EZY Pay Rise 2008
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You are right in what you say. BALPA % must go up and we must unite if we have any chance just to maitain what we have next year. Just about all the guys I fly with are in BALPA but I think we should come up with a better way of getting hold of the non BALPA guys and get them to sign up. I think the last count we were 75% + not too bad but if we could get in to the 90%s then it would show real force, and yes lets pray for a RPI spike in Sept....
You are right in what you say. BALPA % must go up and we must unite if we have any chance just to maitain what we have next year. Just about all the guys I fly with are in BALPA but I think we should come up with a better way of getting hold of the non BALPA guys and get them to sign up. I think the last count we were 75% + not too bad but if we could get in to the 90%s then it would show real force, and yes lets pray for a RPI spike in Sept....
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Kraut, following that logic, if the company makes a loss then there should be pay cuts??
depends on what the Salary is based on. Should be the same as management salaries. Basic pay + Good times, "bonus payment". No profit, no bonus pay.
I know, lot of pilots would not like that idea. I would prefer it.
If you are flying for a "stable" airline, it should be ok. Not probably practical for "shaky" airlines.
EZY offerd something quite similar to the pilots a while ago, but the pilots declined that deal.
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Kraut, for the guys who have high fixed costs it is not desireable to have huge fluctuations in income. I could easily live with it, but I strongly oppose it for a different reason: I have 0% faith in our management being honest in profit related pay. In my mind, there is not the slightest bit of doubt that they would fiddle around with the figures and cry wolf come pay day and then magically recover afterwards. After all, they are managers and their job is to screw all employees as much as they can without an open revolt.
Regarding electricdeathjet's doomsday prophecy I suggest you read this easyJet.com - Q3 Interim Management Statement
I think that you will find that city boys have long memories if companies are directly lying 3 months before the fiscal year ends and I am sure too many greedy managers have a bonus hanging on FTSE100 accomplishment to risk that.
Regarding electricdeathjet's doomsday prophecy I suggest you read this easyJet.com - Q3 Interim Management Statement
I think that you will find that city boys have long memories if companies are directly lying 3 months before the fiscal year ends and I am sure too many greedy managers have a bonus hanging on FTSE100 accomplishment to risk that.
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Answers to original question:
1) No
2) Nothing whatsoever
3) Absorbed by increased cost of living.
Spare a thought for the Guys & Girls in Dortmund who have been given the shove. The same might happen in the UK this Winter.
As Dolly Parton used to sing, "Don't sweat the small stuff"
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1) No
2) Nothing whatsoever
3) Absorbed by increased cost of living.
Spare a thought for the Guys & Girls in Dortmund who have been given the shove. The same might happen in the UK this Winter.
As Dolly Parton used to sing, "Don't sweat the small stuff"
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Guys, I agree totally NOT to trust our mangement at all. But as a PLC there are written rules which could be checked out by financial specialists.
For me all phrases (better place to work, etc) coming from Lalaland are just prpaganda for preparation to erode our working conditions.
And I have no bad feeling to make my opinion public, as newbees or even experienced pilots may believe to much orange phrases.
Itīs just an airline with job security, good aircraft and a fixed rosterpattern. Nothing else. If you are at the wrong base, you are flying your ar.s.e. off, fight aginst crewing which try everyday some tricks against you.
Thatīs reality, which deserves a pay raise!
For me all phrases (better place to work, etc) coming from Lalaland are just prpaganda for preparation to erode our working conditions.
And I have no bad feeling to make my opinion public, as newbees or even experienced pilots may believe to much orange phrases.
Itīs just an airline with job security, good aircraft and a fixed rosterpattern. Nothing else. If you are at the wrong base, you are flying your ar.s.e. off, fight aginst crewing which try everyday some tricks against you.
Thatīs reality, which deserves a pay raise!
At the moment, the only thing that stands black and white on paper is redundancy for the DTM people should the base close. Still waiting on firm offers for redeployment..CDG is not mentioned as yet, not even as a 'possibility'.
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5150 perhaps if the BALPA deal was so crap you should've continued paying your subs and stood for election. Instead you chose to undermine the BALPA position at future negotiations 
. If you bothered to do some research you'd find that the last paydeal was one of the better ones. Not ideal by any means but better than what we'll get if others follow your ill conceived idea.
. If you bothered to do some research you'd find that the last paydeal was one of the better ones. Not ideal by any means but better than what we'll get if others follow your ill conceived idea.
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5150, if Balpa don't negotiate a good enough deal next time if you're not a member how will you let them know?? At least if you re-join you can vote no on the paydeal, voice your displeasure on the website forum etc etc. A lot of members thought the last deal could have been better (however left to CV it would have been much worse) but we didn't all leave as a result! Most realise that would only weaken balpa massively.
We can all either get behind Balpa and defend our T&C's or just give up, leave Bapla and watch our T&C's plummet!!!!
Do you want to turn and face the problem or let it sneak up behind you??
We can all either get behind Balpa and defend our T&C's or just give up, leave Bapla and watch our T&C's plummet!!!!
Do you want to turn and face the problem or let it sneak up behind you??
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I see you are ex services. RAF. I am ex services too. Army.
Three things I have learned
1. Never volunteer.
2. Dont worry about what people think of you as they will not remember you when you have gone.
3. If you want loyalty get a dog.
I am certainly not a selfish person. I may be an idiot. I realise BALPA membership is an emotive issue but I consider that union to be overly expensive. If I was a member and f**ked up they would wash their hands of me anyway. As for financial advice and the other benefits ,there are better and cheaper products out there on the market. As for pay negotiations, well should I ever become unhappy with my lot I will obtain better employment and leave ( voting with my feet).
Lets not get too emotive shall we.
I see you are ex services. RAF. I am ex services too. Army.
Three things I have learned
1. Never volunteer.
2. Dont worry about what people think of you as they will not remember you when you have gone.
3. If you want loyalty get a dog.
I am certainly not a selfish person. I may be an idiot. I realise BALPA membership is an emotive issue but I consider that union to be overly expensive. If I was a member and f**ked up they would wash their hands of me anyway. As for financial advice and the other benefits ,there are better and cheaper products out there on the market. As for pay negotiations, well should I ever become unhappy with my lot I will obtain better employment and leave ( voting with my feet).
Lets not get too emotive shall we.
Management are reading this so instead of Ideas Pay I will submit this cost saving measure for others to discuss. I think it might get quite a bit of support from about 70% of the pilots.
When the next pay deal is arranged, it should only apply to BALPA members who have paid subs to have specialist negotiators act on their behalf.
Non members can negotiate thier own pay deals.
This would save at least 4-5% of one ex army chaps salary for next year management bonus!
When the next pay deal is arranged, it should only apply to BALPA members who have paid subs to have specialist negotiators act on their behalf.
Non members can negotiate thier own pay deals.
This would save at least 4-5% of one ex army chaps salary for next year management bonus!
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Guys,
Don't forget the pilots on spanish contracts within easyJet who is not included in the RPI + 1/2 %, they have been offered a ridiculous "payrise" or paycut (which ever way you look at it), and currently negotiations have been stalled by management. Effectively pilots have been without an agreement since february 2008, while inflation in Spain at the moment is 5.1%, expected to peak at 5.5% in September.
Support and join BALPA.
Don't forget the pilots on spanish contracts within easyJet who is not included in the RPI + 1/2 %, they have been offered a ridiculous "payrise" or paycut (which ever way you look at it), and currently negotiations have been stalled by management. Effectively pilots have been without an agreement since february 2008, while inflation in Spain at the moment is 5.1%, expected to peak at 5.5% in September.
Support and join BALPA.
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St.Nic,
Are you saying that if you were a member and you had an accident or incident, and a court of law found you culpably negligent or deliberately criminal, you'd expect BALPA still to support you? Neither the BMA nor the Law Society would stand by a doctor or solicitor in those circumstances so why would you expect it of BALPA?
If you don't like the prospect of being a BALPA member, preferring to free-load, I have a suggestion: Why don't you donate 1% (0.6% after tax-relief) of your salary to a charity? How about an ex-forces organisation?
If I was a member and f**ked up they would wash their hands of me anyway.
If you don't like the prospect of being a BALPA member, preferring to free-load, I have a suggestion: Why don't you donate 1% (0.6% after tax-relief) of your salary to a charity? How about an ex-forces organisation?
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RPI now 5% and forcast to go up again next month. Pay rise should be close to 6% now!
Will probably be wiped out by the sector pay HMRC are going to take away from us.
Will probably be wiped out by the sector pay HMRC are going to take away from us.