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When the situation has stabilized, then the progress for T&C improvement can be started.
And when the time comes, who will do the negotiating ? The ERC's ? With their past track record ?! What resources do they have compared to BALPA ?
If the recognition vote fails and BALPA are locked out for another 3 years, then I guess it will have to be ........
What a depressing thought.
When the situation has stabilized, then the progress for T&C improvement can be started.
And when the time comes, who will do the negotiating ? The ERC's ? With their past track record ?! What resources do they have compared to BALPA ?
If the recognition vote fails and BALPA are locked out for another 3 years, then I guess it will have to be ........
What a depressing thought.
However, does anyone realistically see that this industry will be more stable and at a point that flight crews will be in a positive position in the next 36 months ?
Likely not.
Even with the best will, a change of UK government tomorrow with an improvement in fiscal policy and more aviation industry beneficial legislation (eg APD increases) and leveling off of oil prices (the situation in Iran is having an effect on oil price increases and OPEC are looking to reduce production to push prices back up) we would see stability in about six months, with implementation of carrier investment about another 6-12 months after that, with the absorption of currently available crews perhaps 6-12 months after that.
And that is with the best will in the world; we would see the position for pilots to start looking for better T&C's in 2 and a half years.
When FR face the loss of FR employed crews to other operators over better T&C's and the Brookfield guys move to carriers where they are employed, FR will face crewing problems and T&C's will improve subsequently.
I do not work for FR. I have never worked for FR nor will I ever work for FR. I only comment from the experience of 46 years of professional flying. During this time, I have had experience of just about every form of representation ranging from BALPA to the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. I also spent 7 years running a PLC.
I have to comment on the following:
"FR crews on Brookfield contracts are going to be left out in the cold on BALPA negotiations".
Now, that would be a terrible position to be in. What BALPA negotiations do you really fondly imagine are going to take place? Even if any negotiations with MOL actually take place and some little battle is won, are you telling me that the BRK guys will not also benefit by default? So why should they bother?
If I were flying for FR right now then I would much rather be a BRK employee than a Ryanair employee. Ryanair employees have so much more to lose. If this episode really gets to become an ar*ehole kicking contest then the BRK pilots don't have much to lose. They already own their type ratings and can walk tomorrow or else stay if the offer is good enough. They are free agents and are in control of their own future.
What do you imagine they lack in the big scheme of things? I know quite a few BRK employees who are quite capable of looking after themselves. After all, it only costs around £125 per year to get legal benefits insurance and it does not take a genius to set up his own pension scheme. (I, for example, am retired and one of my pensions comes from money saved whilst I was a contractor working in the US of A). It really is not rocket science to look after your own affairs.
I have witnessed the carnage created by pilots (and engineers) who thought they knew better than "the management". Eastern Airlines (Miami version) was a classic example.
Let us look at a very bleak scenario; MOL and BALPA just do not get on together. MOL decides to re-register Ryanair as Ryanair (Lithuania) Ltd. You can reapply for your jobs on Monday morning.
What the hell are you going to do? Perhaps you could persuade BALPA, IALPA et al to call a strike? How well do you think that will go? Hopefully the BALPA and IALPA members might support the action but that's about it.
The BRK pilots are not employed by FR and therefore cannot go on strike. So, at least 50% of the flights will operate as normal from UK and Ireland and the effect on overseas bases is likely to be minimal.
On Tuesday your jobs will be advertised in Flight International etc and after a few months you will be history, fighting a rearguard action in the courts that BALPA can't support for completely practical reasons (as per the Danair disgrace).
If you do not think that such a thing can happen, consider what happened to all of the FAA Air Traffic Controllers when Ronald Regan lost patience and fired the lot of them. Did flying in the US of A stop? Of course it didn't.
One of the saddest things that I have ever witnessed was seeing a bunch of ex-Continental pilots outside the terminal at Denver in full uniform with placards parading up and down trying to persuade the punters not to fly with "the bunch of scabs" that had queued up to replace them. I asked them how long they had being doing this. The answer was an astonishing "three years". Can any of you out there imagine such a scenario? Do you think the public gave a sh*t? All they were interested in was the ticket price.
I suspect that the fire-breathing dragons among you have never ever seen a picket line and have never been involved in serious confrontation.
I also suspect that a large number of negative posters out there are like me in that they do not work for FR and are very unlikely ever to work for FR.
Unlike me, they really have no idea of what they are getting into and to expect some trade union to walk into Ryanair and solve all their problems overnight simply means that their judgement should seriously be questioned.
Personally, I am astonished that BALPA are even considering taking an interest in FR in the current climate. In the past, they have always stayed clear of any airline where there is the slightest chance of serious litigation. Even if he lost the war, MOL could write off all of BALPAs funds in a prolonged battle and it would be interesting to see whether the BA members of BALPA thought that defending FR was a sound investment since they see the likes of FR as being their very own harbinger of gloom.
God bless all of you.
I have to comment on the following:
"FR crews on Brookfield contracts are going to be left out in the cold on BALPA negotiations".
Now, that would be a terrible position to be in. What BALPA negotiations do you really fondly imagine are going to take place? Even if any negotiations with MOL actually take place and some little battle is won, are you telling me that the BRK guys will not also benefit by default? So why should they bother?
If I were flying for FR right now then I would much rather be a BRK employee than a Ryanair employee. Ryanair employees have so much more to lose. If this episode really gets to become an ar*ehole kicking contest then the BRK pilots don't have much to lose. They already own their type ratings and can walk tomorrow or else stay if the offer is good enough. They are free agents and are in control of their own future.
What do you imagine they lack in the big scheme of things? I know quite a few BRK employees who are quite capable of looking after themselves. After all, it only costs around £125 per year to get legal benefits insurance and it does not take a genius to set up his own pension scheme. (I, for example, am retired and one of my pensions comes from money saved whilst I was a contractor working in the US of A). It really is not rocket science to look after your own affairs.
I have witnessed the carnage created by pilots (and engineers) who thought they knew better than "the management". Eastern Airlines (Miami version) was a classic example.
Let us look at a very bleak scenario; MOL and BALPA just do not get on together. MOL decides to re-register Ryanair as Ryanair (Lithuania) Ltd. You can reapply for your jobs on Monday morning.
What the hell are you going to do? Perhaps you could persuade BALPA, IALPA et al to call a strike? How well do you think that will go? Hopefully the BALPA and IALPA members might support the action but that's about it.
The BRK pilots are not employed by FR and therefore cannot go on strike. So, at least 50% of the flights will operate as normal from UK and Ireland and the effect on overseas bases is likely to be minimal.
On Tuesday your jobs will be advertised in Flight International etc and after a few months you will be history, fighting a rearguard action in the courts that BALPA can't support for completely practical reasons (as per the Danair disgrace).
If you do not think that such a thing can happen, consider what happened to all of the FAA Air Traffic Controllers when Ronald Regan lost patience and fired the lot of them. Did flying in the US of A stop? Of course it didn't.
One of the saddest things that I have ever witnessed was seeing a bunch of ex-Continental pilots outside the terminal at Denver in full uniform with placards parading up and down trying to persuade the punters not to fly with "the bunch of scabs" that had queued up to replace them. I asked them how long they had being doing this. The answer was an astonishing "three years". Can any of you out there imagine such a scenario? Do you think the public gave a sh*t? All they were interested in was the ticket price.
I suspect that the fire-breathing dragons among you have never ever seen a picket line and have never been involved in serious confrontation.
I also suspect that a large number of negative posters out there are like me in that they do not work for FR and are very unlikely ever to work for FR.
Unlike me, they really have no idea of what they are getting into and to expect some trade union to walk into Ryanair and solve all their problems overnight simply means that their judgement should seriously be questioned.
Personally, I am astonished that BALPA are even considering taking an interest in FR in the current climate. In the past, they have always stayed clear of any airline where there is the slightest chance of serious litigation. Even if he lost the war, MOL could write off all of BALPAs funds in a prolonged battle and it would be interesting to see whether the BA members of BALPA thought that defending FR was a sound investment since they see the likes of FR as being their very own harbinger of gloom.
God bless all of you.
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JW411, I totally agree with your way of seeing what is actually going on, very bad timing from balpa but i suspect they are under pressure from the BA guys.
I just discovered that balpa has asked for recognition in al Ryanair UK bases, I don't know how because at my base there is definitely not a majority supporting that decision but appearently UK laws allowes unions to do so if they have been asked to do so by only one employee, maybe even a Brookfield who won't get any benefits anyway ?
Guys, Ryanair management are running this company as a business, they decide what T & C they will put on the marked, you decide if that is good enough for you or you just pick another offer, plenty around the world for the time being, how about China, India, Nigeria, Korea etc. ? I just want to say that I know of some of my former colleges from Sterling already working in those countries and they would love to work for Ryanair if they got the chance.
I am not a member of balpa anymore as I don't believe they are realy doing this for the Ryanair pilots, just about to post the application for the independant union instead.
I just discovered that balpa has asked for recognition in al Ryanair UK bases, I don't know how because at my base there is definitely not a majority supporting that decision but appearently UK laws allowes unions to do so if they have been asked to do so by only one employee, maybe even a Brookfield who won't get any benefits anyway ?
Guys, Ryanair management are running this company as a business, they decide what T & C they will put on the marked, you decide if that is good enough for you or you just pick another offer, plenty around the world for the time being, how about China, India, Nigeria, Korea etc. ? I just want to say that I know of some of my former colleges from Sterling already working in those countries and they would love to work for Ryanair if they got the chance.
I am not a member of balpa anymore as I don't believe they are realy doing this for the Ryanair pilots, just about to post the application for the independant union instead.
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I have to say that the best posts seen on this forum are from you guys.
You have all been a breath of reason, in a sea of BALPA hype.
The Ryanair contract guys will be the ultimate casualties in this mis-guided and badly timed push for BALPA.
With the outside contractors and European based pilots there are enough pilots to operate the RYR schedule, and Ryanair contracted pilots could easily find themselves working legal minimum sectors each month or 3 months to be kept current, or be allowed to go out of check.
Once out of check and enough other pilots (Non Union) doing the flights you may find yourselves surplus to requirements.
Those who think that they will get Brookfield pilot's support in any strike action need to read a Brookfield contract, and realise you will not get help from them especially as BALPA has told many Brookfield pilots that they cannot support them, but they are welcome to pay their 1% subscriptions.
The time is NOT right to push for BALPA recognition in RYR, yet in 18 months to 2 years you might find the market has changed and you can vote with your feet and join BALPA companies.
I hasten to add that many of you will still find that when with other employers, you shall still find things to moan about.
Be reasonable and put your efforts into keeping people employed in these difficult times.
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I have to say that the best posts seen on this forum are from you guys.
You have all been a breath of reason, in a sea of BALPA hype.
The Ryanair contract guys will be the ultimate casualties in this mis-guided and badly timed push for BALPA.
With the outside contractors and European based pilots there are enough pilots to operate the RYR schedule, and Ryanair contracted pilots could easily find themselves working legal minimum sectors each month or 3 months to be kept current, or be allowed to go out of check.
Once out of check and enough other pilots (Non Union) doing the flights you may find yourselves surplus to requirements.
Those who think that they will get Brookfield pilot's support in any strike action need to read a Brookfield contract, and realise you will not get help from them especially as BALPA has told many Brookfield pilots that they cannot support them, but they are welcome to pay their 1% subscriptions.
The time is NOT right to push for BALPA recognition in RYR, yet in 18 months to 2 years you might find the market has changed and you can vote with your feet and join BALPA companies.
I hasten to add that many of you will still find that when with other employers, you shall still find things to moan about.
Be reasonable and put your efforts into keeping people employed in these difficult times.
JW411 and a few others have pretty much nailed it dead on.
Given the laws, the industry, the workforce and MOL this will only end in tears for some sacrificial pilots.
Want it to change, leave, that is the only thing that will change the package at Ryanair. Can't get something better, stay or into another line of work.
I do remember the CO pilots picketing, in between shifts as valet parkers.
It really makes me wonder what BALPA game is. They know they are not going to get recognition. MOL has all the cards. Something smells.
Good luck to all
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Given the laws, the industry, the workforce and MOL this will only end in tears for some sacrificial pilots.
Want it to change, leave, that is the only thing that will change the package at Ryanair. Can't get something better, stay or into another line of work.
I do remember the CO pilots picketing, in between shifts as valet parkers.
It really makes me wonder what BALPA game is. They know they are not going to get recognition. MOL has all the cards. Something smells.
Good luck to all
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Vexed, how on earth do you know about the way business is runned by Ryanair, you speak as if you were management knowing everything about their strategies and business plans, ok you are right, they do make the results official, but how can you know how to run a business like this, and how do you know that US is so different ? (I don't think they are much different business vice)
Ryanair has a strategy and they are dammed good grocers, thats why my self and many others are still employed in a developing expanding company with a very interesting future, and we will get a part of the cake when time is up, othervice they can't expand, just have some patience and let this down turn pass.
It is hard for the cadets not to know if they get employed or not after having paid for the type-rating, they are free not to, it is just an offer they can refuse, I did'nt even get the chance to buy a type-rating nor getting a job back in the eighties, I had a hughes dept and kept crawling up the latter for about 6 years untill I finally got a seat in a Shorts 360 !! still having my unpaid dept but at least I could start to pay it back.
Life is sometimes about taking risks, sometimes you win sometimes you loose, but there is always another way to pick.
How many airlines actually gives an oppertunity to be an airline pilot not only for the youngsters but also for pilots who are mature grown ups in their early thirties before they decided to take a new experience ?
Just because Ryanair seems to do well it still might not be so well as you think, I am still happy to work for an airline that copes the downturn as Ryanair does.
Ryanair has a strategy and they are dammed good grocers, thats why my self and many others are still employed in a developing expanding company with a very interesting future, and we will get a part of the cake when time is up, othervice they can't expand, just have some patience and let this down turn pass.
It is hard for the cadets not to know if they get employed or not after having paid for the type-rating, they are free not to, it is just an offer they can refuse, I did'nt even get the chance to buy a type-rating nor getting a job back in the eighties, I had a hughes dept and kept crawling up the latter for about 6 years untill I finally got a seat in a Shorts 360 !! still having my unpaid dept but at least I could start to pay it back.
Life is sometimes about taking risks, sometimes you win sometimes you loose, but there is always another way to pick.
How many airlines actually gives an oppertunity to be an airline pilot not only for the youngsters but also for pilots who are mature grown ups in their early thirties before they decided to take a new experience ?
Just because Ryanair seems to do well it still might not be so well as you think, I am still happy to work for an airline that copes the downturn as Ryanair does.
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UK viking, everyone here understands your very close to management. You rely on the argument it is nice to work for an airline that's not going down the drain. If only that was the only interest in working for any airline...The bottom line is : what's the point working for an airline that exploits you and intends to push for more pressure on T&Cs in the future.
T&Cs at Ryanair are sliding and will keep sliding on a steep slope if nothing is done about it.
Ryanair pilots have NOTHING to lose in the run with such action. Nothing.
T&Cs at Ryanair are sliding and will keep sliding on a steep slope if nothing is done about it.
Ryanair pilots have NOTHING to lose in the run with such action. Nothing.
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FRying, a lot to loose, first of all the 5/4 roster and then the allowances and balpa will still not be able to get us any improovements, at least not for the time being (Bad timing again).
What exactly do you think we could get from a balpa recognition ?
By the way, I am not close to management at all, have just seen a lot of bad union influence the last 25 years.
What exactly do you think we could get from a balpa recognition ?
By the way, I am not close to management at all, have just seen a lot of bad union influence the last 25 years.
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I know a chap involved in recruitment in a good airline who told me they actually try to avoid employing ex ryanair pilots where possible. His view was that as they are willing to accept such low terms and conditions in working for ryanair, he didn't want them dragging his airline down in the future.
That's the trouble with ryanair, all the better airlines look at them and think, how on earth do they get the crews to work so hard for so little, let's try it on our lot. When all the new pilots joining ryanair for "just a few years" try to go somewhere better, they find those airlines aren't as good as they were when their dads or uncles or whoever they once looked up to worked in them. The reason is that they worked for such poor conditions to get a foot up in the first place and enabled ryanair to be so successful.
The simple fact is, one of the reasons Ryanair does so well is because their crews work so hard in probably the worst terms and conditions in the industry.
Working in the airline industry has changed hugely for the worse since ryanair came along. It's a bit much when they all come on here complaining about their shoddy terms and conditions after they directly drag everyone else's down.
Ryanair's conditions will drive down even further, simply because they can and the pilots will do nothing but complain on the internet.
That's the trouble with ryanair, all the better airlines look at them and think, how on earth do they get the crews to work so hard for so little, let's try it on our lot. When all the new pilots joining ryanair for "just a few years" try to go somewhere better, they find those airlines aren't as good as they were when their dads or uncles or whoever they once looked up to worked in them. The reason is that they worked for such poor conditions to get a foot up in the first place and enabled ryanair to be so successful.
The simple fact is, one of the reasons Ryanair does so well is because their crews work so hard in probably the worst terms and conditions in the industry.
Working in the airline industry has changed hugely for the worse since ryanair came along. It's a bit much when they all come on here complaining about their shoddy terms and conditions after they directly drag everyone else's down.
Ryanair's conditions will drive down even further, simply because they can and the pilots will do nothing but complain on the internet.
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A question for those who are convinced that staying put and silent in these bad times (105 million euros NET gain) is the way to go just because we have a job and a 18 years old F/O wouldn't have another chance elsewhere:
What will happen 2 years down the line when the last 737 arrives ad the pool of F/O's will be as deep as ever with lots of stby days and the majority of the workforce on BRK contracts?
De facto most F/O's already work sort of 2 ON 7 OFF because the number of STBY days greatly exceeeds the number of working days.
The upgrades will be for the brightest F/O's who joined the company at least 3/4 years before the end of the expansion and given the pretty high failure rate even amongst the brightest ones (most can't manually fly the airplane because they never did after flight school) they will have to put up with a lot of DEC readily available on the market (SkyEurope will shortly feed the RYR lines with plenty of experienced Capt.'s).
So again what's the perspective of those colleagues who think that doing nothing and being silent is the way to go?
What will your thoughts be when in 2012 you will moan about low flying hours, too many STBY's, low income and long way to upgrade and your colleague's answer will be "if you don't like it just leave"?
What will happen 2 years down the line when the last 737 arrives ad the pool of F/O's will be as deep as ever with lots of stby days and the majority of the workforce on BRK contracts?
De facto most F/O's already work sort of 2 ON 7 OFF because the number of STBY days greatly exceeeds the number of working days.
The upgrades will be for the brightest F/O's who joined the company at least 3/4 years before the end of the expansion and given the pretty high failure rate even amongst the brightest ones (most can't manually fly the airplane because they never did after flight school) they will have to put up with a lot of DEC readily available on the market (SkyEurope will shortly feed the RYR lines with plenty of experienced Capt.'s).
So again what's the perspective of those colleagues who think that doing nothing and being silent is the way to go?
What will your thoughts be when in 2012 you will moan about low flying hours, too many STBY's, low income and long way to upgrade and your colleague's answer will be "if you don't like it just leave"?
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What an absolute load of unadulterated drivel you write.
Many companies that I have spoken with, both their HR and Chief Pilots, are more than happy to take Ryanair pilots, as they are generally well motivated and maintain high standards. (Lower training risks)
I ask you to give facts, when you make statements like the ones in your last post.
Having seen T&C's eroded in the industry even before Ryanair started I can give you the culprits in one word "Accountants".
Again unless you can give proof rather than rumour keep your remarks to yourself or the bar when your allowed out.
What an absolute load of unadulterated drivel you write.
Many companies that I have spoken with, both their HR and Chief Pilots, are more than happy to take Ryanair pilots, as they are generally well motivated and maintain high standards. (Lower training risks)
I ask you to give facts, when you make statements like the ones in your last post.
Having seen T&C's eroded in the industry even before Ryanair started I can give you the culprits in one word "Accountants".
Again unless you can give proof rather than rumour keep your remarks to yourself or the bar when your allowed out.
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thats why my self and many others are still employed in a developing expanding company with a very interesting future, and we will get a part of the cake when time is up ....
PS you're right about "the very interesting future though " LOL
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I also know a chap in a top airline who has told me they actively employ FR pilots because of precisely what you just said - we are hard working in hard conditions.
However this is irrelevant - what you are saying is basically that because our Ts and Cs are not as good as others we are somehow not as good as you?
Also "It's a bit much when they all come on here complaining about their shoddy terms and conditions after they directly drag everyone else's down" -- I think if you spend some time reading this thread the majority of people bad mouthing FRs Ts and Cs are people on the outside who know NOTHING about the company internally and is all hear say and a case of...my friends,brothers,uncles,best friend told me that...
Your other statement that we have nothing better to do than complain on the net....well my friend - what the
is your post about ---Complaining.
Like i said, its 99% people who do not even work for FR complaining about a situation they know nothing of. The only ones who can complain about FR are the guys who work there, who are in the know, and if they so wish to campaign against the company then thats their choice.
Some - or judging by the last few pages on this thread - alot - of people are very happy at FR which doesnt give you the right to start having a go at us.
Finally - Ryanair is a business and out there to make money. As you said "enabled ryanair to be so successful." It is a successful airline. It makes money and does exactly what it says on the tin.
You cannot blame the whole downturn of the industry on one factor. There are many things but yes the introduction of low cost airlines has helped this cause however im sure you are an intelligent person and can work out there are more than a few other loco's flying around. So pointing the finger soley at FR is a tad over dramatic.
Unfortunately the world is changing and its loco. BA didnt keep up and look whats happening there. (great job Balpa!) So if you dont like this no one is making you stay. Either adapt with the change or get out.
However this is irrelevant - what you are saying is basically that because our Ts and Cs are not as good as others we are somehow not as good as you?
Also "It's a bit much when they all come on here complaining about their shoddy terms and conditions after they directly drag everyone else's down" -- I think if you spend some time reading this thread the majority of people bad mouthing FRs Ts and Cs are people on the outside who know NOTHING about the company internally and is all hear say and a case of...my friends,brothers,uncles,best friend told me that...
Your other statement that we have nothing better to do than complain on the net....well my friend - what the
is your post about ---Complaining.Like i said, its 99% people who do not even work for FR complaining about a situation they know nothing of. The only ones who can complain about FR are the guys who work there, who are in the know, and if they so wish to campaign against the company then thats their choice.
Some - or judging by the last few pages on this thread - alot - of people are very happy at FR which doesnt give you the right to start having a go at us.
Finally - Ryanair is a business and out there to make money. As you said "enabled ryanair to be so successful." It is a successful airline. It makes money and does exactly what it says on the tin.
You cannot blame the whole downturn of the industry on one factor. There are many things but yes the introduction of low cost airlines has helped this cause however im sure you are an intelligent person and can work out there are more than a few other loco's flying around. So pointing the finger soley at FR is a tad over dramatic.
Unfortunately the world is changing and its loco. BA didnt keep up and look whats happening there. (great job Balpa!) So if you dont like this no one is making you stay. Either adapt with the change or get out.
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Why is it Ryanair pilots always take the rap for 'dragging' everyone else's T's & C's down?
If your T's & C's are getting worse, blame your management, your Pilot group or maybe your union?......
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If your T's & C's are getting worse, blame your management, your Pilot group or maybe your union?......
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Here's the reality.
The FR Edinburgh base operates services to 11 European bases.
The Prestwick base to 11.
Belfast base has 1 aircraft.
Liverpool has services to 12 European bases.
East Midlands has services to 7.
Birmingham operates to 12 bases.
Luton operates to 5.
Bristol has flights to 7 bases in Europe.
Bournemouth operates to 6 bases in Europe.
Each of these bases can be closed, or shrunk to 1 or 2 aircraft, without detriment to Ryanair's operation.
What it will cost are the jobs of pilots, cabin crew and engineers. It will reduce secondary employment at the airports and in the localities and damage the local economies.
Is that what unionisation is for? Is that socialism?
We are in a recession for goodness sake: look beyond the end of your spiteful little noses and consider the effect your action will have on others much less fortunate and dependent, indirectly, on you for their livelihood.
Now is NOT the time.
The FR Edinburgh base operates services to 11 European bases.
The Prestwick base to 11.
Belfast base has 1 aircraft.
Liverpool has services to 12 European bases.
East Midlands has services to 7.
Birmingham operates to 12 bases.
Luton operates to 5.
Bristol has flights to 7 bases in Europe.
Bournemouth operates to 6 bases in Europe.
Each of these bases can be closed, or shrunk to 1 or 2 aircraft, without detriment to Ryanair's operation.
What it will cost are the jobs of pilots, cabin crew and engineers. It will reduce secondary employment at the airports and in the localities and damage the local economies.
Is that what unionisation is for? Is that socialism?
We are in a recession for goodness sake: look beyond the end of your spiteful little noses and consider the effect your action will have on others much less fortunate and dependent, indirectly, on you for their livelihood.
Now is NOT the time.
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RSS - another good post put across well.
Now is NOT the time for unionisation. Thankfully the majority of pilots at my UK base see the bigger picture too and how it will negatively affect every Ryanair pilot, CCM, Engineer at every UK base.
Now is NOT the time for unionisation. Thankfully the majority of pilots at my UK base see the bigger picture too and how it will negatively affect every Ryanair pilot, CCM, Engineer at every UK base.
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Now is NOT the time.
Those routes that should eventually be operated by EU based aircraft in retalliation to the BALPA campaign will have to be manned by skilled professionals, eventually now UK based crews who will be transferred to the continent.
Or will they just be laid off in favor of newly hired ones?
In the first case the recognition campaign has nothing to do with it because officially the move is due to the new tourist tax imposed in the UK.
In the second case the recognition campaign should still go ahead because such a behavior is surely against any kind of civilized labor law.
Can anybody of the union bashers answer the following question:
What happens in a couple of years when FR will have 300 aircraft and will be hugely overstaffed with plenty of F/O's working 2 days ON and 3 days STBY (if not less) on BRK contracts with command upgrades greatly reduced and the few new captaing flying their areses off on reduced salaries while senior and more expensive Capt.'s will be put on STBY while making zero money on BRK contracts themselves?
Talking about looking beyond noses?