I am worried after this!

[Mgggpilot]

Hi buddies, am a cadet for a certain airline. Am worried after i finish my training the company will pay me less amount as compared to someone who joins the company with exact no. of hours as me on the grounds that the company payed for my training. Is this how it is for those of you who came through the same channel? Any contribution to this will be highly appreciated!

[Capetonian]

Don't you think that it might be fair for the company to expect you to offset some of the costs and risks they incurred in training you?

I don't know what the norm is in the aviation industry but I know that in many areas of commerce this is precisely what happens.

[Der absolute Hammer]

In aviation professional flight crew licenceing, training, type conversions and so on, bonding for a period of time has been the norm. This has abusivley disintegrated in the hands of some operators to paying for a position as a first officer. The rationale behind this perhaps equates with an articled clerk who is employed at a low wage while he gains sufficient experience to be able to put the cherished letters behind his name-in other words, have gained the experience to be able to go it alone.
The system has been seriously abused by operators recently, all over the world, taking advantage of the masses of young people whoo wish to fly but have no concept of the competition of the market. A market too, which is extremely susceptible to economic conditions.
If, as in this case, the company would appear to be recouping the costs of training out of wages, then that approach is nothing new., It may have the advantage for the person paying in that he might find himself in a lower income tax bracket. Had he paid for his training up front, he would have been unlikely to have the advantage of any tax deduction benefit. I notice that the equally experienced but not 'in house' trained candidate is not receiving any preferential treatment on the seniority ladder.
As long as the training deductions are reasonable both as to amount and to deducting period, I cannot see too much in the first post that is out of the ordinary, unfair or even that cannot work to the poster's advantage.

PS: As a cadet for a certain airline, he should be damned graetful he is one, should put his head down and make the best of an opportunity for which many would willingly assassinate him.

[PappyJ]

PS: As a cadet for a certain airline, he should be damned grateful he is one, should put his head down and make the best of an opportunity for which many would willingly assassinate him.

　
　
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Is this how it is for those of you who came through the same channel? Any contribution to this will be highly appreciated!

　
　
When some of us started, that channel didn't exist! The only channel we had was; get license at our OWN expense, endure years of African Bush, Arctic Cold; or other undesirable places, then qualify for the "Real" job. The idea that a company would pay for our training; unheard of! Be thankful for what you have during this time when far more qualified folks are out of work.

[Denti]

Actually that channel exists since before WW II. It is nothing new and some, mostly state or flag carriers, have done it allways that way. But even there you have to pay back some of the training cost nowadays, however the job security going through company training from day 1 on their expenses until you earn money doing the job you were hired for initially and then repay them is the best you will find in the industry. Therefore i would second

PS: As a cadet for a certain airline, he should be damned graetful he is one, should put his head down and make the best of an opportunity for which many would willingly assassinate him.

[grrowler]

I presume you were given some sort of contract with conditions laid out before you accepted the cadetship, perhaps you should have thought about it then?

[Dutchjock]

mgggpilot,

let me put it into simple numbers.

For example you make 2500 pound.

Say the guy with the same amount of hours makes 3000 pounds. He has to pay the bank 1000 pounds every month to repay his flightschool loan.
He ends up with 2000 pound to spend.

You will most probably earn more than him after his repayment. Apart from that the other guy took a big personal loan without any guarantees of a job.

You have one of the most luckiest starts in the industry, make the most of it

[postman23]

I think the airline needs to worry if hiring you was a good decision. Seems to me you have quite an attitude going for yourself. Putting your cashflow issues over common sense and feeling bad if someone else gets a break.

[MANAGP]

Mgggpilot

I wouldn't worry about your pay, I'd worry that your employers may not need you after you complete your training or even before. There aren't many airlines at the moment who aren't looking at their numbers!

[parabellum]

Mgggpilot - you are probably a Troll, but in case you haven't noticed you are considered to be amongst the luckiest of the lucky at the moment with a confirmed cadet ship and job. Yes, highly probable your employer will seek to recover some of their training costs, over a period and this would have been written into your initial contract for you to see.

Please come back and say you were only trolling?

[powerstall]

You should be happy and you're very lucky to have your flight training sponsored by the airline... others don't have that kind of comfort and ease...

It's kinda weird, when you don't have work you grumble and complain...... and yet when you do have a job, you still grumble and complain....

[JW411]

A very wise old RAF mentor of mine said to me one day "Sympathy is simply a word that falls between Sh*t and Syphilis in the Oxford Concise Dictionary".

How very true; how very true.

[Rainboe]

Mgggpilot- you asked and requested any input. My answer is to go away and breath thanks for the good fortune life has thrown at you, keep very quiet and do your job well and show gratitude and faith in in the company that has shown you such trust- and ensure that their confidence in you is not mistaken.

You did ask for opinions!

[Mgggpilot]

Thanx to everyone for your contributions. Dutchjok, i appreciate the most the way you have answered my question. Thanx dude! Der absolute hammer, having got this chance i am so grateful buddy, i just wanted to look at the other side of things and this should go to you parabellum as well. Let me stress on this that i wasn't trolling at all! Postman23 and managp, dont worry at all in case you do; the airline is eagerly waiting for me to finish and so far my training is in final stages and they are so proud of my progress. They need me (in short)! Grrowler, yes i was given the contract stating that among other things i work for the company for solid 6 yrs. But you know that didnt bother me much as my dream has always been to be pilot one day! One thing though is that it doesnt mention anything about how i am going to pay back the money the airline incured for my training. There is a clause stating that if i dont wish to work for the airline i will have to pay a fixed sum of money.
All in all, i really appreciate your 'criticising' me because you have opened my eyes up to a greater extent. Long live Pprune!

[CarltonBrowne the FO]

Interesting- if his profile is correct he is old to be a cadet...