Www.snotam.com Aer Lingus Versus Ryanair

[Green Army]

Hi guys,

Anyone interested in the take over bid for Aer Lingus by Ryan Air. Tired of hearing MOL manipulating the media?

Check www.snotam.com for some helpful details and views.

Read the whole story, there are some really good bit like the trojan horse etc etc.


Good luck!!!

[corsair]

Hmm, I suppose we can rely on an anti Ryanair website set up by an Aer Lingus Captain to be unbiased and accurate, can we?

For what it's worth I think Ryanair will get it's hands on Aer Lingus eventually. Whether that's good or bad, only time will tell.

[Green Army]

For what its worth...I am really sorry for you that yesterday clearly wasnt a great day for you. You and MOL must be very frustrated that the take over bid was and is denied by such huge numbers.

Good Luck next time.

I wish you all the best.

[corsair]

I had a fine day yesterday, thank you. MOL and I are not acquainted and unlike the fine Captain who set up the website have no agenda or interest (or shares with either airline) in whether Ryanair gobbles up Lingus or not.

I merely express the opinion that it will eventually succeed for good or ill. Failing that, another airline will move in particularly if Ryanair sells on it's holding.

Good day to you, too.

[Faire d'income]

Imagine a world where people are willing to contradict all things MOL.

Obviously a world such as that would scare Corsair, so long may you continue to rely on MOL for all your unbiased data.

[leeds 65]

JP Balkenende:

I laughed at your unflinching confidence of an organisation who for years and years have wasted millions of tax payers money,through waste and abuse of so called 'employees rights'(ie aircraft cleaners doing NO WORK when they are supposed to and then they actually do the cleaning later on whilst on TRIPLE TIME OVERTIME= DISGRACE)

JP you have vented your anger on here regarding ryanairs abuse of employees and work practices.Well on the flip side of that if the govt decided to investigate aer lingus down through the years you would see that the findings would make the FAS debacle look SUPER SMALL.

On another note,nothing was done about aer fungus' management golden parachute payments until MOL and co brought it to the limelight(obviously they had there reasons to) ,nevertheless once again=DISGRACE

Aer Lingus' shares did fantastic recently after the failed deal too,didnt they Confidence= nil , obviously

It will be interesting to see how 'fortress easyjet and monarch' works for you.

It will be EVEN MORE interesting to see how the madrid outsourcing blah blah blah works out with a near bankrupt american company.

Good luck and have a nice day

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

Snowjob, more like.

SNOWTAM? Give me a break. Sounds like the tired, illinformed rhetoric of IALPA stepping forward to advertised their ignorance of all things factual, as if any further proof were needed.

You'd think that an organisation still smarting from an accumulated loss of over €30,000,000.00 from both personal funds of pilots and their beloved and, they think, sacrosanct pension fund in trying to thwart the first bid to rescue Aer Lingus from itself, would be a bit more circumspect.

But no, they insist on radiating their stupidity. Caps off, they've clearly taken to wearing flashing neon tiaras these days, as Aer Lingus fades slowly into the sunset. Do you really think doing deals with moribund American carriers currently losing $5 milliion dollars every day is the mark of confident airline leadership? UAL have bet the farm on snatching some of President Obama's trillion dollar handout because they, too, are from Chicago. Personally, I don't think he's dumb enough to shovel money down the throat of America's Alitalia. Meanwhile, in a fiesta of frothy perversity, the American pilots unions are having kittens at the mooted marriage. We shall see.

So the deal is sunk. They say timing is everything, and so it is. Ireland's deficit is currently a whopping 6% of GDP and galloping toward 12% by year's end with unemployment to soar to 10%. According to the AIB's economic outlook, they expect no significant gain in economic momentum until 2011 at the earliest. In other words, the perfect time to scupper Aer Lingus' last chance at survival.

Ladies and Gentlemen, never underestimate a pilot's union's ability to machine gun itself in the foot. Let's hope Aer Lingus's

low hanging fruit

lasts them until then.

[Gold Rivet]

Leo, your Spelling and Grammar in that post aren't up to sniff. Your hand must be trembling as you type.

No wonder!

Your dark master wants to buy this decrepit piece of junk you describe? To do what with it?

If its as DOOMED as you DECLARE why not just let it rot and collect the 'low hanging fruit' as it falls?
Why all this EXPENDITURE?
Why the URGENCY?
Why the DESPERATION?
Why the Temper Tantrums?

Patently there's more to it than some half-baked charity drive.

You run along now and worry about your own problems sonny, of which you have many. 47 at least of them this year.
Find some other victim to sink your blood sucking fangs into in your futile quest for rejuvenation. A great many people are going to enjoy watching you slowly dissolve back into the hissing puddle of slime and corruption you rose from.

[boombox]

I have to ask the question why so much aggression from the MOL suppport group. A sensible reader is all too aware that AL are profitable, that they provide a different type of service. Why the assumption that a deal wirh another airline is such a bad idea. Afterall FR do deals with airport authorities to facilitate their growth. And why wouldnt an employee af any company invest in that company if they have faith in the management and the company. If FR is soo good why such an aggressive defence? Cant it stand on its own. I get the impression that someone who does so much shouting can ony be one of two things: ignorant or afraid...

[rubik101]

Gold Rivet, your very first post, evidently triggered by some fit of pique brought on by goodness knows what, is a rambling, nonsensical and incoherent collection of drivel. If you think you have something sensible and interesting to say, or even have a valid point, please write it in a format we can all understand.
Have a nice day!

[Lord Lardy]

If you think you have something sensible and interesting to say, or even have a valid point, please write it in a format we can all understand.
Have a nice day!

I think what he/she said is very sensible. It's how one chooses to read it that make you decide how sensible it is or not . In my case the points made by the contributer make alot of sense and the questions they ask are something that Ryanair failed to answer during the initial stages of the recent bid.

MOL is the master of acting like a politician when interviewed, in that he rarely answers the question being asked. A magazine article that I recently read comes to mind in which the author researched the art of hypnosis. In it they say that if you tell someone something often enough, whether it's true or not they will eventually begin to believe it. This seems to always be the case when I hear MOL being interviewed, and is also the way in which alot of our collective politicians act. This was highlighted to me by viewing one commentator ask him as simple question as to why if he felt Aer Lingus was 'doomed' did he feel the need to take it over and pay money for it. A sensible question which was evidently sidetracked with no answer and returned with spin as an alternative.

Ryanair also didn't address the competition issue as highlighted in the reference to it by the Government shareholding. In my opinion this bid at its current price was nothing short of an attempted robbery without even the hint of a balaclava.

Ryanair along with all airlines will have enough to worry about it in the next few months, and as someone pointed out both above and in the media over the weekend, 47 of these worries in Ryanair's case are forthcoming, now that they will be delivered with a harp rather than a shamrock on their tail.

[5tarbuck]

Rubik101, I found Gold Rivets post perfectly legible and cogent.

But then, I'm keeping up with developments.
You aren't very 'with it', are you......

[Gold Rivet]

A magazine article that I recently read comes to mind in which the author researched the art of hypnosis. In it they say that if you tell someone something often enough, whether it's true or not they will eventually begin to believe it.

Yes Lord Lardy, a well observed comment.
Perhaps Rubik or Leo (both Ryanair pilots?) should tell us how they manage to work only 20 hours a week - 4 hours per day? I've heard their beloved leader repeat that FACT to the gullible public time and time again.

The math goes like this....Roughly 1,000 hours per year, divided by 52 weeks = less than 20 hours per week! Bleedin' obvious, innit!

Since he's never wrong (in their eyes) it must surely be true. In which case Leo and Rubik are a pair of lazy b'stards, because I do 9 hour days regularly, and often go over 14.

Who'da thunk it! Ryanair really IS a workers paradise!
If you're brain damaged...

[ItsAjob]

Who'da thunk it! Ryanair really IS a workers paradise!
If you're brain damaged...

Hilarious!
Nice one!

[Gold Rivet]

But no response from Lyo or Ribit?

I see the bid is officially DEAD now.
EU reports its been notified of withdrawal.

Now lets focus on Ryanairs coming difficulties. We're all keen to see what he'll do with these empty aeroplanes.

Feb 22nd there's a Quarterly Results Briefing....that'll be good too.
There Will Be Blood.....

[sprite1]

Yes, the results. I'm looking forward to hearing what tripe O'Leary has to say.

So much of Ryanair's income is due to the £ Sterling. Crucially, however, they report their earnings in Euro. Back in the hay-day of 2001, 02, 03 and 04 when they were making €250m - €450m Net, the exchange rate was 66p to the Euro. Ryanair easily 'increased' their wealth as a result. The last 3 months of 2008 were horrendous for Ryanair with the Pound hitting nearly 97p to the Euro.
It's now effectively steady at 92p.

When a sandwich was sold on-board for £5 (or whatever) that made them €7.50. Now they only earn €5.50. Big drop.
Same goes for their cut on Hertz Car Rentals, wheelchair levy, etc.

I'm glad more and more people are starting to see what the takeover was about.
Lumping Aer Lingus with Boeings, charging them the 'market price' for them and O'Leary saving his bacon once again.

And yes, Gold Rivet, Rubik101 is a Ryanair pilot. Think you may've touched a nerve

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

et Dominus Hiberniae

But no response from Lyo or Ribit?

Anyone familiar with the legend of the GoldEN Rivet would be justified in taking your puerile contributions as nonsense. I ain't bending over for you, shipmate.

As for:-

There Will Be Blood.....

Does that make you a "bastard in a basket"? I rather think so.

As the impending depression King Hits Ireland, you'd do well to remember that Ireland is just 17% of Ryanair's business and well over 98% of Aer Lingus'. Lets just see where the blood pools in a few months, shall we?

Red and Green should never be seen. But will be, alas.

[Unionjet28]

Ei / Fr

"As the impending depression King Hits Ireland, you'd do well to remember that Ireland is just 17% of Ryanair's business and well over 98% of Aer Lingus'. Lets just see where the blood pools in a few months, shall we?

Red and Green should never be seen. But will be, alas"

Fair Point Mick. Well, it would be if this wasnt a global recession, or if the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain.. (FR's biggest Markets) werent also going down the pan...

Some also say "Blue and Green should never be seen" Thankfully, after lots of FR money has been wasted, they wont be !

[Gold Rivet]

Ahh but Unionjet, Lyo is a special case.
A head case!

He'll lose money now even if he starts flying to Timbuktoo....he just hasn't gotten through the denial phase yet. He's stuck in 'angry mode' having had his mug wiped by Dempsey.

Lyo, you've shown your staff the Golden Rivet so often some are even beginning to enjoy it. Take Captplaystation for example.
Not a head case, but a sad case.