Ryanair recruitment-facts

[relax.jet]

Ryanair recruitment-facts
You can apply and pay online to Ryanair and wait for a call.
They will give u a call to confirm your name and experience.
Go for SIM, pass and join the holding. You are number 301 in sequence.

What can Ryanair do with 300 pilots?
1.Make money! Use them as a threat to current employees to lower their salaries.
2.Make money! Call the people in holding pool and try to find out who is desperate enough to accept lower salary than initially promised. Offer the job to the most desperate pilots.
3.Make money! Don’t take experienced FOs, only captains and cadets.

Any more ideas how to ruin the future?

[First.officer]

"Any more ideas how to ruin the future ?"

Well, could always re-elect Labour at the next election ?? - should F@*k things up quite nicely !

[captplaystation]

I don't want to be accused ( yet again ) of making excuses for them but ref your point 3, it does say in their recruitment blurb on their website that they are lookijng for experienced Capt's & Cadets with no airline experience, there are currently no offers for experienced F/O's.
Coincidentally the self same situation is more or less in existence at EasyJet.
As you correctly identified pilot recruitment, where possible, is also used to swell the coffers. If you don't understand or weren't expecting that, you wasted your 50 quid applying to Ryanair and should have done your homework by reading all the information previously written on here.

[nick14]

With regards to number 2 on your list I will keep you posted.

If they have plans to lower the pay for contractors it will surely be in the new contract they dish out to us.

N

[kick the tires]

they are lookijng for experienced Capt's & Cadets with no airline experience, there are currently no offers for experienced F/O's.
Coincidentally the self same situation is more or less in existence at EasyJet.

I dont know where playstation gets his info but he is sooooo off the mark.

We are shortly starting command courses, promotion from within. We have a long list of very experienced SFO's, all on permanent contract, from where we will get our new commanders. We are also running more command courses than we need so we have a pool of people ready to use when the need arises - so avoid contract captains.

We are most definitely NOT recruiting experienced Capts!

[nick14]

To be fair it does say that on the website:

"In line with our expansion plans, we continue to open new bases and operate to new destinations. This rapid growth means we are seeking experienced Captains and Cadets who wish to join us to be part of our success story"

Nick

maybe I misunderstood you.

[BALLSOUT]

I know 2 direct entry captains recruited recently. 1 already started and the other starts in a couple of weeks.

[LAX]

relax jet - if thats how you feel about RYR vote with your feet and dont join.

As suggested, Gordon Browns giving away lots of jobs, way not join the Labour Party gravey train and put your nose in the trough with the rest of em!

Lots of Captains needed, direct entry and internal upgrades.

[captplaystation]

kick the tires,
I said,. . . "more or less" in existence at Easy,
the more was . . . only Cadets, no experienced F/O's
the less was. . . . experienced Capt's, which I believe is what the company wanted (and may yet impose No ? ) subsequently watered down to "seasonal commands" because you have at least a little protection with BALPA.

RTFQ2

[relax.jet]

If you don't understand or weren't expecting that, you wasted your 50 quid applying to Ryanair and should have done your homework by reading all the information previously written on here.

I did my homework.
I was definitely not interested to join like FO.
I just don't like their way of "lowering the costs".
I think their just don't play fair.

I will always choose a different airline to join, even for less money.

[captain_rossco]

It still blows my mind that people are of the belief that a new cadet (many of which in debt), should be expected to reject the FR contract on the grounds of its morality and/or financial disadvantages. Cadets are all too aware of the impact they may or may not be having on pay and conditions within the industry, but quite what else they're supposed to do is rarely picked up on.

Regards
CR

[Gnirren]

This is true, the damage is already done. To get a job now you have to prostitute yourself. However that doesn't stop you from growing a pair once you have some experience, join a union and work to stop the rot. I don't see this happening either, so that's where I'd put the blame.

Also, please keep in mind that 1. there will be newbies after you who will drag your conditions down after you're no longer a blue-eyed cadet, 2. the other companies are learning and will emulate the cheapest one around, so your fantastic plan of "getting 2000 hrs and moving to a proper job" might not be feasible by the time you get there. 3. I understand that you have very little choice these days, but trust me there are still people who actively choose a self-fund job because they think it will jump start their career and send them ahead of their airtaxi, flight instructing colleagues straight into jet bliss. This is short-term thinking that will dumb down this profession no doubt about it. The instructor > air taxi > turboprop > jet route is still possible to go down, it's just that today's "me me me" generation wants everything, now. They feel entitled to it. Final words - do what you feel is best but to NOT come on here in 3 years time bitching because you can't get an upgrade unless you pay 15,000 euro and outsiders are coming in with the hours and the money jumping ahead of you. Think it can't happen?

[Private jet]

The degradation of T&C's in aviation is only partly due to new starters. Change (short of a revolution) occurs from the top down, and i see little attempt from the more "senior" pilots in airlines attempting to improve the lot of their more junior collegues. There is an old homily "the working class can kiss my ar*e, i've got the bosses job at last". It applies to pilots too. Want someone to blame for the slide of T&C's? Have a look in a mirror.

[Flintstone]

See Gnirren?

It's always someone elses fault. Never theirs.

[captjns]

Look beyond FR to observe the erosion of T & Cs around the world. How many people fled the Blue and yellow carrier to the sand box for riches and a quality of life that of an Emir? They have an employment contract too. Do you think the owners of these airlines are honorable businessmen?

The productivity pay threshold at EK has been raised roughly 17%. For instance a 31 day month could see someone in overtime pay once over 78 credit hours which is now it is 92 hours. That translates to a 17 percent pay cut and that's without any recourse available to crews for breach of contract.

Days off has been reduced to 12 days per month with no more than 5 consecutive days off at any time. How long do you think it will take for reduction in other benefits at EK? Some crewmembers are hostage to the region as there is not enough time to go home even once a month.

There are rumblings that SI is going to park some jets and put crews to be place on unpaid leave too.

No matter how you look at it, it’s a crappy situation everywhere. I guess if there is going to be an erosion of benefits and T & Cs… I think it’s better to be close to home than half way round the world.

[clanger32]

Gnirren,
I agree with a lot of what you have written here, except there's one thing that's even more frequently forgotten than, as Rossco puts it, what the hell the newbies are supposed to do now....and that's the guys and girls who are captains now trained in a very, VERY different world than the guys training now.

How many of them had to pay what - as a best guess - is probably an average of £50k to train? Very few I'd bet - because prices have risen hugely. Sponsored training - doesn't exist in any form worthy of the name any more....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go at anyone, but merely asking for understanding that the situation for people wanting to train now is vastly different than it was back in 2000 or earlier.

Frankly, the point I think you're missing is that the costs now dictate that the student HAS to get a reasonable return - and the obvious way that's achievable in the modern aviation world is with a jet job. It's been mentioned many times that a first year FI can MAYBE hope to make as much as £20k...care to explain how you expect anyone with £50k debt - at £500 a month repayment is supposed to even countenance that?

I'm really not having a go, but the point is - newbies HAVE to have a jet job now to make it worth the investment.

[SD.]

You don't have to get into £50k of debt.

Saving up for a PPL / hour building overseas, doing the ATPL's distance learning whilst working, CPL and/or IR abroad or skip the IR and go direct to FI. Sure it's a longer route to take but less of a financial risk than pumping £50k+ into a gamble.

A few of my friends have put themselves into over £100k of debt, with integrated and type rating training. Insane.

[Flintstone]

Originally Posted by Clanger32

I'm really not having a go, but the point is - newbies HAVE to have a jet job now to make it worth the investment.

But it's a trap. Airlines that sell type ratings with a promise of a job will continue to sell them and those already in are seeing a reduction in their hours when these newbies come on line. It's happening already.

There's no solidarity at these companies, the crew are all over the place in terms of contract pilots, desperate cadets and incoming newbies. It's no good telling the training captains to stand down from their positions, people need to stop buying jobs or better still seeing other ways into the industry other than straight into the right hand seat of a jet. The training industry exists, to a certain degree, to support itself and at times like these when there simply aren't the jobs to go around some people will have wasted their money.

Sad but true.

[Day_Dreamer]

There are many Guy's and Girl's out there heavily in debt from their training, and it does not matter where they did their training, they are in debt as far as they possibly can be, dependent upon their circumstances.

Now along comes the only chance of a job paying in excess of £40K per year rising to over £55K within 2 years, but you must pay for your own type rating at an airline approved school.

Alternatively the option is to go bankrupt whilst trying to pay debts or to take a lower paid self rated instructors position in an economy fast going toward 3000000 unemployed and at least 2 years to the shoots of an upturn.

Whilst people have scruples and think that paying for a rating may not be in the best interests of all, we must remember that "Scruples do not pay off debts"

I have seen many accountants run T & C's down in this industry for the sake of profits, even now the company I work for is eroding all that we had when we started.
Now under the guise of a depression all airlines are cutting back T & C's.

The bright signs are the few airlines offering jobs all of which require some form of payment for the rating either up front or by reduced salaries.

As a group we will suffer the requirement to pay for ratings for many years to come, but this was not an idea from RYR, years before in the mid 80's airlines in Europe were charging for ratings and line training, its nothing new.

I fully support self funded ratings in this climate providing a job is there at the end, and not just 6 months circa CTC, Air Asia.

Those who bleet like sheep about T & C's are usually self indulgent and blinkered, we must now keep as many people in work as possible, trained and ready for the up turn whenever it comes.

Unfortunately for some we are going through a stage of selection by financial ability and not by a persons suitability, not a good thing, but until the government see a need to finance all forms of training it is what we must live with.
However the training in RYR is respected by many airlines for its high standards and they do not lower the baseline because of the cadets ability to pay.
The flying is on new aircraft, with some great people and right now its the only game in town.

Good luck out there to all who go down this route, from friends of mine who know, you will not regret making the move, providing you put in the work.
To those who have nothing to do but bad mouthing RYR, remember we are a democracy and people have a right to choose their individual paths.

[smith]

Sure it's a longer route to take but less of a financial risk than pumping £50k+ into a gamble

A structured modular course can be done in far less time than an integrated course.