To all those who think they are on a bad deal.
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To all those who think they are on a bad deal.
This should cheer you up!
There is a job advertised on an orange background site, offering $6000/month for B727 Captains. It gets worse! I kid you not! Based in Pakistan and the Congo, 6 months contract.
There is a job advertised on an orange background site, offering $6000/month for B727 Captains. It gets worse! I kid you not! Based in Pakistan and the Congo, 6 months contract.
Ah, but if you were Pakistani or Congolese and living at home, or possibly from one of the failed Soviet States, this would be a king's ransom......
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If you lived there, then perhaps, but the job was advertised on a forum requiring a membership and it is read and subscribed to by predominantly Western pilots, Americas and Europe. I would think the target audience is well defined as pilots from these areas. For that and the area the salary is rediculously low.
Even for those coming from those areas you just mentioned, it is not the deal of the century or kings ransom. Many companies and people in those areas operate first class modern equipment and quickly have the chance to move to contracts that are paying double or even triple to what this contract offered.
Peopla forget that when you work in an other country than your home, you still have those fixed expenses back home that are there regardless of what you make in your host country. Salaries and compensation packages often do not account for this. Alas high turnover or need to constantly advertise as the terms and conditions do not interest people.
Even for those coming from those areas you just mentioned, it is not the deal of the century or kings ransom. Many companies and people in those areas operate first class modern equipment and quickly have the chance to move to contracts that are paying double or even triple to what this contract offered.
Peopla forget that when you work in an other country than your home, you still have those fixed expenses back home that are there regardless of what you make in your host country. Salaries and compensation packages often do not account for this. Alas high turnover or need to constantly advertise as the terms and conditions do not interest people.
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These bottom feeding operators are making a King's Ransom but paying the crews peon salaries.
Beware that some of these bottom feeding operators disappear after they bet paid but never fork over the final month's wages after the contract is complete.
With a short term contract, one should ensure that the final month's pay is in escrow to ensure that one will be received.
Beware that some of these bottom feeding operators disappear after they bet paid but never fork over the final month's wages after the contract is complete.
With a short term contract, one should ensure that the final month's pay is in escrow to ensure that one will be received.
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It is a sad state of affairs that someone will take the job, as it is better than no job at all. However it also exposes the employers willing to take advantage of this bad situation, a lot of pilots are finding themselves in.
One thing in their favour is they are up front with what they are "not" prepared to pay but this is an attempt at gross exploitation, none the less.
One thing in their favour is they are up front with what they are "not" prepared to pay but this is an attempt at gross exploitation, none the less.
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Another thread hijacked by a malevolent malcontent
. Oh well it happens
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How can one compare the flying of latest technology aircraft with excellent maintenance (EZ and FR) to Jurassic jets with captains’ pay less than what a first officer earns at Ryanair or EZ Jet
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. Oh well it happens.How can one compare the flying of latest technology aircraft with excellent maintenance (EZ and FR) to Jurassic jets with captains’ pay less than what a first officer earns at Ryanair or EZ Jet
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The malcontent has an axe to grind with EZ, quite apparent from his post history. What ever people say about EZ or RYR, they are still a million times better option that sitting in Africa living in a tree making peanuts and flying a clapped out treeholer (Been there done that, got the T-shirt).
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nuageblanc thinks dicking around in icing over France in an ATR/ Saab or whatever wonderplanes Regional operates is better than easy jet, well, enjoy winter, unless you have managed to slip through the AF loony tests.
whatedoesthisbuttondo seems to have a bit of a problem with the Irish.
Why don't you join CaptKremin's playgroup cherub, he works for the "other Irish" so he may be able to stop you disgracing yourself with racist comments but you can still spend your time slagging off RYR to your hearts content.
Have any of you who mention RYR/EZY in the same breath as some dodgy African 727 operator actually done anything like that ? ? if you had perhaps your global view of the industry might be more rounded. You should, as they say, "get out more".
whatedoesthisbuttondo seems to have a bit of a problem with the Irish.
Why don't you join CaptKremin's playgroup cherub, he works for the "other Irish" so he may be able to stop you disgracing yourself with racist comments but you can still spend your time slagging off RYR to your hearts content.
Have any of you who mention RYR/EZY in the same breath as some dodgy African 727 operator actually done anything like that ? ? if you had perhaps your global view of the industry might be more rounded. You should, as they say, "get out more".
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Captain playstation, when I joined DB there was no ATR nor SAAB. Now I am in the mainline of the same group (GAF, you have probably heard about).
You are no longer in france because your rubish company (rayanair) dont want to pay french taxes, at least easy jet pays french taxes. so as long as Mickeal o leary wont pay those mandatory taxes, you will remain "no longer in france" because ryanair will not be able to set up a base in france. Irish wine and cheese is not so bad after all
And should we remind that those people in marseille base work illegally in france because they have no french contract!!!!
Proud to be in such a "company" arent you ??
Enjoy your 6 sectors a day and your forced unpaid leave in winter, your 900 hours a year and your unexistant social insurance and pension scheme
PS: I am sorry you failed the tests in AF.
You are no longer in france because your rubish company (rayanair) dont want to pay french taxes, at least easy jet pays french taxes. so as long as Mickeal o leary wont pay those mandatory taxes, you will remain "no longer in france" because ryanair will not be able to set up a base in france. Irish wine and cheese is not so bad after all
And should we remind that those people in marseille base work illegally in france because they have no french contract!!!!
Proud to be in such a "company" arent you ??
Enjoy your 6 sectors a day and your forced unpaid leave in winter, your 900 hours a year and your unexistant social insurance and pension scheme
PS: I am sorry you failed the tests in AF.
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Just for your info, I left France voluntarily for somewhere that the sun shines more & the bullsh@t level is lower.
I wasn't based in France with Ryanair, but Belgium, hence the incentive to move if you like to see the sun more than a couple of times each year.
In this industry being "based" in France may seem to you like a reason for the French government to demand you have a French contract. Ryanair however chooses to respect instead the norms of the industry, which I believe are perfectly legal in Ireland (and we are an Irish company in YOUR country - because you are incapable of creating a low cost carrier yourself it seems if we look at the "success" of Transavia France - not a French company) and the contract of the individual and taxes and charges of the individual are pŕid in the country of the employer (location of their siege social v.f. ? )which is perfectly acceptable within European legislation for this industry, if not to Mr Sarkozy.
BTW 6 sector days are flown at very few bases because generally most have sectors that are too long, bet you did them in Regional, no ? or was that too close to actually doing a days work to be acceptable.
Air France ? me ? you are joking. Why would I at my age want to spend the rest of my life sitting in the wrong seat alongside some prima donna that thinks he is gods gift to aviation, good luck pandering to the ego's of some you will fly with, not for me thanks, anyhow I would NEVER pass the French test, there you go some ammunition to hit me back with.
I wasn't based in France with Ryanair, but Belgium, hence the incentive to move if you like to see the sun more than a couple of times each year.
In this industry being "based" in France may seem to you like a reason for the French government to demand you have a French contract. Ryanair however chooses to respect instead the norms of the industry, which I believe are perfectly legal in Ireland (and we are an Irish company in YOUR country - because you are incapable of creating a low cost carrier yourself it seems if we look at the "success" of Transavia France - not a French company) and the contract of the individual and taxes and charges of the individual are pŕid in the country of the employer (location of their siege social v.f. ? )which is perfectly acceptable within European legislation for this industry, if not to Mr Sarkozy.
BTW 6 sector days are flown at very few bases because generally most have sectors that are too long, bet you did them in Regional, no ? or was that too close to actually doing a days work to be acceptable.
Air France ? me ? you are joking. Why would I at my age want to spend the rest of my life sitting in the wrong seat alongside some prima donna that thinks he is gods gift to aviation, good luck pandering to the ego's of some you will fly with, not for me thanks, anyhow I would NEVER pass the French test, there you go some ammunition to hit me back with.
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Some individuals choose jobs for reasons the will produce best quality of life being home at base every evening without RONs. They probably don’t give a rat's a$$ about the politics. They have more important things to worry about than getting wrapped around the axle.
All they just want to pitch up do their job fly with good people, and go home after they have completed the mission for the day… and get paid for their work based on their contract which was agreed upon by both parties, which is the pilot and the company… not anyone else.
Does anyone really justify the right to criticize or comment about one's own choice?
All they just want to pitch up do their job fly with good people, and go home after they have completed the mission for the day… and get paid for their work based on their contract which was agreed upon by both parties, which is the pilot and the company… not anyone else.
Does anyone really justify the right to criticize or comment about one's own choice?
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I've said it before and I will say it again.
The ignore function - it's great!
Now only if we had some way of cancelling out all the arrogant french
at CDG who speak in French today even after its use was sited as a cause in the death of a pilot at that very airport.
Tell you what, lets go on strike, why? because the sun got up this morning!
Sorry couldn't resisit
Hope he\she\it takes the bait so I can't read his reply through my ignore function once more.
White cloud bashing, its fun join in !
The ignore function - it's great!
Now only if we had some way of cancelling out all the arrogant french
at CDG who speak in French today even after its use was sited as a cause in the death of a pilot at that very airport.Tell you what, lets go on strike, why? because the sun got up this morning!
Sorry couldn't resisit
Hope he\she\it takes the bait so I can't read his reply through my ignore function once more.
White cloud bashing, its fun join in !
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Air Farce or Easy. I would not have to think twice about that. Besides I don't speak frog nor do I want to. Regardless Captplaystations post pretty much sums it up.
Good on you ezydriver. I will have to get type rated on the ignore function as well.
Good on you ezydriver. I will have to get type rated on the ignore function as well.
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If you want to be home everyday, you'd better work in the post office or a bank.
Aviation is not doing 4 or 6 secors a days and going back to your flat, but since you remain in lowcost things you will never understand it and think you are in the paradise. Does the myth of the cavern sounds familiar to anyone of you?
I always laugh when I see french expat working for ryanair and saying Air France is not good enough for them
Captain playsation, there are so many AF pilots living in Nice, Toulouse, Aix en Provence, Corsica, Spain, Italy...
And yes, Ryanair people working at Marseille base work illegaly because they dont have french contracts.
And last, but not least, In CDG we speak french because we are in our country. Check what annex 10 of ICAO says !!! it will be the same in MAD, FCO, etc...
English people are frustrated because they cant understand anything else than english.
Aviation is not doing 4 or 6 secors a days and going back to your flat, but since you remain in lowcost things you will never understand it and think you are in the paradise. Does the myth of the cavern sounds familiar to anyone of you?
I always laugh when I see french expat working for ryanair and saying Air France is not good enough for them
Captain playsation, there are so many AF pilots living in Nice, Toulouse, Aix en Provence, Corsica, Spain, Italy...
And yes, Ryanair people working at Marseille base work illegaly because they dont have french contracts.
And last, but not least, In CDG we speak french because we are in our country. Check what annex 10 of ICAO says !!! it will be the same in MAD, FCO, etc...
English people are frustrated because they cant understand anything else than english.