BMI redundancies/in intensive care
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Kelly Hopper. you say you are perplexed as to how monies have been moved from bank accounts without the account holders consent.
I had monies removed from my bank account by a major company British Gas. They set up a direct debit without my consent .
I was livid as you can imagine. unfortunatly it was 3 months before I noticed.
This was recently nov,dec and jan. I am not a customer of theirs and have been not been for some 18 months.
When I went to see the bank (after many hours of musical interludes from BG) they explained that with major companies (utilities companies, mobile phone companies etc) it is done on a matter of trust. So if British Gas set up a direct debit with, them bank assumes you are a customer of theirs
However The bank got me to fill in a form , the bank refunded me the money then in turn they argue with the company that made this faux par.
So yes monies can be removed from your account by almost anyone it may seem.
It is even easier for an employer to do it .
Just because something is illeagle does not mean that people will not do it, but it must be put right.
And before anyone asks I was very tempted to march into the cop shop and report it as theft!
I was extremly angry to find out this was even possible let alone for it to happen to me.
These employees are not lying about what has happened to them. It has happened. They have proof.
It is a very upsetting situatuin for all employees within the group.
Hopefully there is some way back from this almighty mess
I had monies removed from my bank account by a major company British Gas. They set up a direct debit without my consent .
I was livid as you can imagine. unfortunatly it was 3 months before I noticed.
This was recently nov,dec and jan. I am not a customer of theirs and have been not been for some 18 months.
When I went to see the bank (after many hours of musical interludes from BG) they explained that with major companies (utilities companies, mobile phone companies etc) it is done on a matter of trust. So if British Gas set up a direct debit with, them bank assumes you are a customer of theirs
However The bank got me to fill in a form , the bank refunded me the money then in turn they argue with the company that made this faux par.
So yes monies can be removed from your account by almost anyone it may seem.
It is even easier for an employer to do it .
Just because something is illeagle does not mean that people will not do it, but it must be put right.
And before anyone asks I was very tempted to march into the cop shop and report it as theft!
I was extremly angry to find out this was even possible let alone for it to happen to me.
These employees are not lying about what has happened to them. It has happened. They have proof.
It is a very upsetting situatuin for all employees within the group.
Hopefully there is some way back from this almighty mess
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Call me a devil's advocate, but what if Nigel Turner was trying as hard as he could to honour the pay deal against other parties; only to finally fail in the final hours/days?
If that was the case, then he would have certainly put his neck on the line in an effort to honour his agreements.
If that was the case, then he would have certainly put his neck on the line in an effort to honour his agreements.
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Is the basis of the "dispute" the removal of the money from various accounts?
Or is it the unilateral change in the 3 yr agreement?
Or is it the lack of consultation on the decision?
Was it not Hogan and his heroes who espoused the theory that the pilots were senior management?
Non consultable senior management.
Or is it the unilateral change in the 3 yr agreement?
Or is it the lack of consultation on the decision?
Was it not Hogan and his heroes who espoused the theory that the pilots were senior management?
Non consultable senior management.
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Firestorm, given that bmi only has 2 shareholders and is a private limited company not a plc, in practical terms it doesn't matter about SAS trying to sell its holding-it is not going to affect the shareprice as we don't really have a share price- there are no shares bring publicly traded!
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Are you watching and learning, Lufthansa? (though I suspect you're already painfully aware of the mess in bmi "management")
Time to sharpen those hatchets. Lop off all of the bmi "management" heads, until all of the cancer is removed.
Start again. Fresh management position applications and interviews. Get some decent people in. People with brains, ability, man-management skills, honesty, integrity, commitment to the advancement of the company.
You've paid off the main perpetrator of this management culture. Now turn bmi into a company with vastly improved efficiency and profits.
You should all give thanks for the bizzare (anti competitive) system of Heathrow slots masking the rubbish management, or you'd all have been down the Labour Exchange years ago.
Time to sharpen those hatchets. Lop off all of the bmi "management" heads, until all of the cancer is removed.
Start again. Fresh management position applications and interviews. Get some decent people in. People with brains, ability, man-management skills, honesty, integrity, commitment to the advancement of the company.
You've paid off the main perpetrator of this management culture. Now turn bmi into a company with vastly improved efficiency and profits.
You should all give thanks for the bizzare (anti competitive) system of Heathrow slots masking the rubbish management, or you'd all have been down the Labour Exchange years ago.
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acbus1.......AMEN BROTHER (or sister)!!!!!!! If Lufty can pull in an approx. £1bil profit in times such as these, it just goes to show how badly other airlines are run. I am a big believer in the theory that if you treat your employees well your customers get treated well.... simple really (except to accountants who only see people a minus in the balance sheets)
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acbus 1 well done
Congratulation on what i suspect is your first ever half sensible comment on bmi, i do agree that the slot were a double edge sword in that it gave comfort and value but had to be protected by flying unprofitable routes because the slot times weren't much use for the long dreamed off USA routes.
After they bought Bmed some one woke and smelt the coffee and figured there was money to be made in flying to places ending in stan, all the more so as flying BA aircraft there was a red flag to a terrorist bull.
So at last they will soon have all their 330 and crews in LHR, just a shame it didn't happen years ago, i might have stayed, but hey ho
reading the various press wires and the ongoing problems in getting approval for Austrian & SN i suspect it may will be into the second half of the year before the bmi thing is a done deal, if at all!!
After they bought Bmed some one woke and smelt the coffee and figured there was money to be made in flying to places ending in stan, all the more so as flying BA aircraft there was a red flag to a terrorist bull.
So at last they will soon have all their 330 and crews in LHR, just a shame it didn't happen years ago, i might have stayed, but hey ho
reading the various press wires and the ongoing problems in getting approval for Austrian & SN i suspect it may will be into the second half of the year before the bmi thing is a done deal, if at all!!
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There were a number of reasons which on their own were not too bad but when added together resulted in BMED being unable to carry on, namely:
1. BA franchise fees of £15 million.
2. BA not allowing BMED to charge a fuel surcharge despite BMED being too small to be able to hedge fuel like BA had been able too.
3. BMED having to cancel all flights to Beirut, which was possibly their most lucrative route, whilst Lebanon was being bombed by Israel.
Any 1 or even any 2 of those items had been dealt with an a regular basis, these are always volatile destinations which is why they are so lucrative, but BMED was not big enough to deal with all those things coming at once.
1. BA franchise fees of £15 million.
2. BA not allowing BMED to charge a fuel surcharge despite BMED being too small to be able to hedge fuel like BA had been able too.
3. BMED having to cancel all flights to Beirut, which was possibly their most lucrative route, whilst Lebanon was being bombed by Israel.
Any 1 or even any 2 of those items had been dealt with an a regular basis, these are always volatile destinations which is why they are so lucrative, but BMED was not big enough to deal with all those things coming at once.
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bmi won't be flying to places ending in stan when Lufty get into gear.
They'll be flying much bigger and more profitable stuff to and from places ending in "USA" and "eathrow".
They probably won't have bmi painted down the side either (or any of the other 57 varieties of bmi paint scheme).
And they certainly won't have ex bmi pilots up front.
Apart from all that, the future is exceptionally rosy for you all.
They'll be flying much bigger and more profitable stuff to and from places ending in "USA" and "eathrow".
They probably won't have bmi painted down the side either (or any of the other 57 varieties of bmi paint scheme).
And they certainly won't have ex bmi pilots up front.
Apart from all that, the future is exceptionally rosy for you all.
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"bmi won't be flying to places ending in stan when Lufty get into gear.
They'll be flying much bigger and more profitable stuff to and from places ending in "USA" and "eathrow".
They probably won't have bmi painted down the side either (or any of the other 57 varieties of bmi paint scheme).
And they certainly won't have ex bmi pilots up front.
Apart from all that, the future is exceptionally rosy for you all."
Pray do tell where you found this gem of information from?
Or could it be your own bitter opinion based on little or no facts?BMI does have problems and will be going through significant change but do you really think that the great Lufty in the sky has blessed the likes of you or me with their plans!
They'll be flying much bigger and more profitable stuff to and from places ending in "USA" and "eathrow".
They probably won't have bmi painted down the side either (or any of the other 57 varieties of bmi paint scheme).
And they certainly won't have ex bmi pilots up front.
Apart from all that, the future is exceptionally rosy for you all."
Pray do tell where you found this gem of information from?
Or could it be your own bitter opinion based on little or no facts?BMI does have problems and will be going through significant change but do you really think that the great Lufty in the sky has blessed the likes of you or me with their plans!
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Quote 'Pray do tell where you found this gem of information from?'
Application of common sense. I agree that it is a gem though, so thanks for the compliment.
By all means pray though. You'll need it.
Quote 'acbus has issues, ignore him, substansive info free stone to grind rant!'
Does that come in English?
Quote 'So how come we're doing Lufthansa work 'as bmi' acbus?'
Oh dear. It needs explaining.
As I said in my post 'when Lufty get into gear.'
They'll use you until then.
At which point, they'll dump you.
Hope that clears things up.
Application of common sense. I agree that it is a gem though, so thanks for the compliment.
By all means pray though. You'll need it.
Quote 'acbus has issues, ignore him, substansive info free stone to grind rant!'
Does that come in English?
Quote 'So how come we're doing Lufthansa work 'as bmi' acbus?'
Oh dear. It needs explaining.
As I said in my post 'when Lufty get into gear.'
They'll use you until then.
At which point, they'll dump you.
Hope that clears things up.