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No it does not at all:
that so called paycut was a compensation rather then an allowance.
To compensate for the loss of sector's compared to other bases (to make it equal to other bases actually)
To compensate for the absurd high rent prices over there, which is still the case.
@ Narrow: you have no clue what it's like there.
To compensate for all that nightflying. Flight crew has check in at 10 and work throughout the night to come back at 7am and be destroyed for the rest of the day. Off course the following day has a 4.50am check in.
There was an excellent post by another user explaining in detail how things are going there but this post has been removed by...??
Obviously the truth may not be heard.
Good luck.
that so called paycut was a compensation rather then an allowance.
To compensate for the loss of sector's compared to other bases (to make it equal to other bases actually)
To compensate for the absurd high rent prices over there, which is still the case.
@ Narrow: you have no clue what it's like there.
To compensate for all that nightflying. Flight crew has check in at 10 and work throughout the night to come back at 7am and be destroyed for the rest of the day. Off course the following day has a 4.50am check in.
There was an excellent post by another user explaining in detail how things are going there but this post has been removed by...??
Obviously the truth may not be heard.
Good luck.
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@ Aviapartner. Yes, I do know how it is in Bucharest and No, You are not telling the complete story.
The €1200 was most DEFINITELY NOT a "compensation" for anything.
It was a housing allowance. And nothing else.
I was, for my sins, a Base Captain at a different but equally undesirable Wizz Air base.
All the pilots on my base were adamant that they wanted an allowance as well. For accommodation or lack of sectors - call it what you like, but it was flatly refused by senior management. And coincidentally caused me a lot of sh1t into the bargain - but that is another story altogether.
The accommodation used to be insanely expensive in Bucharest, but it has been established that many Wizz Air pilots were sharing a fully serviced 2 bed apartment for €1200 between them a month at a place well known to Wizz Air management - the company hotel!!!.
I used to have to pay €750 per months plus bills in KTW. I didn't receive an allowance, nor did anyone else.
Now, the night flying is a matter that I totally agree with: you should receive far higher sector pay for each night sector you fly. But, your removed allowance was not a compensation for night flying or anything other than compensating for expensive accommodation.
Once management visited Bucharest and witnessed, first hand, the accommodation on offer for a very reasonable sum they removed your allowance incrementally by €100 per month - beginning some 6 months after the announcement.
I am sorry you feel hard done by, but the deal wasn't on offer anywhere else.
The night flying is a different matter entirely, and one which your Head of Flight Ops should be tasked with sorting out.
I know it is an emotive subject, and I don't agree with allowances being taken away (or wages decreasing), but it was never going to last for ever.
The €1200 was most DEFINITELY NOT a "compensation" for anything.
It was a housing allowance. And nothing else.
I was, for my sins, a Base Captain at a different but equally undesirable Wizz Air base.
All the pilots on my base were adamant that they wanted an allowance as well. For accommodation or lack of sectors - call it what you like, but it was flatly refused by senior management. And coincidentally caused me a lot of sh1t into the bargain - but that is another story altogether.
The accommodation used to be insanely expensive in Bucharest, but it has been established that many Wizz Air pilots were sharing a fully serviced 2 bed apartment for €1200 between them a month at a place well known to Wizz Air management - the company hotel!!!.
I used to have to pay €750 per months plus bills in KTW. I didn't receive an allowance, nor did anyone else.
Now, the night flying is a matter that I totally agree with: you should receive far higher sector pay for each night sector you fly. But, your removed allowance was not a compensation for night flying or anything other than compensating for expensive accommodation.
Once management visited Bucharest and witnessed, first hand, the accommodation on offer for a very reasonable sum they removed your allowance incrementally by €100 per month - beginning some 6 months after the announcement.
I am sorry you feel hard done by, but the deal wasn't on offer anywhere else.
The night flying is a different matter entirely, and one which your Head of Flight Ops should be tasked with sorting out.
I know it is an emotive subject, and I don't agree with allowances being taken away (or wages decreasing), but it was never going to last for ever.
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Dear Aviapartner,
I must agree with Narrow RWY, 1200 E is a lot to compensate for the "loss" (why loss?) of sectors. If each sector is paid at let say E30 (FO) then it compensate some 40 sectors per month which is not fair towards other bases
As far as absurd high rent prices are concern, you should first go to WAW, PRG or GDN and then reconsider making that statement about BBU.
Also we all signed contract where it is mentioned about not social hrs and weekends. We can do some night flying from any base, I think there is some night time being done at SOF (correct me if I'm wrong).
I also agree that the night sectors should be paid more, but again not only in Bucharest.
it would be great to receive some housing allowance
But, please share with us the truth you refer to at the end of your post, I would love to hear all the opinions.
Take care!
I must agree with Narrow RWY, 1200 E is a lot to compensate for the "loss" (why loss?) of sectors. If each sector is paid at let say E30 (FO) then it compensate some 40 sectors per month which is not fair towards other bases
As far as absurd high rent prices are concern, you should first go to WAW, PRG or GDN and then reconsider making that statement about BBU.
Also we all signed contract where it is mentioned about not social hrs and weekends. We can do some night flying from any base, I think there is some night time being done at SOF (correct me if I'm wrong).
I also agree that the night sectors should be paid more, but again not only in Bucharest.
it would be great to receive some housing allowance
But, please share with us the truth you refer to at the end of your post, I would love to hear all the opinions.
Take care!
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Originally Posted by Narrow Runway
The €1200 was most DEFINITELY NOT a "compensation" for anything.
Back in 2008 it was officially called housing allowance compensation for those being based in BBU, due to the unfair amount of sectors per month between our base and the others among the network.
I don´t know how the things are running nowadays, but I can tell you the numbers of sectors I did during my last months; average 24. Compare it with +50 (or even higher!) in other bases. For a FO/SFO it was a hugh difference in salary.
Also don´t forget that NO ONE in the company was willing to go to BBU when told to do so. The management was forced to offer this solution to cope with the lack of pilots in BBU.
However, I always said that WZZ was a good option to go back to Europe in case you are further away, and the flying, and social life among colleagues is/was excellent. Certainly, there are better options around, but that´s another history. So far I enjoy my time in BBU.
Was it ok in CLJ?
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If Wizzair could get away by making people pay for flying they would. Oh forgot they do 
One has to understand that Wizz is an ultra bottom feeder low cost company with a lowish salary and absolutely zero perks to go with the job. If you accept this as standard,it's your cup of tea. If not Wizz is not your place. I came from a company that paid everything from accommodation to travel and transport. Per diem, breakfast etc. So needless to say that Wizz was a bit of an eye opener for me. I did not like paying for two homes, one back home and another at base. Nor did I much care for the cuisine onboard or the communal transports from collection points around the city at 0330 in the morning. Hence I took my leave and left.
As long as people accept the terms and conditions, they will keep same salaries as when they started operating and will not even consider paying for anything that they absolutely do not have to pay let alone housing.
One has to understand that Wizz is an ultra bottom feeder low cost company with a lowish salary and absolutely zero perks to go with the job. If you accept this as standard,it's your cup of tea. If not Wizz is not your place. I came from a company that paid everything from accommodation to travel and transport. Per diem, breakfast etc. So needless to say that Wizz was a bit of an eye opener for me. I did not like paying for two homes, one back home and another at base. Nor did I much care for the cuisine onboard or the communal transports from collection points around the city at 0330 in the morning. Hence I took my leave and left.
As long as people accept the terms and conditions, they will keep same salaries as when they started operating and will not even consider paying for anything that they absolutely do not have to pay let alone housing.
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Hello guys,
just a straight question.
How much a FO is able to take home every month? (average)
Figures here look to be different based on where you are.
Just a rounded average would be good to make a first assessment.
Thanks
just a straight question.
How much a FO is able to take home every month? (average)
Figures here look to be different based on where you are.
Just a rounded average would be good to make a first assessment.
Thanks
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The so called housing allowance
I find it distastful that people who never even worked here in Bucharest seem to feel they have such a right to comment on my salary, however it is made up.
Putting it bluntly unless you were, or are working here I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself....you are commenting on how I support my family, and yes this is emotive, and is my business only. I have seen the money and the terms slowly degraded over the last 5 years. We all accept the payment on offer, we don't have to stay, I am staying and I have my own reasons for this, I make my own decision.
If you have nothing constructive to offer to this thread, and "I was near there" doesnt count...then I suggest you all quietly BUTT OUT.
Thats it ! bring it on Narrow, but you will be talking to fresh air....I'm not biting anymore
Putting it bluntly unless you were, or are working here I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself....you are commenting on how I support my family, and yes this is emotive, and is my business only. I have seen the money and the terms slowly degraded over the last 5 years. We all accept the payment on offer, we don't have to stay, I am staying and I have my own reasons for this, I make my own decision.
If you have nothing constructive to offer to this thread, and "I was near there" doesnt count...then I suggest you all quietly BUTT OUT.
Thats it ! bring it on Narrow, but you will be talking to fresh air....I'm not biting anymore
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Well Mondeoman, if you cannot stomach critical views on your employer, too bad I say, perhaps it's a good idea not to read this thread. Wizz is obviously your cuppa joe. Other man's garbage dump is another man's heaven. FYI, I did a stint in Bucharest, didn't like it and went my ways as soon as I could.
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Wizz has something for everybody
It's been almost 2 years since I pulled the plug on my 15 year expat career to join Wizz at home.
I enjoy it 100%!
Average salary after tax (Captain) is 4500 EUR for 22-24 sectors (guess my base).
13-14 DO, almost unheard at my previous A340 job.
Every single leave and DO request granted!
Called from STBY 4 times, on a DO -2 times (1 sector reward each time).
Flying in Europe not over a Big Ocean.
Less than 1/2 dozen ATL inputs. This is what I call maintenance! One of the youngest fleets around.
All of the above since I joined in Aug'10.
Eh, I do not have 2 mortgages to pay and I saved enough money to see my 2 sons through uni (of course not in the USA). Even got some leftovers for Big Boyz Toyz...
I enjoy it 100%!
Average salary after tax (Captain) is 4500 EUR for 22-24 sectors (guess my base).
13-14 DO, almost unheard at my previous A340 job.
Every single leave and DO request granted!
Called from STBY 4 times, on a DO -2 times (1 sector reward each time).
Flying in Europe not over a
Big Ocean.Less than 1/2 dozen ATL inputs. This is what I call maintenance! One of the youngest fleets around.
All of the above since I joined in Aug'10.
Eh, I do not have 2 mortgages to pay and I saved enough money to see my 2 sons through uni (of course not in the USA). Even got some leftovers for Big Boyz Toyz...
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Seeing as you're not going to reply to this, I feel free to post the facts.
It is unfortunate that you have to rely upon emotion to try and create a defence.
I have no doubt that the removal of the "housing allowance" in Bucharest has caused great angst for you, and many others. I didn't say it wouldn't.
But, contrary to your argument, I was made privy to the very real figures from within Wizz Air as to why the payments were being withdrawn in Bucharest.
To suggest that just because I was never based in Bucharest that I didn't have a handle on the realities at that time, are frankly wrong.
Remember, in the base that I was responsible for, every single pilot - myself excluded for obvious reasons - wrote to the company in support of such an "accommodation" deal for the following reasons: expense of accommodation, expense of commuting, lack of sectors and undesirable location.
What happened? Nothing, except I was told to shoot the movement down - and quickly. And for the record, I agreed with the pilots. But, where does that stop? Give it to the pilots and what do you do when the cabin crew start demanding more?
I'm sorry you feel so hard done by. Perhaps you should move on to greener pastures?
It is unfortunate that you have to rely upon emotion to try and create a defence.
I have no doubt that the removal of the "housing allowance" in Bucharest has caused great angst for you, and many others. I didn't say it wouldn't.
But, contrary to your argument, I was made privy to the very real figures from within Wizz Air as to why the payments were being withdrawn in Bucharest.
To suggest that just because I was never based in Bucharest that I didn't have a handle on the realities at that time, are frankly wrong.
Remember, in the base that I was responsible for, every single pilot - myself excluded for obvious reasons - wrote to the company in support of such an "accommodation" deal for the following reasons: expense of accommodation, expense of commuting, lack of sectors and undesirable location.
What happened? Nothing, except I was told to shoot the movement down - and quickly. And for the record, I agreed with the pilots. But, where does that stop? Give it to the pilots and what do you do when the cabin crew start demanding more?
I'm sorry you feel so hard done by. Perhaps you should move on to greener pastures?
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Truth?
In that base, pilots are rated the lowest class of all the network.
No one cares at all. No input from them is heard.
More truth, yes flight crew share because it's simply undone to rent on your own!
800 euro's a month for a decent place plus expenses is still quite normal. Then some flight crew commute home to their families with bought tickets at other airlines because there is simply no company route leaving them with a small amount to live from.
So whatever that so called management saw about prices over there is quite wrong.
The company hotel is not stupid also. They are keeping the prices high because they know that flight crew will come there first but there is no bargains. They set the price and if you dont like it find another place. (Which a lot of people do but the prices are still skyhigh).
And loss of sectors -> that base flies 30 sectors average throughout the year.
If you want a little bit of 'same level' salaries, then that base has to be compensated because like many said allready, other bases do 50 or more average.
Whatever it is called, housing allowance or salary compensation. It does not matter.
What matters is that that company took money from their own personell and are laughing at it because they simply can.
Don't like it, get out. (Like many did allready and the base is every month loosing crew.)
In that base, pilots are rated the lowest class of all the network.
No one cares at all. No input from them is heard.
More truth, yes flight crew share because it's simply undone to rent on your own!
800 euro's a month for a decent place plus expenses is still quite normal. Then some flight crew commute home to their families with bought tickets at other airlines because there is simply no company route leaving them with a small amount to live from.
So whatever that so called management saw about prices over there is quite wrong.
The company hotel is not stupid also. They are keeping the prices high because they know that flight crew will come there first but there is no bargains. They set the price and if you dont like it find another place. (Which a lot of people do but the prices are still skyhigh).
And loss of sectors -> that base flies 30 sectors average throughout the year.
If you want a little bit of 'same level' salaries, then that base has to be compensated because like many said allready, other bases do 50 or more average.
Whatever it is called, housing allowance or salary compensation. It does not matter.
What matters is that that company took money from their own personell and are laughing at it because they simply can.
Don't like it, get out. (Like many did allready and the base is every month loosing crew.)
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Hi all,
I have applied via contract air for the wizz air A320 non rated position, have been trying to get a bus job for a while many more jobs anyway anyone working there could you let me know what it's currently like are pilots generally happy etc is it commute able I know the pay is quite low but liveable from what I have been told , also what is the command time like at the moment? I hear with my experience 1k plus NG I could get the upgrade before 24 months?? Could this be true? Thanks allot in advance for any information.
I have applied via contract air for the wizz air A320 non rated position, have been trying to get a bus job for a while many more jobs anyway anyone working there could you let me know what it's currently like are pilots generally happy etc is it commute able I know the pay is quite low but liveable from what I have been told , also what is the command time like at the moment? I hear with my experience 1k plus NG I could get the upgrade before 24 months?? Could this be true? Thanks allot in advance for any information.
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Some of his comments are often inflamatory and only rarely informative (just read his previous posts).
His opinions are skewed by an out of date view on the (low cost airline) industry and the fact that he wants to work for an airline based on his doorstep, doing 200 hours a year for $200K.
Go to Wizz with your eyes open. Wizz will never be the highest paid in the aviation sector until the number of crew applying for jobs is less than the number of jobs available. Salaries vary depending on base, and only you can decide if this is within your financial budget depending on lifestyle / commuting to UK. You'll need to make the decision if flying the Bus is worth that sacrifice.
Commuting is possible but tiring. Expect either a 6/4 or 5/3 roster (6/1/6/7 is also available). And then remember that 'operational requirements' are more of a priority than your commuting options to/from base. This can mean only 2 days at home, and you will want to sleep for most of it.
Wizz are still expanding and the rumour is that we are short of Captains and command requirements may be reduced. Once you've got the 3500 (factorized WIZZ) hours then you're ready for the evaluation. And of course, if Wizz only need Captains in Cluj and you don't want to go there then you'll need to wait. How much do you want to be a Captain? Wizz won't train you as a Captain to have be over crewed in your prefered base...
That said, follow the SOP's, fly safe, take as much fuel as you need, don't send rude emails to HQ, and you'll be left largely alone.
His opinions are skewed by an out of date view on the (low cost airline) industry and the fact that he wants to work for an airline based on his doorstep, doing 200 hours a year for $200K.
Go to Wizz with your eyes open. Wizz will never be the highest paid in the aviation sector until the number of crew applying for jobs is less than the number of jobs available. Salaries vary depending on base, and only you can decide if this is within your financial budget depending on lifestyle / commuting to UK. You'll need to make the decision if flying the Bus is worth that sacrifice.
Commuting is possible but tiring. Expect either a 6/4 or 5/3 roster (6/1/6/7 is also available). And then remember that 'operational requirements' are more of a priority than your commuting options to/from base. This can mean only 2 days at home, and you will want to sleep for most of it.
Wizz are still expanding and the rumour is that we are short of Captains and command requirements may be reduced. Once you've got the 3500 (factorized WIZZ) hours then you're ready for the evaluation. And of course, if Wizz only need Captains in Cluj and you don't want to go there then you'll need to wait. How much do you want to be a Captain? Wizz won't train you as a Captain to have be over crewed in your prefered base...
That said, follow the SOP's, fly safe, take as much fuel as you need, don't send rude emails to HQ, and you'll be left largely alone.
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Thanks Syntax , do you know what pay is after TR deduction , I was thinking of either paying TR upfront or paying 50% I though.apparently it is a basic of 20k for FO plus sector pay brings it to about 30k , but being based in easter europe would mean a very low cost of living no??? so I would be looking at just over 2 years to command , also why is there such a high fail rate compared to the likes of Ryanair / easyjet etc??
PS also why so lengthy and complicated etc compared to other airlines?? any payrise after year 1 etc??
PS also why so lengthy and complicated etc compared to other airlines?? any payrise after year 1 etc??
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Hi boeing
I did this year the selection and got the joboffer. But when i saw the contract and looked through the numbers, i had to decline it. I did a counteroffer of paying my own rating (no bond ofcourse) and having the normally salary. They refused and withdrew the joboffer which was pitty i think. The first 15 months you only get 666 eur gross without sector pay, because they say you pay the first 15 months 1000 eur a month for your rating. On top of that you have to stay another 15 months for a normal salary, 1666 eur a month. And that is a point i dont understand: they reduce 1000 a month, so u r paying. But paying the rating completely, they refused.
I did this year the selection and got the joboffer. But when i saw the contract and looked through the numbers, i had to decline it. I did a counteroffer of paying my own rating (no bond ofcourse) and having the normally salary. They refused and withdrew the joboffer which was pitty i think. The first 15 months you only get 666 eur gross without sector pay, because they say you pay the first 15 months 1000 eur a month for your rating. On top of that you have to stay another 15 months for a normal salary, 1666 eur a month. And that is a point i dont understand: they reduce 1000 a month, so u r paying. But paying the rating completely, they refused.
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Does it really matter if you are bonded for 30 months or whatever it is? Surely that is better than paying €30,000 upfront. If you plan to get a command with them then you should expect to stay that length of time anyway.
People need to realise that there aren't many jobs out there at the Moment. So why complain? Just get on with it and if you don't like it then leave instead of moaning on here.
People need to realise that there aren't many jobs out there at the Moment. So why complain? Just get on with it and if you don't like it then leave instead of moaning on here.
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Good Morning,
I am evaluating Wizz Air, I would try to sum up and make clear some infos.
If you succeed in the selection and join them as FO non rated, they give you the TR on 320, then you pay back it 1.000/month per 15 months.
I would know, about pay scale, the base is from 20.000 to 25.000 per year, but if you join with already 5000 hrs on airline jet, I wonder if you start straight with 25.000/year or is only an internal upgrade. Is the same about sector pay.. from 30-36E/sector ?
Do you have any other items about the salary other than basic and sector pay ?
13th 14th? Bonus?
All this pay are to be consider gross, so what is the % about taxes to subtract more or less ?
Do you have free tickets with them ?
Which are bases where they need FO most now?
Do you have an example of monthly roster to show ?
What about selection.. telephone interview, ATPL general knowledge quiz, live interview and sim, right ?
Thanks.
I am evaluating Wizz Air, I would try to sum up and make clear some infos.
If you succeed in the selection and join them as FO non rated, they give you the TR on 320, then you pay back it 1.000/month per 15 months.
I would know, about pay scale, the base is from 20.000 to 25.000 per year, but if you join with already 5000 hrs on airline jet, I wonder if you start straight with 25.000/year or is only an internal upgrade. Is the same about sector pay.. from 30-36E/sector ?
Do you have any other items about the salary other than basic and sector pay ?
13th 14th? Bonus?
All this pay are to be consider gross, so what is the % about taxes to subtract more or less ?
Do you have free tickets with them ?
Which are bases where they need FO most now?
Do you have an example of monthly roster to show ?
What about selection.. telephone interview, ATPL general knowledge quiz, live interview and sim, right ?
Thanks.
