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Hi Netjets people, I am considering a move to netjets....
I was wondering how many of you actually live within an hour of your gateway airport?
If you dont live within an hour, how far away do you live?
Would being 2 hours away be a hassel?
How does it work when you fly out initially, do you typically leave early to a major hub?
Cheers for your help.
OSOP
I was wondering how many of you actually live within an hour of your gateway airport?
If you dont live within an hour, how far away do you live?
Would being 2 hours away be a hassel?
How does it work when you fly out initially, do you typically leave early to a major hub?
Cheers for your help.
OSOP
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My original gateway was Heathrow. On a good day with a following wind I could be there in 45 min. However, I used to take the bus so it took 1hr 15 min. On the other hand, I didn't have to park a car and wrestle with the shuttles to the terminal. To say I hated LHR with a passion is an understatement.
Nowadays, my gateway is sunny Luton. 20 min and I am there. Unless the M1 is chockers and then it takes 30 min.
2 hours wouldn't be a hassle but it's up to you to get to the gateway on time. Others do live further away. Fortunately home standby with a mad scramble is rare.
Early shows used to be common place but I have found that they are the exception now. On rare occasions I get a 0400z show, but last week I got a 1400z show.
The norm for me is somewhere between 0800z and 1000z.
Other gateways may have a different experience.
Nowadays, my gateway is sunny Luton. 20 min and I am there. Unless the M1 is chockers and then it takes 30 min.
2 hours wouldn't be a hassle but it's up to you to get to the gateway on time. Others do live further away. Fortunately home standby with a mad scramble is rare.
Early shows used to be common place but I have found that they are the exception now. On rare occasions I get a 0400z show, but last week I got a 1400z show.
The norm for me is somewhere between 0800z and 1000z.Other gateways may have a different experience.
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If I actually get the job, I'll be 20 minutes away and turning cartwheels in relief and delight at not having to schlep to and from London on the $#%@!!! train any more.
Fingers crossed.
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Cheers Red,
For the 0400Z "show", would it be fair to assume you mean you are there for the statutory 2 hour check-in debacle that we have in the UK. From what you have said, is the company not particularly fussed about where you live as long as you can make it to your gateway for the departing flights or are people slightly misleading when it comes to where they live?
Any of you that fly out of Manchester, I would be particularly keen to hear your comments.
Thanks,
OSOP
For the 0400Z "show", would it be fair to assume you mean you are there for the statutory 2 hour check-in debacle that we have in the UK. From what you have said, is the company not particularly fussed about where you live as long as you can make it to your gateway for the departing flights or are people slightly misleading when it comes to where they live?
Any of you that fly out of Manchester, I would be particularly keen to hear your comments.
Thanks,
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The company are really not interested in where you live as long as you turn up at your gateway at your briefed show time (planned as 1 hour before airline depart). For home standby, which is a briefed 12 hour time period, you have 45 minutes to leave the house, and 1 hour to get to the airport for your show time, which is 1 hour before airline depart time. How you make sure you comply with the requirements is up to you, we are all grown ups (I think?)
As an aside, the roster is stable, the aircraft are nice, and 99.9% of your colleagues are a pleasure to work with. Have a good day.
As an aside, the roster is stable, the aircraft are nice, and 99.9% of your colleagues are a pleasure to work with. Have a good day.
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Quite a few ex Air Force boys with a Manchester gateway live in North Yorkshire, and it works for them fine. This is the deal, 45 minutes to leave house, 1 hour to gateway 1 hour to check in if you are on home standby. I have to say in nearly 5 years home standbys have been a rare event, but i do talk to some guys who get alot of home standby duties. If you had your bags packed and able to just sling your stuff on and go, you've made 40 minutes (less 5 to get ready) straight away. Immeadiatly check in online before you leave home and print your boarding pass (they would give your airline details over the telephone) and you've just got yourself another 45 minutes, but that takes you down to -15 on the airline departure and you'd have to go straight to the gate. Just take 2 bags through security, which i would always advocate in any event, and you'll be fine. Rather tighter than one would like but HAS been done more than once at Manchester.
In short if you live much more than 2 hours away it could be tight, with you having to park at Man, get the bus, security etc etc. As i recall the last time i was given a home standby i was called at 0900 for a 1600 airline, so no major issue, but you COULD be unlucky one day. Just looking at the odds though of a huge scheduling problem occuring when
a) You are on a home standby and not on tour
b) Someone on your fleet going sick or aircraft going tech
c) scheduling not being able to find another option
d) them having enough time to call you (2:45)
e) they have an airline available to get you to where the problem is
the odds of you actually being called out at short notice reduce every time you throw one of those variables in the mix and you probably will never get caught out. What is more likely to happen is that it will be a planned affair and everyone will be happy. Also in winter, as many of us are seeing now, there is quite abit of slack in the system, so i'm sure they will look at other options before they start spending money on airlines. Summer is busy, so your probably not going to get a home standby anyway.
On most occasions when you are scheduled for a tour, you get your details at about 5 ish the day before and just give yourself enough time to get to the airport.
Hope that helps, but i wouldn't worry about it at all.
Good Luck
Quite a few ex Air Force boys with a Manchester gateway live in North Yorkshire, and it works for them fine. This is the deal, 45 minutes to leave house, 1 hour to gateway 1 hour to check in if you are on home standby. I have to say in nearly 5 years home standbys have been a rare event, but i do talk to some guys who get alot of home standby duties. If you had your bags packed and able to just sling your stuff on and go, you've made 40 minutes (less 5 to get ready) straight away. Immeadiatly check in online before you leave home and print your boarding pass (they would give your airline details over the telephone) and you've just got yourself another 45 minutes, but that takes you down to -15 on the airline departure and you'd have to go straight to the gate. Just take 2 bags through security, which i would always advocate in any event, and you'll be fine. Rather tighter than one would like but HAS been done more than once at Manchester.
In short if you live much more than 2 hours away it could be tight, with you having to park at Man, get the bus, security etc etc. As i recall the last time i was given a home standby i was called at 0900 for a 1600 airline, so no major issue, but you COULD be unlucky one day. Just looking at the odds though of a huge scheduling problem occuring when
a) You are on a home standby and not on tour
b) Someone on your fleet going sick or aircraft going tech
c) scheduling not being able to find another option
d) them having enough time to call you (2:45)
e) they have an airline available to get you to where the problem is
the odds of you actually being called out at short notice reduce every time you throw one of those variables in the mix and you probably will never get caught out. What is more likely to happen is that it will be a planned affair and everyone will be happy. Also in winter, as many of us are seeing now, there is quite abit of slack in the system, so i'm sure they will look at other options before they start spending money on airlines. Summer is busy, so your probably not going to get a home standby anyway.
On most occasions when you are scheduled for a tour, you get your details at about 5 ish the day before and just give yourself enough time to get to the airport.
Hope that helps, but i wouldn't worry about it at all.
Good Luck
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Ok, the 0400z show would be to operate a flight. One of the advantages of a Luton Gateway is that I often pick up the aircraft at Luton and or drop it off there. Just stroll off and head to the carpark.
Gold.. Ok, the 0400z show would be to operate a flight. One of the advantages of a Luton Gateway is that I often pick up the aircraft at Luton and or drop it off there. Just stroll off and head to the carpark.
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Ah yes good point Mrs R, if you live near a gateway like Luton and live over two hours away and thats where the aircraft is you could have a problem because you are not going to get the 1 hour to check in. There is no way round that one i'm afraid, i have only picked a jet up on day one in Manchester a couple of times so again the probablities are fairly low.
I'm abit bored this afternoon so i've been exercising the old grey matter and i reckon that the worst place to live for a Northern based Netjets Pilot is a line between Carlisle and Newcastle basically along the A69 towards Hexham then curving just to the North of Newcastle. Of course thats not to say you couldn't live there, Netjets have guys based in Cornwall with Heathrow gateways who travel the night before, just puts your costs up abit. A cost which you would be able to claim on you annual tax return though.
I have NEVER seen a standby starting earlier than 4z, and even if they called you at 4z you would be looking at the 0700 departures to London AMS or CDG in which case you'd still make it easily. You just need your kit ready, be able to go and check in online incase it gets tight.
I'm abit bored this afternoon so i've been exercising the old grey matter and i reckon that the worst place to live for a Northern based Netjets Pilot is a line between Carlisle and Newcastle basically along the A69 towards Hexham then curving just to the North of Newcastle. Of course thats not to say you couldn't live there, Netjets have guys based in Cornwall with Heathrow gateways who travel the night before, just puts your costs up abit. A cost which you would be able to claim on you annual tax return though.
I have NEVER seen a standby starting earlier than 4z, and even if they called you at 4z you would be looking at the 0700 departures to London AMS or CDG in which case you'd still make it easily. You just need your kit ready, be able to go and check in online incase it gets tight.
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SB, we had one guy leave because he was living in Newcastle but the commute to Manchester ate into his time too much. This was in the days of DM and evil Scheduling demons. I don't know what the average show time is for EGCC these days.
We do have a few guys in the Bristol area with Thiefrow as a Gateway. They do get the odd early shows for airlining.
Perhaps our friend "Gone til November" can shed some light.
Although, I see OSOP is a Manchester person.
We do have a few guys in the Bristol area with Thiefrow as a Gateway. They do get the odd early shows for airlining.
Perhaps our friend "Gone til November" can shed some light.
Although, I see OSOP is a Manchester person.
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Got to say my experience is similar to yours Reddo with shows usually being between 8 and 10z.
I think OSOP's main concern is home standby and getting called out. I was having a beer with a Bravo guy based in Cardiff who had a bit of a problem as i recall after a call out from a standy for an airline. Think Bristol would be tight.
I think OSOP's main concern is home standby and getting called out. I was having a beer with a Bravo guy based in Cardiff who had a bit of a problem as i recall after a call out from a standy for an airline. Think Bristol would be tight.
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SB and Red, thats golden info thanks! A really good insight into the way it works. It sounds like it could work in my circumstance.
SB, your assumption about home standby is correct... How often would you say that you are on home standby from Manchester.
Thanks again for your help.
SB, your assumption about home standby is correct... How often would you say that you are on home standby from Manchester.
Thanks again for your help.
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Home standby doesn't happen not very often for me. My last was about a month ago and i was standby from 4z, got a call at 9z for 16z airline. Before that i can't recall it has been that long, but at least 12 months.
I had a 4 day tour this week and the co-pilot (who lives in N Yorkshire) was on 6 days, the first two days he spent at home on standby and his 3rd day we met at Manchester, and he had been briefed the day before for that.
During the winter my average roster has been 14 days, which i consider pretty good.
I had a 4 day tour this week and the co-pilot (who lives in N Yorkshire) was on 6 days, the first two days he spent at home on standby and his 3rd day we met at Manchester, and he had been briefed the day before for that.
During the winter my average roster has been 14 days, which i consider pretty good.
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Smeagels Fella and Mrs Reddo are both right - very little home standby. I think I've had one day in the last 5 years.
However,......
What you have to watch is Line Training. During training you WILL do home standby, and there is a fair chance of doing something, albeit not necessarily at minimum notice. Once you're on-line, home standbys are largely a thing of the past. What you will do is standby ON TOUR, IN THE HOTEL (or at beach, pool etc!!)
Hope that helps.
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However,......
What you have to watch is Line Training. During training you WILL do home standby, and there is a fair chance of doing something, albeit not necessarily at minimum notice. Once you're on-line, home standbys are largely a thing of the past. What you will do is standby ON TOUR, IN THE HOTEL (or at beach, pool etc!!)
Hope that helps.
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How ironic. I just did a home standby today. (aircraft in maintenance). However, flying tomorrow.
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Home stand by becoming more frequent on the H400, I think due to a back log of line training.
In my 3 years with NJ, have been on home stand by a few times, but never actually called.
I wouldnt worry about it.
In my 3 years with NJ, have been on home stand by a few times, but never actually called.
I wouldnt worry about it.
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As a (soon to be ex) longhaul commuter living in Cheshire, I can confirm that getting into carpark west, just missing the bus and waiting for the next one usually takes longer than actually driving from home to MAN. If you live within a 20 mile radius which takes in much of the commuter belt area then an hour from leaving home to staggering into T3 should do it.
Those living slightly further out seem to manage in much the same timescale. Generally, two hours from pit to checkin will cover most scenarios unless you live in the middle of nowhere away from the motorways or rail network. There is a station at MAN and the trains even run on time some days.
During the week at peak times another 30 mins to fight your way through the chaos of the BA check in/so called fast bag drop and a further 15 minutes to have your shaving kit stolen by "security" would be advisable. I will be investing in a smaller bag and using on line check in wherever possible.
Those with a Heathrow gateway have my deepest sympathy.
Those living slightly further out seem to manage in much the same timescale. Generally, two hours from pit to checkin will cover most scenarios unless you live in the middle of nowhere away from the motorways or rail network. There is a station at MAN and the trains even run on time some days.
During the week at peak times another 30 mins to fight your way through the chaos of the BA check in/so called fast bag drop and a further 15 minutes to have your shaving kit stolen by "security" would be advisable. I will be investing in a smaller bag and using on line check in wherever possible.
Those with a Heathrow gateway have my deepest sympathy.
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I have another 200 hours to go before I can apply-
Do you guys still enjoy the flying and the company?
(I too would only be 20 mins from LTN - What are the car parking arrangements there?).
Do you guys still enjoy the flying and the company?
(I too would only be 20 mins from LTN - What are the car parking arrangements there?).
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What are the TT requirements to apply. I keep hearing people refer to 700 hours, but then on the website and form other people I hear 1500 TT (and ATPL) ??
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If you scroll down to the BizJet Forum you will see a thread that runs to several hundred entries all about life at NJE.
It'll take you over an hour to read it all and much of it is repeated, but by the end you will have answered pretty much every question you ever had about the company.
Happy reading!
If you scroll down to the BizJet Forum you will see a thread that runs to several hundred entries all about life at NJE.
It'll take you over an hour to read it all and much of it is repeated, but by the end you will have answered pretty much every question you ever had about the company.
Happy reading!
