easyJet pilots, your management are taking the piss now
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beachbud you have since edited and removed your second sentence from your original post. I'm paraphrasing from memory so apologies for any errors:
"or any other airlines acting as a flight school".
All airlines train pilots. Some take 250TT fATPLers, some ask for a TR attained elsewhere first, some (such as Virgin) ask for 2,500TT. All airlines train pilots in some form. However, only a few ask pilots to contribute financially towards already revenue generating flights and hopefully it can be combated effectively.
Your post led me to believe that you were passing on information to someone/something that could bring this to light to a larger audience. I merely advised you to be aware that this argument should be presented rationally. It is clear we have to distinguish between this scheme and how airlines have traditionally operated with respect to pilot training. You have to be able to cover your bases and the comment you made (even though the sentiment was correct) would leave what you are trying to achieve open to criticism.
As for the rest of your comments in the above post I agree wholeheartedly.
I don't know what your outlet is however we all need to be aware that the media tend to soup up a story as it tends to sell more copy.
"or any other airlines acting as a flight school".
All airlines train pilots. Some take 250TT fATPLers, some ask for a TR attained elsewhere first, some (such as Virgin) ask for 2,500TT. All airlines train pilots in some form. However, only a few ask pilots to contribute financially towards already revenue generating flights and hopefully it can be combated effectively.
Your post led me to believe that you were passing on information to someone/something that could bring this to light to a larger audience. I merely advised you to be aware that this argument should be presented rationally. It is clear we have to distinguish between this scheme and how airlines have traditionally operated with respect to pilot training. You have to be able to cover your bases and the comment you made (even though the sentiment was correct) would leave what you are trying to achieve open to criticism.
As for the rest of your comments in the above post I agree wholeheartedly.
I don't know what your outlet is however we all need to be aware that the media tend to soup up a story as it tends to sell more copy.
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Thanks for your comments. Removed that post as you rightly pointed out it could be misleading. Dont worry, we will be stating nothing more than facts and it will be quite clear as to our intent. Best.
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Training within an airline is a cost, with a bond, maybe, but a cost.
But these programs are not a cost. They are a bussiness, where those who buy "the product" are the pilots.
It is simply perverse, and I am convinced that it is not legal, though it seems to be.
But these programs are not a cost. They are a bussiness, where those who buy "the product" are the pilots.
It is simply perverse, and I am convinced that it is not legal, though it seems to be.
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Training within an airline is a cost, with a bond, maybe, but a cost.
Which is why it is morally indefinsible and utterly WRONG to charge the trainee for this. In ANY way. A properly run company doesn't even need to bond because it suffers so little wastage due to the loyalty of its employees...
Fuel is a cost too, so is maintenance. Are we to be bamboozled into subsidising the airline for this too in future?
When this industry regains it's sense of morality (Ha! Pigs might fly!) it may also regain its place as one of the highly regarded places of work. Right now it seems to me that airlines are on the moral level of rapists and kiddie-fiddlers with these obscene con tricks and rip-offs that are being perpetrated on desperate rich kids, while the dedicated hours-builders of yesteryear remain in the weeds, unable to compete.
Ps. A type rating on any of the medium sized jets is obtainable at something like 13,000Eu at a major and very impessive training facility I know in Holland...
The airlines involved in this style of training are guilty of nothing less than fraud, imho.
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Well put Agaricus/MB2002
While executives have targets assigned by shareholders resulting in juicy bonuses, the unending search for efficiencies and the eroding of T&C's to align us with bus drivers will not cease.
Does the EUR 13,000 TR include a base check?
While executives have targets assigned by shareholders resulting in juicy bonuses, the unending search for efficiencies and the eroding of T&C's to align us with bus drivers will not cease.
Does the EUR 13,000 TR include a base check?
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No it doesn't.
I saw that advertisement in AMS a few months ago.
Times are not good for TRTOs, right now, because fewer and fewer people are taking the risk of self sponsoring their TRs (of which I am glad). That's why we have "sales" now. But the base training is the problem. Along with the problem of keeping currency in type without actually flying the airplane.
They say that JAR FCL, right now, permits renewing type rating without the 10 sector in 12 months requierement. All you have to do is the sim. So you can be a 737 or 320 rated pilot for 30 years if you do 4 hours sim each year. Amazing, isn't it?
So maybe they will eliminate the requirement for a base training in the real airplane, too. In order to help the TRTOs in these times of crisis. They are suffering so much...
I saw that advertisement in AMS a few months ago.
Times are not good for TRTOs, right now, because fewer and fewer people are taking the risk of self sponsoring their TRs (of which I am glad). That's why we have "sales" now. But the base training is the problem. Along with the problem of keeping currency in type without actually flying the airplane.
They say that JAR FCL, right now, permits renewing type rating without the 10 sector in 12 months requierement. All you have to do is the sim. So you can be a 737 or 320 rated pilot for 30 years if you do 4 hours sim each year. Amazing, isn't it?
So maybe they will eliminate the requirement for a base training in the real airplane, too. In order to help the TRTOs in these times of crisis. They are suffering so much...
