in tax. It's the contractors who don't get any extra as they don't get "day off payments", so in their shoes I'd refuse to work days off. I'll do the 900 per year either wway, so the total flight pay will be the same, but for every day off I work, thats another £230 I wasn't expecting.
As said, though, some thing's going on because there seem to be a lot more Capts working days off, more FOs covering other bases and even Base Captains flying weekends. FOs going through the command selection and training programmes are being given all sorts of promises as to base requests, not necessarily for their original base if it's a popular one, but assurances are being made of getting their first choice of available slots and a "soon as possible" transfer to their prime desired base.
There is no doubt we're short of commanders and are losing too many eligible promotees. Sadly, cadets are two-a-penny, so I suspect they will continue to get an ever decreasing value of contracts, but I hope the shortage of command material will encourage the company to look after its senior FOs and Capts more appropriately.
As said, though, some thing's going on because there seem to be a lot more Capts working days off, more FOs covering other bases and even Base Captains flying weekends. FOs going through the command selection and training programmes are being given all sorts of promises as to base requests, not necessarily for their original base if it's a popular one, but assurances are being made of getting their first choice of available slots and a "soon as possible" transfer to their prime desired base.
There is no doubt we're short of commanders and are losing too many eligible promotees. Sadly, cadets are two-a-penny, so I suspect they will continue to get an ever decreasing value of contracts, but I hope the shortage of command material will encourage the company to look after its senior FOs and Capts more appropriately.
the questions are always thye same with loads of people stuck in bases they dont want to be and many now on 5 /3 trying to commute.
'any chance of a transfer to xyz'....... 'not for a year'
'how about any base in the uk?'......'not this year'
The way i see is that if your living away from home you may aswell go to the desert and get more money.
'any chance of a transfer to xyz'....... 'not for a year'
'how about any base in the uk?'......'not this year'
The way i see is that if your living away from home you may aswell go to the desert and get more money.
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Plenty of people are being asked to work days off across all the bases at the moment, as described above. Unfortunately it's untrue that all command upgrades are getting their base of choice.
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Mikehotel152,
Have the same situation, asked to work 2 off days, and I'm pretty sure that, my 'on' days will change to sby.
Must say I really dont know what their plan is, I worked one day out of five this block and I see there are at least 2 out of base f/o's at our base. Surely its cheaper to fly us, as they dont have to pay the extra 20, for out of base flying....whats up?
Also coming up to command, about 2700 hours now, I have a young family and am wondering how it will work commuting on a 5/3.
If the desert option is better for family life, that will have to be the one I take.
They really have to introduce some seniority list for bases, I cant be stuck in some sheit hole with no concrete promise of a desirable base so I can settle said family there.
We shall see what they come up with, if anything, commuting indefinitely on a 5/3 with a family is simply not an option.
Have the same situation, asked to work 2 off days, and I'm pretty sure that, my 'on' days will change to sby.
Must say I really dont know what their plan is, I worked one day out of five this block and I see there are at least 2 out of base f/o's at our base. Surely its cheaper to fly us, as they dont have to pay the extra 20, for out of base flying....whats up?
Also coming up to command, about 2700 hours now, I have a young family and am wondering how it will work commuting on a 5/3.
If the desert option is better for family life, that will have to be the one I take.
They really have to introduce some seniority list for bases, I cant be stuck in some sheit hole with no concrete promise of a desirable base so I can settle said family there.
We shall see what they come up with, if anything, commuting indefinitely on a 5/3 with a family is simply not an option.
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Leave, people. LEAVE ! As soon as you can.
Nothing in it for the rest of us, 2 quarter losses again this winter, status-quo.
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Why's PB going round the bases? What's the point? Does he really think that going round the bases asking guys to stay will make any difference? Does he really think he has that much clout and think everyone thinks so much of him that if we think we've upset him by looking to move that we'll immediately reverse any plans or decisions that have already been made?
Why can't they see that all they've got to do is to stop treating us like poo, and provide an incentive to get promoted!! Cash and a stable home life (trying to commute from the southern tip of Italy on a 5/3 roster is no life) would be a start. Then we can take it from there.
I know EK has many imperfections, but they are few compared with the crap we have to put up with here and it should come as no surprise that people are looking to leave in whatever numbers, tens, hundreds, thousands who knows.
Whats going to happen when the economy finally picks up and other airlines open their doors - BA, Virgin, Cathay etc etc. FR wont have anyone left. But their constant short sightedness wont allow them to see that, particularly if they truely believe that PB on a begging mission will make the slightest difference. It wont.
Why can't they see that all they've got to do is to stop treating us like poo, and provide an incentive to get promoted!! Cash and a stable home life (trying to commute from the southern tip of Italy on a 5/3 roster is no life) would be a start. Then we can take it from there.
I know EK has many imperfections, but they are few compared with the crap we have to put up with here and it should come as no surprise that people are looking to leave in whatever numbers, tens, hundreds, thousands who knows.
Whats going to happen when the economy finally picks up and other airlines open their doors - BA, Virgin, Cathay etc etc. FR wont have anyone left. But their constant short sightedness wont allow them to see that, particularly if they truely believe that PB on a begging mission will make the slightest difference. It wont.
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The content of the PB visits
Can anyone who attended the recent Peter Bellew info sessions shed some light on the actual topics of discussions?
Of course there's some instance of it directed at getting people to stay in the company, but were there actually any promises (not that that'd be worth anything). E.g. base changes, upgrades with better conditions etc.
Of course there's some instance of it directed at getting people to stay in the company, but were there actually any promises (not that that'd be worth anything). E.g. base changes, upgrades with better conditions etc.
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Emirates Pilot roadshows are planned for London on the following dates ..
20th Sept Gatwick
21st Sept Stanstead
22nd Sept Stanstead
23rd Sept Luton
24th Sept Manchester
I suppose it will be in the press in the near future ! !
They need lots of pilots ..If you read the Emirates press 2 widebodies to be delivered every month for the next 12 years ....
777, 380 , 350 etc etc
Good luck
Stay tuned .
20th Sept Gatwick
21st Sept Stanstead
22nd Sept Stanstead
23rd Sept Luton
24th Sept Manchester
I suppose it will be in the press in the near future ! !
They need lots of pilots ..If you read the Emirates press 2 widebodies to be delivered every month for the next 12 years ....
777, 380 , 350 etc etc
Good luck
Stay tuned .
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They still give you the same promisses as they always did:
EK is a good company.
You will fly nice aircraft.
Upgrade is 3 years +
Commuting is not forseen.
Basically, it's the truth.
EK is a good company.
You will fly nice aircraft.
Upgrade is 3 years +
Commuting is not forseen.
Basically, it's the truth.
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smoke and mirrors
I have heard so much talk over the last month from different sources in multiple bases about Capts and FOs leaving in larger numbers than the number that appeared in a memo today. Why even send a memo like this if you are not trying to stop the rumours. To state that we have enough crew simply doesnt stick. Something is going badly wrong at the moment whether it be a staff or roster problem.
On the topic of working extra days, I have like others been asked to work days off.
Reference being asked to work a 5 day week plus an off day which then turns into 4 and 2 standbys, that has never happened for me and I can only think it is to enable there to be cover which would not have been unless someone worked a day off in some of the bigger bases.
As we approach the winter with reducing flights this might be enough to ease the problem but it will come back with a bang next year.
On the topic of working extra days, I have like others been asked to work days off.
Reference being asked to work a 5 day week plus an off day which then turns into 4 and 2 standbys, that has never happened for me and I can only think it is to enable there to be cover which would not have been unless someone worked a day off in some of the bigger bases.
As we approach the winter with reducing flights this might be enough to ease the problem but it will come back with a bang next year.
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Maybe they planned to work the roster this way, using up much more hours in the summer and spreading the flying thinner over the winter, trying to streamline the number of crew, but they're having problems already this summer and the new aircraft combined with losses to EK and elsewhere (some guys in their mid 30s are giving up on aviation altogether and retraining in other professions), and we could well end up next summer in the position EZY are currently facing.
I thing the company really needs to up its game with terms and conditions as well as pay scales if it's not going to face melt down next summer. But, then, what would I know as a line shag?
I thing the company really needs to up its game with terms and conditions as well as pay scales if it's not going to face melt down next summer. But, then, what would I know as a line shag?