BA Short Haul lifestyle
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BA Short Haul lifestyle
Hi all,
Looking for info on the Airbus SH roster, how many on/off and how many night stops etc. Also, the starting package for an F/O. Lastly, as 319's are going to LGW, what's LGW like as a base?
Many thanks in advance.
WTSS
Looking for info on the Airbus SH roster, how many on/off and how many night stops etc. Also, the starting package for an F/O. Lastly, as 319's are going to LGW, what's LGW like as a base?
Many thanks in advance.
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HI WTSS
In order to work to the min hours required each month you will do blocks of work (5-7 days) within those blocks can be anything from day trips to 5 day "tours", which obviously means 4 consecutive nights away. Each day can be anything from no work (day off down route (standover in BA speak)) to 4 sectors.
Night stops are usually 14-18 hours and follow either an early start or an afternoon start. You have controli your seniority of where you go, when you go and how long the trips are. At the start only as preferences on a blind line (a roster given to you by BA), but later after about 6 months on the 'bus you will bid for "trip line" of work. You will also do 2 or 3 reserve (standby) months in you first year, reducing to les than 1 a year after about3-4 years in.
Starting basic I think is £48500 and expect £10-15000 in allowances each year. As you may be able to tell I like the lifestyle with little time change and large variety of destinations.
My April roster is
1-3) off
4-5) 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
6-8) 3 day trip (1 sector, 2 sector(1pos), 3 sectors)
9-22) off (one weeks leave and "bid around for more time off)
23) day trip (2 sectors)
24)-25 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
26-27) 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
28 -29) off
30-2) 3 day trip (3 sectors, 4 setors, 3 sectors)
In order to work to the min hours required each month you will do blocks of work (5-7 days) within those blocks can be anything from day trips to 5 day "tours", which obviously means 4 consecutive nights away. Each day can be anything from no work (day off down route (standover in BA speak)) to 4 sectors.
Night stops are usually 14-18 hours and follow either an early start or an afternoon start. You have controli your seniority of where you go, when you go and how long the trips are. At the start only as preferences on a blind line (a roster given to you by BA), but later after about 6 months on the 'bus you will bid for "trip line" of work. You will also do 2 or 3 reserve (standby) months in you first year, reducing to les than 1 a year after about3-4 years in.
Starting basic I think is £48500 and expect £10-15000 in allowances each year. As you may be able to tell I like the lifestyle with little time change and large variety of destinations.
My April roster is
1-3) off
4-5) 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
6-8) 3 day trip (1 sector, 2 sector(1pos), 3 sectors)
9-22) off (one weeks leave and "bid around for more time off)
23) day trip (2 sectors)
24)-25 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
26-27) 2 day trip (2*3 sectors)
28 -29) off
30-2) 3 day trip (3 sectors, 4 setors, 3 sectors)
Last edited by TheKabaka; 12th Apr 2008 at 14:21. Reason: To add my April roster
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My April Roster
Hi,
My April roster is as follows:
1 Off
2-7 Six days of work, with 3 nights away. 1 night min. rest.
8-9 Off
10-13 Four days of work, 8 sectors, 3 nights away.
14-19 Off
20-25 Six days of work, with 3 nights away.
26-29 Off
30 Two sectors
Life is pretty chilled.
Good luck with the job hunting, feel free to PM for more specific questions.
My April roster is as follows:
1 Off
2-7 Six days of work, with 3 nights away. 1 night min. rest.
8-9 Off
10-13 Four days of work, 8 sectors, 3 nights away.
14-19 Off
20-25 Six days of work, with 3 nights away.
26-29 Off
30 Two sectors
Life is pretty chilled.
Good luck with the job hunting, feel free to PM for more specific questions.
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Flip side of the coin, from LGW... (I prefer day trips coz of my family...)
14 day trips (2 sectors each day, scattered through the month, Mon-Fri only)
4 days on standby. Called for a nightstop on one! OMG! Total 74hours flying.
I am 30% from the top of the seniority list.
Lower down there are lots of doubles available. If you are after N/stops from LGW there are plenty!
ATB
(ps ed to add, on 737 at mo, but will swop to the bus to keep my lifestyle!)
14 day trips (2 sectors each day, scattered through the month, Mon-Fri only)
4 days on standby. Called for a nightstop on one! OMG! Total 74hours flying.
I am 30% from the top of the seniority list.
Lower down there are lots of doubles available. If you are after N/stops from LGW there are plenty!
ATB
(ps ed to add, on 737 at mo, but will swop to the bus to keep my lifestyle!)
April
1-2 2 days six sector trip
3 daytrip
4-13 off (with duty free week, worked 7-10th (4 day trip 10 sectors) for overtime
14 day trip (since become day off since taken away for training)
15-17 3 day six sector trip
18-19 2 day 4 sector trip
20-24 off
25 daytrip
26-28 3 day 6 sector trip
29-30 2 day 6 sectors
Required credit/hours 86, actual (without overtime) 96 (with overtime 116) So this is a really busy roster! Still have 11 days (inc 2 weekends) off! As a commuter it's pretty hard work
1-2 2 days six sector trip
3 daytrip
4-13 off (with duty free week, worked 7-10th (4 day trip 10 sectors) for overtime
14 day trip (since become day off since taken away for training)
15-17 3 day six sector trip
18-19 2 day 4 sector trip
20-24 off
25 daytrip
26-28 3 day 6 sector trip
29-30 2 day 6 sectors
Required credit/hours 86, actual (without overtime) 96 (with overtime 116) So this is a really busy roster! Still have 11 days (inc 2 weekends) off! As a commuter it's pretty hard work
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Thanks all for your replies, much appreciated. 
Can I just clarify, starting at the bottom of the seniority list, would I be more likely get day trips or overnights? Or is it a case of whatever everyone else doesn't bid for, thats what I would get? I also have a family and would prefer to return home after a days' high altitude tea drinking
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Can I just clarify, starting at the bottom of the seniority list, would I be more likely get day trips or overnights? Or is it a case of whatever everyone else doesn't bid for, thats what I would get? I also have a family and would prefer to return home after a days' high altitude tea drinking
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At the bottom of the list you'll mostly be touring. Most people have a family and prefer to return home at the end of the day, so all high credit day trips are senior trips. A junior pilot will mostly be doing 3, 4 or 5 day early tours over the weekends. The junior lifestyle isn't that great and seniority for a command on the Airbus at LHR has dropped to 8 years this year, the lowest it's been for a very long time!
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If it helps provide some balance, month one in the company (well, you know) looks like this, assuming I get through the rest of the course.....
1-2: 2 * 3 sector days. UK nightstop. Training
3-4: Days off
5-6: 2 * 3 sector days. UK n/s. Trg.
7: Off
8: 2 sector day trip. Trg
9-10: Off
11-12: 2 * 3 sector days. UK n/s.
13: 2 sector day
14: 4 sector day
15-16: Off
17: 2 sector day
18: 4 sector day
19-20: Time assignable
21-23: Off
24: 2 sector day
25-26: 2 * 3 sector. N/S more exotic than UK!
27-30: Off
A fairly mixed bag but 16 days (inc the time assignable) off. A mix of report times. As expected - and expectation management has to be the key to enjoying it in the early days - no weekend days off.
1-2: 2 * 3 sector days. UK nightstop. Training
3-4: Days off
5-6: 2 * 3 sector days. UK n/s. Trg.
7: Off
8: 2 sector day trip. Trg
9-10: Off
11-12: 2 * 3 sector days. UK n/s.
13: 2 sector day
14: 4 sector day
15-16: Off
17: 2 sector day
18: 4 sector day
19-20: Time assignable
21-23: Off
24: 2 sector day
25-26: 2 * 3 sector. N/S more exotic than UK!
27-30: Off
A fairly mixed bag but 16 days (inc the time assignable) off. A mix of report times. As expected - and expectation management has to be the key to enjoying it in the early days - no weekend days off.
surely part time and well up the seniority list.
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A big bonus of working for BA is your roster never changes. So if you work for an airline where your plans are constantly disrupted by roster changes (I know I did) whatever you get at least you can plan around it.
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Life is fine. I wouldn't recommend commuting though.
There is a SH Captain who is literally counting the days until he can go back to being an FO on the jumbo. Hates everything about his lifestyle and continuously moans. Why you may ask?
He is a junior Captain and lives 500 miles from work.
He even moaned that he had to work Christmas Eve and Boxing day and that didn't suit living at the other end of the country, and all.
There is a SH Captain who is literally counting the days until he can go back to being an FO on the jumbo. Hates everything about his lifestyle and continuously moans. Why you may ask?
He is a junior Captain and lives 500 miles from work.
He even moaned that he had to work Christmas Eve and Boxing day and that didn't suit living at the other end of the country, and all.
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Thats going to be fleet dependent because it depends how many people get rercruited below you. LGW 319 would be good if you joined in the first batch (despite carmen) because although you will still be bottom of the airline list, within that fleet you'll be top as its a new fleet and there are no internal moves to it. A320 LHR has a more constant turnover so you'd creep up relatively quickly. 737 LGW would be worst option at the moment as you could end up stuck as the most junior pilot on a shrinking fleet.