No IR(A) Rating for ATPL(A)
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From: warsaw
No IR(A) Rating for ATPL(A)
Hello from Poland - I want to check if it is only our CAA interpretation or JAA family sickness.
The situation is as follows:
I had IR + ME, but all of them have expired - I have TR and SEP valid only.
I work as captain in multi-pilot airplane.
I can hardly imagine that SEP and MEP have piston (P) in name so they can expire, but I fly IR almost everyday and CAA removed it from the licence.
I cannot fly IR on SEP according my CAA.
Is the same interpretation in every country?
The situation is as follows:
I had IR + ME, but all of them have expired - I have TR and SEP valid only.
I work as captain in multi-pilot airplane.
I can hardly imagine that SEP and MEP have piston (P) in name so they can expire, but I fly IR almost everyday and CAA removed it from the licence.
I cannot fly IR on SEP according my CAA.
Is the same interpretation in every country?
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From: From the Hills
A multi-crew rating gives you a multi crew IR, therefore if you wish to fly IFR on a SEP or a MEP you will need to do a seperate Single Pilot aircraft Instrument rating revalidation test. So yes what you have stated above is correct.
Yes it is madness you can fly something of several tonnes to minima but you are not allowed to fly a single piston in IMC.
Yes it is madness you can fly something of several tonnes to minima but you are not allowed to fly a single piston in IMC.
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From: エリア88
Actually under JAA this isn't theoretically the case, its written into JAR that a MP/IR should also renew a SP/IR but unfortunately most member states didnt adopt this policy initially. The was talk a while back of the UK CAA changing but I dont think it ever happend. I guess we will have to wait and see what EASA brings now.
I agree with portsharbourflyer, its daft and it keeps the costs of GA rising. I know many commercial pilots who would have returned to light aircraft (after all the flight training loans have been paid off) but are not prepaid to go through the time and expense of a full CAA IR flight test after the 7 years have elapsed on the rating.
I agree with portsharbourflyer, its daft and it keeps the costs of GA rising. I know many commercial pilots who would have returned to light aircraft (after all the flight training loans have been paid off) but are not prepaid to go through the time and expense of a full CAA IR flight test after the 7 years have elapsed on the rating.
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From: South
Flying myself a modern, multi-crew A/C down to minima, I think that I do not have any more the skills to fly a single piston in IMC down to minima or worse to execute properly a go-around.
In multi crew environement plus all the automation that we have make us losing the IR basic learned at the flight school.
It rise the cost of flying GA but I think it's needed for safety.
In multi crew environement plus all the automation that we have make us losing the IR basic learned at the flight school.
It rise the cost of flying GA but I think it's needed for safety.
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From: UK
Absolutely right. It is completely different to do a ILS to minima in a Multi-Crew jet with all the bells and whistles, than in a single pilot multi/single engine aircraft. I for one wouldn't do it without a considerable amount of re-training and practice.
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From: Germany
Whilst I agree that it is very different, the fact is that if you fly 800 hours a year on a jet in northern europe, you are a good deal more current in real instrument conditions than the average single pilot IR holder.
I do actually maintain my single pilot instrument rating, although I hardly ever use it for real. So I think I am qualified to say that it depends.
As an aside on my last checkride I was amazed how long it took to fly a departure I regularly fly in my 737, the difference in pace is amazing even for a mooney!
I do actually maintain my single pilot instrument rating, although I hardly ever use it for real. So I think I am qualified to say that it depends.
As an aside on my last checkride I was amazed how long it took to fly a departure I regularly fly in my 737, the difference in pace is amazing even for a mooney!
