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To add to the mix-
There have been a number of Baby FO's who have migrated across to Mainline in the recent past. This is a trend that is likely to continue when vacancies arise as our CP appears to be more flexible than bmiR in allowing pilots to transfer when a demand exists.
Each of those transferees will have their reasons for transferring whether it be location, T & C's or the ambition to fly longhaul. Whatever the reason, if they can be released they should have priority over the hold pool. Until you're an employee you have limited status. I was fortunate to join bmi at a time of 'relative' growth and I can sympathise with those of you in the hold pool but your frustrations are unlikely to influence how business is done.
There have been a number of Baby FO's who have migrated across to Mainline in the recent past. This is a trend that is likely to continue when vacancies arise as our CP appears to be more flexible than bmiR in allowing pilots to transfer when a demand exists.
Each of those transferees will have their reasons for transferring whether it be location, T & C's or the ambition to fly longhaul. Whatever the reason, if they can be released they should have priority over the hold pool. Until you're an employee you have limited status. I was fortunate to join bmi at a time of 'relative' growth and I can sympathise with those of you in the hold pool but your frustrations are unlikely to influence how business is done.
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When I had my interview/sim there was 2 guys there, 1 from baby and 1 from bmir therefore I thought the holdpool had everyone in it. Didn't realise there was another pool although I heard these guys got a start whilst the "freeze" was on at the start of the year.
That said I did also hear tho that when it comes round to the they like to do it with 2 guys with no experience and 2 guys with experience. Any truth in that or did I make that up?
I know bmi are overcrewed at the mo but most of us in the pool are looking for a start date for summer '09.
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That said I did also hear tho that when it comes round to the they like to do it with 2 guys with no experience and 2 guys with experience. Any truth in that or did I make that up?
I know bmi are overcrewed at the mo but most of us in the pool are looking for a start date for summer '09.
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I'd be suprised if there's any recruitment till lufthansa decide what to do with bmi. If they decide to sell slots off then bmi will be very overcrewed any pilots could go ( but IMHO I think this is unlikely).
In term of the MAN LH being moved down to LHR it should have minimal impact on pilot nummbers as the pilots operating MAN were LHR based. Depending on the rotations of the AMM and CAI and the difference in crew required bmi maybe slightly over crewed on these. It would be a fair assumption that the AMM will still be a layover and that the CAI would change to a layover as it is currently on flight duty limits and the length of turn around time required for the A330 is significantly more than the A320/1.
In term of the MAN LH being moved down to LHR it should have minimal impact on pilot nummbers as the pilots operating MAN were LHR based. Depending on the rotations of the AMM and CAI and the difference in crew required bmi maybe slightly over crewed on these. It would be a fair assumption that the AMM will still be a layover and that the CAI would change to a layover as it is currently on flight duty limits and the length of turn around time required for the A330 is significantly more than the A320/1.
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From one of the BALPA reps on the BALPA website, "Apparently, Amman and Cairo will be there-and-backs."
AMM there and back will be a stretch FDP wise, but if the case then less crews would be required.
AMM there and back will be a stretch FDP wise, but if the case then less crews would be required.
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To be honest it's very sad to hear I also was aware of people moving from regional and baby as one chap was being interviewed at the same time as me but thought they were in the same "hold pool" as the rest of us.
Not good at all been in now for nearly a year and a half had one job, with an airline getting experience and they've gone bust costing around £15000 in training costs that im clearly not gonna get paid back, thought well if i can scrape through till the new year perhaps I might get some luck and ill get in there on a course with BMI. Now that Lufty have bought i imagine not much will happen till they have sorted out what they want to do with the group and then it's gonna be priority to the boys (rightly so i guess).
What did i do getting myself into all this is all i can ask myself.
Not good at all been in now for nearly a year and a half had one job, with an airline getting experience and they've gone bust costing around £15000 in training costs that im clearly not gonna get paid back, thought well if i can scrape through till the new year perhaps I might get some luck and ill get in there on a course with BMI. Now that Lufty have bought i imagine not much will happen till they have sorted out what they want to do with the group and then it's gonna be priority to the boys (rightly so i guess).
What did i do getting myself into all this is all i can ask myself.
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[quote=BIGBAD;4512581]I'd be suprised if there's any recruitment till lufthansa decide what to do with bmi. If they decide to sell slots off then bmi will be very overcrewed any pilots could go ( but IMHO I think this is unlikely).
In term of the MAN LH being moved down to LHR it should have minimal impact on pilot
Not quite correct BIGBAD..........something in the order of 7 or 8 pilots are MAN based and exclusively A330 (at the moment). Another thing to add into this melting pot of debate is the recent memo offering unpaid leave for a couple of months early in the New Year......hardly conducive to positive hiring if current guys are being offered this (all due to less airframes due heavy maintenance I believe)
In term of the MAN LH being moved down to LHR it should have minimal impact on pilot
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as the pilots operating MAN were LHR based. Depending on the rotations of the AMM and CAI and the difference in crew required bmi maybe slightly over crewed on these. It would be a fair assumption that the AMM will still be a layover and that the CAI would change to a layover as it is currently on flight duty limits and the length of turn around time required for the A330 is significantly more than the A320/1.[/quoteNot quite correct BIGBAD..........something in the order of 7 or 8 pilots are MAN based and exclusively A330 (at the moment). Another thing to add into this melting pot of debate is the recent memo offering unpaid leave for a couple of months early in the New Year......hardly conducive to positive hiring if current guys are being offered this (all due to less airframes due heavy maintenance I believe)
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bmi are presently over-crewed at the moment and that's unlikely to change until next summer, maybe longer. It all depends on the world economy/Lufthansa business strategy for the airline. I would actively seek a job elsewhere if you're swimming in the holding pool.
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doom & gloom
If yoùre in the hold pool for bmi i wouldn t hold your breath. The most recent communication form nigel turner is doom and gloom - with cut backs and looking for productivity increases in all departments. Being overcrewed by 50 odd pilots this month and 60 by next month this can only mean pilots getting the chop !!!!!
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Not whilst 757s and E145s are doing our routes. + the cutbacks are with bmibaby, which is a completely different model to mainline. 6 aircraft are alleviating the Airbus, allow for 10 crew per aircraft = 60. Unless they cut slots I can't see a big cull in the short term. Many retirees next year too with others jumping ship still.
Who knows, I've started playing the lottery again!
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with regards to the cutbacks at Baby, any avaialble positions in Mailine or Regional (of which there are presently none) will be offered, quite rightly, to people who have been affected by these job losses first.
However, if anybody accepted a move to either then it would be deemed as permanent (if there is such a thing these days). i.e. they would not be allowed back into baby IF recruitment was to start again...
And to the hold pool guys, don't expect anything in 2009....
Mr. B
However, if anybody accepted a move to either then it would be deemed as permanent (if there is such a thing these days). i.e. they would not be allowed back into baby IF recruitment was to start again...
And to the hold pool guys, don't expect anything in 2009....
Mr. B
