Easyjet flexycrew

[SinBin]

Prototype, stop trolling! You know nothing, including basic English!

[massiveheed]

Sinbin, whether or not prototype knows anything he is perhaps by luck rather than judgement accurate in his assessment of this contract. Expect no guarantee of hours , paid by flying block hours and no positioning pay and no sick pay. It's a s**t deal and if you are in a position to do so steer well clear

[SinBin]

Well it's better than the dole, which is what I and 100+ others from bmi will have in May!

[Tubbs]

I don't think it is better that the dole and I speak from experience (of the dole that is), but you're entitled to your opinion. By accepting the terms of this scheme, you're setting (or reinforcing) a precedent which will lower the bar again and will probably come round and bite you in the future. I'm not just talking about new entrants, because this kind of thing is trickling up and well as down the ladder.

It's been said many time before on this forum, but I'll say it again: companies do not have consciences, they do not care about you and they are run by accountants. When put under pressure (i.e. erosion of terms and conditions) the workforce will either react against the pressure or accept the changes. Management will then gauge this reaction and act accordingly. That's how MOL works and that's how every company works.

As is generally accepted, the rot set in with people paying for type ratings and has propagated to other companies when the accountants saw that the workforce were willing to be pushed in that direction. If you're one of those people "it was my only option" or "well, it got me a job and I'm now making £xxxk with Ryanair/Airasia" or "it's just the way the industry is going"....etc etc....I don't buy it, so don't bother trying to justify it. Well done, and I'm sure you very comfortable wherever you are, but remember you have to take some responsibility for the state of the industry.

In response to one of the earlier questions from Mixmaster about posting recruitment info here, I have a tip for you: if it appears on PPrune you're already too late. Maybe you would like me to PM you some info when jobs come up? Shall I write to the DFO on your behalf? I'm sure he'd be receptive if you offer to pay for your TR and fly for free during your line training....

[SinBin]

Ok, so why have I had an email yesterday from Parc via the head of recruitment at Easy saying that the position will go permanent from December? I think it's worth the risk, don't you? maybe you'd like the dole but having been used to a steady A320 job for the last 3 years on a pretty good income and now being laid off, I don't think I could live on c.£80 a week! And providing I do 500hrs over the summer, which is what I have been told by the same person, I should get around about £3500 net a month on the £67 p/hr rate. THIS IS NOT CTC. You don't need to tell me about Ts and Cs, I've watched my job disappear whilst PTF s take my seat! Lots of bollocks on PPrune, written by people with very little idea and don't even work at Easy!

If you'd like to tell my son that we have to move from a 4 bed detached house to a 1 bedroom flat on income support to appease you then please do, I doubt it will happen though! And a permanent job possibility is worth any 7 months contracting. I AM NOT PAYING TO FLY A320s AND NEVER HAVE DONE IT IS NOT THE SAME!

[stansdead]

SINBIN,

I sympathise with your position of being an experienced A320 Pilot who is desperately in need of work.

As a father myself, I totally understand your need to protect your family. Like you, I would fight to the death to protect my wife and child.

However, I am concerned by the assertion that the "job will become permanent" in December statement...

...on what terms? Less than previously, or on old t's and c's?...

...why December? That seems an odd month to me to be recruited permanently. Unless of course you aren't given any flying from October and are then desperate to accept a lowball offer...

...be wary of what's going on here. I appreciate that you aren't a PTF Pilot, but you can easily deteriorate everything still further if you aren't wary of the way these people are thinking.

I genuinely wish you the best of luck.

[The Mixmaster]

Tubbs..it's all well and good claiming there are jobs out there for NEW FO's and saying people shouldn't accept the likes of Ryanair. Unfortunately, as stated by menikoss, both Loganair and Air Contractors stated that they require at least a Type Rating before giving due consideration to applicants. And yes I applied to both before you came on here making sweeping statements about how there are jobs out there for NEW FO's.

Unfortunately for those with a freshly minted CPL/IR, Ryanair is pretty much the only option with any chance of a successful outcome. Of course those with contacts never have this problem.

In answer to your other questions, there are no jobs in air charter nor instructing.

Thanks for your help though

[spgon]

Ok, so why have I had an email yesterday from Parc via the head of recruitment at Easy saying that the position will go permanent from December?

This is simply disgusting. There are dozens of pilots with thousand of hours on A320 who have passed the assessment for direct entry pilots at easyjet in summer 2008, we all have a letter signed by HR saying that they will call us as soon as a position arise, then we were all told “sorry we were wrong easy no longer needs you as we will fill all our vacancies with contract pilots” and now we find that permanent jobs are promised to someone else who will not even attend their selection.
To all those who are going to bend themselves trough this flexy scam, be advised, this is the kind of cheats you can expect from your prospective employer, don't hold your breath for that permanent position in December, they will certainly find someone else in the mean time who is ready to take it at lower conditions than you, in the same way you are taking the job which was promised to me at lower conditions.

[stansdead]

spgon

The whole point is that easyJet/CTC/PARC whoever, will tell gullible souls that "the contract will go permanent in December" in order to get them roped in.

Then, sure a permanent contract will arise, but most likely not in December (when airlines are quiet - except the week before Xmas). They will give you virtually no flying, but will of course expect your loyalty to sit on standby (unpaid) in case they need you.

Then, the faint whiff of a permanent contract will raise it's head again just before you realise that it's all a load of sh1t and off to do something else..... that's the point.

Extraordinary really. Why, as intelligent people we accept this garbage. It really annoys me.

(It's not just easy mind you. My benevolent employer thinks it can arbitrarily change EVERY contract without negotiation next month. It is also paying Captains a take home of 4000E a month now for the new joiners.....)

An accident's coming. Believe me. We struggle to attract any quality in our industry by paying ludicrously low money. Peanuts. Monkeys. But, the "managers" are so clever for managing this situation with such vision.

I look forward to seeing the exodus when things pick up. I will, however, be long gone before that day arrives. I think I may become an MP. Or a Civil Servant. That looks easy money.

[SinBin]

We are attending Easyjet selection with Easyjet HR and Easyjet training captains who used to work in my current airline, it's not my fault! In 2008 the whole industry came crashing down, we all know this! We're all experienced FOs not cadets going for this. If it's not right at the end of the contract then hopefully other avenues will be available, much can happen between now and then.

[SinBin]

er ...no! And I know what you mean!

[GG5]

Reality check

What a load off bull on this thread. Sin Bin... i agree with you. Do what you have to to provide for your family and make a living. At the end of the day regardless of what all these morons have to say.. they look out for themselves. Case in point... if you easyjet guys hate this contract.. then why aern't your pilots standing up to it with the management??? Go on strike!!! PROTECT YOUR TERMS and YOUR FUTURES. Its only because you'll know its a tough industry to be in and glad to atleast have a job, you'll do nothing. You'd be kidding yourself to think that the industry is going to turnaround overnight. Its people at the top that need to take a stand and they are the ones that are safe so don't bother. We all talk about being part of a community but when we get the big job, we dont give a until it affects our position or pay. Its the same when it comes to Pay as you go cadets... everyone disagrees with it .. but no one does anything!! Balpa is biggest piece of out there. And no matter how you look at it .. the contract is still 3 times as much as minimum wage so .. you tell me.. keep flying and staying current or work at tescos for minimum wage and wait for that tiny glow of an upturn that everyone thinks is going to happen by the end of the summer (NOT!!).

The only time i would take someone's advice is if they had some credibility. Just moaning about it means nothing .. so I would like to see how many of you easyjet guys take a stand. The bottom line is the airline was built on the framework of low cost.. so get used to it. Its hasn't happened overnight. You guys put up with the crap of having to buy your own uniform and work on lower terms compared to other airlines and unless you as a company do something... you cant expect people that are looking to make a living to protect your contracts. At the end of the day.. i would rather have a contract pilot with experience flying with me than a pay as you go cadet. So trust me your better off with these guys otherwise those seats are going to be filled up with cadets whether you like it or not.

[The flying bob]

God bless America...!! we all became slaves of a system based an the fear.

I worked for EZY for a year and remember how everything was perfectly set to make people betray their colleagues based on the simple fact that the company had to always come first...
This is exactly what is happening today! You guys are freaking out, thinking (and what's more normal) that you could lose everything by saying a word that wouldn't please the management...

this is our world, this is our new economics system, using humans as sponge you squeeze as required. We won't get rid of it unless no one accepts these conditions....... But we know this won't happen!
So let's forget about your strikes and your Balpa, no one is mad enough to risk his life for others.

I wish I had listened to my family and had never started this training. We will be treated like crap whatever one can say or pretend here. The airlines decide, we comply.

Good luck

[Harry Shyters]

SinBin, why aren't you trying the sandpit? As one of Thomson's junior pilots I too find myself looking for work. I've had offers to stay in UK on a poor deal, summer contract only or go to a permanent position somewhere hot on a new plane and do something different. I'm under no illusion that hot and dusty = nirvana but it's better than being bent over and royally shafted by CTC and easyjet. Plenty of your fellow ex-BMI'ers heading to Qatar.

As an outsider looking at some of the previous posts, if the situation turns worse here, how easy is it for the company to walk away from that "promise". You'll have nowhere to go. Did it mention as well where the permanent position was? Was it to remain as flexicrew with CTC on a "permanent" attachment to easyJet rather like a brookfield contract with RYR? One where you'll have no real security - it's far easier to lay off a contractor for a season.

You might not be a PTF but you're doing your bit to aid and abet the drop to the bottom in UK aviation. Read the article in the latest edition of The Log about Colgan Air and look at what pass for Ts and Cs in the US.
Wind this flexiscrew stuff on a few years. Most work in the UK industry gets done in summer. Large numbers of pilots only hired for the summer. Said pilots unlikely to get work for winter - therefore no winter ops experience. How ready would they be for any kind of career progression with that kind of background? It's pants and anyone with experience should be looking elsewhere (there's plenty of boeing or airbus work going globally).

HS

[SinBin]

You're not reading my posts, sandpit is not an option to me, it's marriage and family (and sanity) or work! I'm not touching CTC! The only real thing that is ruining Ts and Cs is the weakness of unions and a global recession, not little old me trying to keep a baked bean on the table for my family and a roof over our heads! I'll do what I have to for that!

If being treated like a second class citizen in someone else's culture and country suits you, then go for it. But please read my posts before posting nonsense! I'm not ex bmi yet either!

[Gary Lager]

SinBin, I sympathise with the limited choices you have. It must be an appalling position to be in. As a EZY pilot of some years, (also ex-Derby Airways), my only advice is this: when you are doing the sums to see if this deal will work for you, do not include in your calculations
a) that the position will go permanent in December nor
b) that you will get 500hrs over the summer.
Both those would seem a bit unlikely given what we know, though it is true that we are cancelling flights through lack of crew at the moment. Summer Leave for us regulars is extremely scarce, so we are all 'competing' for the same flights, and if there is at all a choice for rostering about which crews are not scheduled to fly on days when there are adequate (i.e. bare minimum) crews, you can bet it will be you guys that get grounded.

Are you also aware that the pay-per-flying-hour appears to be based on scheduled block times, not actual flying hours flown?

If, on consideration, it still sounds like a good deal for you though, fine. Do just bear in mind that talk from Parc/EZY is extremely cheap! Believe nothing you are told until it is written on a legally-enforceable contract. (even then, be sceptical...just ask the CTC cadets who were contracted to be employed solely 'subject to performance' who were then dropped after their 6 months was up!)

[eagle21]

So it seems like Parc is offering a much better deal than CTC Flexicrew. Who does the reruitment for CTC or Parc???

Will candidates go through the full easyjet selection?

[X-BleedOpen]

EDIT: Sorry, have checked the documents on my e-mail, I had an older version. Just got the new one from a friend. PARC conditions are quite better yes.

Do you guys know if PARC is still making assestments or if they finish allready with screenings?

[flyprototype]

Do you guys know if PARC is still making assestments or if they finish allready with screenings?

depends of you.

do you have money? if yes, in this case they will select you.
no money? sorry, assessment has been now closed...(come back when you have the cash!)

[EpsilonVaz]

Remember, with Parc you are self employed, so with the extra tax you have to pay and some other items that I cannot remember off the top of my head after a 14 hour duty, it works out similar to CTC.

flyprototype, by all means, have a moan, but please get your facts straight, Parc are only contracting people with A320 hours for EZY.