BA CityFlyer lifestyle / roster
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BA CityFlyer lifestyle / roster
Hi,
I've done a search with no luck. Can anybody please help me with information on rosters, and quality of life with CityFlyer?
I'm interested in roster stability, typical days on/ days off, leave, and of course renumeration.
Any info gratefully received.
Thanks
Flying Ape
I've done a search with no luck. Can anybody please help me with information on rosters, and quality of life with CityFlyer?
I'm interested in roster stability, typical days on/ days off, leave, and of course renumeration.
Any info gratefully received.
Thanks
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Pay at BACF: The pay details on PPJN are accurate and up to date. We have not received a pay rise in over 3 years. Flybe Q400 Capt's are better paid than our RJ Capt. The chief pilot is living in cloud cuckoo land regarding some of the idiotic things he has said recently regarding our pay! Many pilots, especially those recently upgraded to capt are actively looking else where. If the company, Chief Pilot, does not change his messed up ideas expect more people to leave the company as soon as they can. 
Flight Crew moral is at an all time low!!!!
Nightstops: You can request Min or Max night stops. Can be anything between 5 and 10 a month. Depends on your roster.
Roster is fairly stable.
If you have no other choice but to come over to BACF feel free. Otherwise stay away. Same style of crew management as the old days, just different initials!!!!
RJ.
Flight Crew moral is at an all time low!!!!
Nightstops: You can request Min or Max night stops. Can be anything between 5 and 10 a month. Depends on your roster.
Roster is fairly stable.
If you have no other choice but to come over to BACF feel free. Otherwise stay away. Same style of crew management as the old days, just different initials!!!!
RJ.
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Well I work at CityFlyer..........and I like it!
I also like hitting myself on the head with a stick.
They need to sort the pay out or I'll be off.
Folk who work here are a good bunch though and as a 'flying job', it must rate highly at least in the airlines. LCY adds a bit of interest and the destinations are quite varied with a fair few nights away.
You can make a good living if you do lots of overtime, but otherwise the money is way out of date!
I also like hitting myself on the head with a stick.
They need to sort the pay out or I'll be off.
Folk who work here are a good bunch though and as a 'flying job', it must rate highly at least in the airlines. LCY adds a bit of interest and the destinations are quite varied with a fair few nights away.
You can make a good living if you do lots of overtime, but otherwise the money is way out of date!
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You will only be based in Edi , Iver.
But beware, everything the previous guys have written is true, it's not a place people want to stay right now. Morale really is low and the chief pilot doesn't just live in cloud cuckoo land , he is downright insulting in how he chooses to treat his crews with regards to T&Cs.
Anyway, if you're mad enough to want to join, good luck and hope you enjoy it!
ST
But beware, everything the previous guys have written is true, it's not a place people want to stay right now. Morale really is low and the chief pilot doesn't just live in cloud cuckoo land , he is downright insulting in how he chooses to treat his crews with regards to T&Cs.
Anyway, if you're mad enough to want to join, good luck and hope you enjoy it!
ST
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take as you find but i know CP and have found him to be a good bloke - crap golfer though!!
As to the ts and Cs i think that these decisions are taken well above his head, you would be better directiong your frustration higher up.
As to the ts and Cs i think that these decisions are taken well above his head, you would be better directiong your frustration higher up.
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I agree with 3Greens and BarbiesBoyfriend makes a valid point as well.
Don't know where this low moral B***** comes from. Yes the pay is low (valid point!!!) and stuff needs to get sorted (also scope) but the atmostphere on nightstops, in the crewroom and just every day line flying is great. LCY is fun to fly in-and out of daily and the RJ is a great plane for many of us low time f/o's!
I'm doing around 5 to 9 nightstops a month. Positioning sectors are going down, so more chance for operating sectors. Still not a lot of flying per month though. (average for me around 42 hours a month over a 6 month period) You'll be away a lot with relatively low flying hours to balance that. They guy at schedueling is really good and helpful as well with stable rosters. 11 days off in June plus 4 stanby days. (incl. my LPC/OPC trip that month) Seem to have mostly the saturday off with the occasionally late sunday start.
I seem to be asked to work overtime more and more in the last month which is good for the bank balance.
All in all, I'm happy here with just the money to complain about.
Don't forget that we're expanding whilst others are maintaining current growth, some are even downsizing and others have even gone bust. (euromanx)
Just my thoughts. Shoot me for being positive!
Don't know where this low moral B***** comes from. Yes the pay is low (valid point!!!) and stuff needs to get sorted (also scope) but the atmostphere on nightstops, in the crewroom and just every day line flying is great. LCY is fun to fly in-and out of daily and the RJ is a great plane for many of us low time f/o's!
I'm doing around 5 to 9 nightstops a month. Positioning sectors are going down, so more chance for operating sectors. Still not a lot of flying per month though. (average for me around 42 hours a month over a 6 month period) You'll be away a lot with relatively low flying hours to balance that. They guy at schedueling is really good and helpful as well with stable rosters. 11 days off in June plus 4 stanby days. (incl. my LPC/OPC trip that month) Seem to have mostly the saturday off with the occasionally late sunday start.
I seem to be asked to work overtime more and more in the last month which is good for the bank balance.
All in all, I'm happy here with just the money to complain about.
Don't forget that we're expanding whilst others are maintaining current growth, some are even downsizing and others have even gone bust. (euromanx)
Just my thoughts. Shoot me for being positive!
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pay is a serous issue, Disruption is high for capt`s with lots of last minute changes. With the new routes the F / O`s will start working a bit more lots of talk and rumor about changing aircraft and still no news about the future when our current scope agreement ends. The good news has been the new aircraft and the extra routes but no information about important up coming decisions. I`m sure we are going to start loosing people very soon, and if that happens it will be a snow ball effect as things get worse, are people really going to stay to fly a Q400?
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No, they'll go to Flybe to fly a Q400 as the pay is a lot better and they don't get the Waterworld politics anymore.........
Best of luck to you all, the old RJ is not the beast to be on with fuel at the prices it is now....Except for the Autoland, the Q400 is a more modern a/c than the RJ and just as much fun to fly.
Best of luck to you all, the old RJ is not the beast to be on with fuel at the prices it is now....Except for the Autoland, the Q400 is a more modern a/c than the RJ and just as much fun to fly.
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Dreamer.
Compare the fuel flows. compare the likely loads, compare the overheads. Golf with a mate of the CP recently confirmed the future - it's props!
Compare the fuel flows. compare the likely loads, compare the overheads. Golf with a mate of the CP recently confirmed the future - it's props!
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In general. Maybe I should have been a bit more specific. I don't know the CP well, almost not. So I wasn't refering in any way to him and everything to do with him. So I can't judge here.
@ RJ100: I honestly can't see the low moral on the flightdeck. I know people complain about pay, T&C's, and future. Low moral for me is when people can't be bothered about the company.
And since you're interested. The 757 after my name is to do with the company I used to work for (it's in the name) flew 757's and I had a great time with them.
@ Moku. I understand your position and it's totally different than mine and you're right so to be upset! I've heard the stories and especially for Capt's it's been downhill for many years and needs to get sorted ASAP.
A question was asked and I shared my mind as to how I feel in/with this company as a low time F/O. Turning this job down when offered would have been suicide for me. And yes, it's difficult pay wise.
And please don't let it be the Q4.
@ RJ100: I honestly can't see the low moral on the flightdeck. I know people complain about pay, T&C's, and future. Low moral for me is when people can't be bothered about the company.
And since you're interested. The 757 after my name is to do with the company I used to work for (it's in the name
) flew 757's and I had a great time with them. @ Moku. I understand your position and it's totally different than mine and you're right so to be upset! I've heard the stories and especially for Capt's it's been downhill for many years and needs to get sorted ASAP.
A question was asked and I shared my mind as to how I feel in/with this company as a low time F/O. Turning this job down when offered would have been suicide for me. And yes, it's difficult pay wise.
And please don't let it be the Q4.
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DB - If it IS the Q4 it will be because those that do the business planning can see that it is a very good aircraft for BACF's operation - so better for you and the future of your job I think? And if your concern is about the aeroplane itself don't knock it until you've tried it!!
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DB- your view point about CP taken.
As to the issue of the low moral B***** (as you put it) it is not B*****!
You'd be suprised by the number of people who actually can't be bothered about the company. (Your definition of low moral)
Most of us like the people we fly with, the routes and LCY, but as far the actual company is concerned not too many people actually care about that.
As to the issue of the low moral B***** (as you put it) it is not B*****!
You'd be suprised by the number of people who actually can't be bothered about the company. (Your definition of low moral)
Most of us like the people we fly with, the routes and LCY, but as far the actual company is concerned not too many people actually care about that.
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I have been reading the previous posts with interest.
I used to fly on this fleet when it was part of citiexpress. In those days big BA decided it no longer wanted to be asociated with turboprops. Since then all the rest of the company has been disposed of, mostly to Eastern and Flybe.
In my opinion there are only two reasons why cityflyer is in existance.
One is that they are tied into the leases on the RJ's, now coming to an end. the other is LCY.
Now that mainline are about to start thier own 318 opps from the city I would think the writing is on the wall.
If any Q400's show up it will only be so Flybe can be persuaded to take on what's left.
I used to fly on this fleet when it was part of citiexpress. In those days big BA decided it no longer wanted to be asociated with turboprops. Since then all the rest of the company has been disposed of, mostly to Eastern and Flybe.
In my opinion there are only two reasons why cityflyer is in existance.
One is that they are tied into the leases on the RJ's, now coming to an end. the other is LCY.
Now that mainline are about to start thier own 318 opps from the city I would think the writing is on the wall.
If any Q400's show up it will only be so Flybe can be persuaded to take on what's left.
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