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gimme more money you bastards
jazzcat's right, i have never flown with a captain who isn't happy with their pay. ok, some say they could do with more and feel they might deserve more, but doesn't everyone?
yes, the tax situation could change, but if it was a case of no one having noticed sneaky ryanair, then it would have been dealt with by now. there's no law being broken by our sector pay being taxed at the source.
it's common knowledge that the new pay agreement wasn't to everyones liking, but the acutal pay- which this thread is about, is not as bad as people like to think.
as a non-brookfield fo at an english base i receive:
£19.20 per hour = say 800 hours per year =
£15360 - tax free = £18740 gross @ 22% tax
basic salary = £24329 (at 1500hrs JAR25 this goes to over £26k)
plus £5000 allowances
plus optional £2500 pension match by the company
= £45,574 per annum
if i fly 900 hours per year and have 1500hrs JAR25
= £55,082 per annum
empty water bottle = 20p per month
homemade sandwich = 50p per day
piece of fruit = 20p per day
= £255 per annum
now if the taxation of fruit, bread, ham and dairy products increases then i may start missing those fantastic crew meals and bottles of evian.
but for now, i can live with that
yes, the tax situation could change, but if it was a case of no one having noticed sneaky ryanair, then it would have been dealt with by now. there's no law being broken by our sector pay being taxed at the source.
it's common knowledge that the new pay agreement wasn't to everyones liking, but the acutal pay- which this thread is about, is not as bad as people like to think.
as a non-brookfield fo at an english base i receive:
£19.20 per hour = say 800 hours per year =
£15360 - tax free = £18740 gross @ 22% tax
basic salary = £24329 (at 1500hrs JAR25 this goes to over £26k)
plus £5000 allowances
plus optional £2500 pension match by the company
= £45,574 per annum
if i fly 900 hours per year and have 1500hrs JAR25
= £55,082 per annum
empty water bottle = 20p per month
homemade sandwich = 50p per day
piece of fruit = 20p per day
= £255 per annum
now if the taxation of fruit, bread, ham and dairy products increases then i may start missing those fantastic crew meals and bottles of evian.
but for now, i can live with that
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It's not strictly true to say that in any other job you'd have to "earn £40 to get £24"
eg (in round figures)
£40 of sector pay - 30% of that is taxed, say £13.
40% of £13 is £5
£40 - £5 = £35 in your pocket.
(health warning!! these are back of a fag packet figures)
eg (in round figures)
£40 of sector pay - 30% of that is taxed, say £13.
40% of £13 is £5
£40 - £5 = £35 in your pocket.
(health warning!! these are back of a fag packet figures)
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Fredairstair, perhaps different airlines have different agreements with HMRC about the taxability of sector pay? My airline deducts marginal rate tax off sector pay, so jazzcat's assumption is correct, at least in my case.
Interesting to find out Ryanair give an allowance for uniforms and car parking. Having to pay for car parking yourself is always one of the things most people I fly with cite as a reason for not joining!
Still not at the top of my list of airlines to join though.
Interesting to find out Ryanair give an allowance for uniforms and car parking. Having to pay for car parking yourself is always one of the things most people I fly with cite as a reason for not joining!
Still not at the top of my list of airlines to join though.
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Lets not fool ourselves here, 10 years ago the sector pay was the MORE than today. Dub based FO's were taking home £2700 punts plus basic!!! Now as far as i'm aware cars, property, milk etc is a tad more expensive now than it was in 1998.
Also it's all very well factoring doing 80-100hrs per month, cut that down to 50hrs & you won't be on the lash as much. Thats what's happening, all the cheaper newbee's get all the flying.
Also the new pay deal was 10% over 5 years on BASIC ONLY which is a 10% pay cut seeing as inflation is running @ 5% approx.
And finally MOL is starting to over crew the bases so as the ones who cost the company most get the least flying.
BTW this is all FACT so just think about how good it sounds now on 650-700hrs a year not 850-900!!!!
Also it's all very well factoring doing 80-100hrs per month, cut that down to 50hrs & you won't be on the lash as much. Thats what's happening, all the cheaper newbee's get all the flying.
Also the new pay deal was 10% over 5 years on BASIC ONLY which is a 10% pay cut seeing as inflation is running @ 5% approx.
And finally MOL is starting to over crew the bases so as the ones who cost the company most get the least flying.
BTW this is all FACT so just think about how good it sounds now on 650-700hrs a year not 850-900!!!!
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CIPO is spot on. In the last 2 years I didn't even get to 800 hrs. New cadets or brookfield do most of the flying....
And guess what, nothing will stop MOL taking that 5k allowance from you very soon....
And guess what, nothing will stop MOL taking that 5k allowance from you very soon....
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The fact is,the airline industry has evolved alot over the past 20 years.Pay and conditions have deteriorated in all airlines,not just Ryanair,so don't fool yourself.A BA Capt was earning more and working much less yesteryear with an amazing pension.Today it is different.That is not to say we shouldn't fight for our conditions or be happy with deteriorating pay.In Ryanair,the pay may not be keeping up with inflation,but today an experienced Ryan Capt at my base earns in excess of £6000 net per month,and works between 12 an 14 days.This may change,but for the time being,I am satisfied.Take the money,do something with it to secure your future.There are no jobs for life,get used to it.
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Dub Ryr Capt
DUB based capt - 5 yrs flying in airlines - equivalent pay of 132000euro. 5000euro i pay to pension, company matches at 5000euro = total 10000euro and get tax releif. 5 on 4 off roster fixed. know my days off for next year. Put up with some minor quibles. but good company to work for and in the downturn on the way the only secure job out there! how many guys earn that money after 5 yrs experience. 
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best job in the world for short term thinkers.with the big recruitment push about to start.get real here and see the company propoganda from the reality.how can you know your days off for next year when the roster becomes variable after december 31st.well i suppose if you are management you will have all weekends off.when the downturn does arrive you will see the money dry up and then you will have nothing coming.there is a world out there beyond your nose.losers!!!!
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MOL has consistently reduced the T&C's each year when FR has been making record profits. Lets see how it all pans out now he has issued a profit warning and is unhedged on fuel.
He loves cadets as they are a source of income from the day they walk in the door. Then they are not so profitable after a while and he gives the flying to cheaper pilots.
He loves cadets as they are a source of income from the day they walk in the door. Then they are not so profitable after a while and he gives the flying to cheaper pilots.
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Its true that during Jan to March they can give u 5on 3off but only 3 times in that period. But this is never used and has not being used this year on anyone I know.Not a company man, but if anyone wonders why I and my fellow pilots stay here and put up with name calling etc. from members on this site for doing so, its due to the stable family time I enjoy with OKish pay.
With reference to remark above on downturn - probably true will get our 5000 euro allowance for uniform/loss of lisense etc. cut - but at least will b in a job.
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In between all the usual bitching that accompanies any Ryanair thread, a little titbit to consider.
I spoke recently with a "senior" colleague, who has survived 10 years of this. He has calculated that in the last 10 years in Ryanair his "real earnings" adjusted for inflation / some years with no pay rise / pay rise only on salary not sector pay / benefits removed etc etc was a PAY CUT of 40%. 4% per annum for a decade ladies and gents.
Yes Ryanair is NOT the worst, but given our financial sucess ( if you ignore the usual propoganda/spin ) it COULD and SHOULD be a whole lot better.
If only people would educate themselves, and stick together.
Oh well back to another useless daydream ho hum ho hum.
I spoke recently with a "senior" colleague, who has survived 10 years of this. He has calculated that in the last 10 years in Ryanair his "real earnings" adjusted for inflation / some years with no pay rise / pay rise only on salary not sector pay / benefits removed etc etc was a PAY CUT of 40%. 4% per annum for a decade ladies and gents.
Yes Ryanair is NOT the worst, but given our financial sucess ( if you ignore the usual propoganda/spin ) it COULD and SHOULD be a whole lot better.
If only people would educate themselves, and stick together.
Oh well back to another useless daydream ho hum ho hum.
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5 Years at FR would mean you've enjoyed continued increases in salary year on year as you progressed through the ranks.
Probably experienced the feel good factor along the way as the roller coaster was going up, unfortunately you're at the top now and there's only one way "Actual Earnings" are going from here on in.
Probably experienced the feel good factor along the way as the roller coaster was going up, unfortunately you're at the top now and there's only one way "Actual Earnings" are going from here on in.
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I, as per my colleague, joined as Capt, like him it has been , in real terms, all downhill.
Would be interesting to hear the same from an Easy viewpoint, I would be dissapointed, but not surprised, to hear the same story.
Would be interesting to hear the same from an Easy viewpoint, I would be dissapointed, but not surprised, to hear the same story.
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you just cannot see it,can you?you and i are being set up for the mother of all falls.you are going to be hurt!!!
well we've waited and ryanair keeps winning. what do we have to do? if we've joined repa and balpa, when will we see change? stansted and dublin have accepted this pay (cut) agreement now. is it just liverpool and prestwick who are going to see benefits now?
how about instead of making threats and promises you show us what is going on, because you're starting to sound like the top guys at ryanair.
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Yes that is a promise!!!
promises from YOU guys.
when are YOU going to make head way.
YOU show US what is going on.
when will WE see change.
The usual YOU and US story from the ryanair pilots.How about you get off your ass and make some head way.Rather than expecting some others to do it for YOU!!!Better to sound like some management figure,than sit in the corner like a scared snivelling pussy!Management i do not agree with.But cowards,well they are cowards.
promises from YOU guys.
when are YOU going to make head way.
YOU show US what is going on.
when will WE see change.
The usual YOU and US story from the ryanair pilots.How about you get off your ass and make some head way.Rather than expecting some others to do it for YOU!!!Better to sound like some management figure,than sit in the corner like a scared snivelling pussy!Management i do not agree with.But cowards,well they are cowards.
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what are you going on about? of course it's about us and you, you've been chosen by the masses to represent us. it's like balpa turning round to ba pilots and saying "hey stop having a go at us, why don't you do something about it". it's your role to do that!
we have done what has been asked
we have fought as best we can
we have joined balpa
we have joined repa
we hold meetings to see how best to refuse this pay cut
now what is the next plan? is there a next plan? we do support repa but many of us feel that the whole thing is falling apart. whatever the reason for this is, please just either admit this and we can go about union recognition another way or you should reveal the plan because we can't continue to support repa if we're losing faith
we have done what has been asked
we have fought as best we can
we have joined balpa
we have joined repa
we hold meetings to see how best to refuse this pay cut
now what is the next plan? is there a next plan? we do support repa but many of us feel that the whole thing is falling apart. whatever the reason for this is, please just either admit this and we can go about union recognition another way or you should reveal the plan because we can't continue to support repa if we're losing faith
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i ain't been chosen by no one to do nothing.the sad fact is that there is no masses.how have we fought as best we can.you might and i might,that is a small minority in a majority of lazy bastards!!!
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gday guys,
i worked in RYR for over 6 years and loved every minute of it.met some top lads flew some good kit and flew into some tricky airports.
listening to the two boys grim and bear arguing on this forum is one of the reasons that i decided to call it a day at ryr and move to VIR.
the problem is there is and never will be any UNITY amongst the guys as everyone has there own agenda.when i joined ryr was a really good place to work but ts n cs have been eroided year on year and what a shame it is too as it could and should be the best airline in europe to work for.
with regards to the sector pay that one f/o was referencing to circa 2000 quid /mth this is a massive pay cut of around 30%. i was taking home between 2500-2800 gbps based in stn 6 years ago.
time to wake up guys and take your heads outa your asses and take MOLs hand out of your pocket.
i do wish all at ryr the best........except managment footking city bankers
i worked in RYR for over 6 years and loved every minute of it.met some top lads flew some good kit and flew into some tricky airports.
listening to the two boys grim and bear arguing on this forum is one of the reasons that i decided to call it a day at ryr and move to VIR.
the problem is there is and never will be any UNITY amongst the guys as everyone has there own agenda.when i joined ryr was a really good place to work but ts n cs have been eroided year on year and what a shame it is too as it could and should be the best airline in europe to work for.
with regards to the sector pay that one f/o was referencing to circa 2000 quid /mth this is a massive pay cut of around 30%. i was taking home between 2500-2800 gbps based in stn 6 years ago.
time to wake up guys and take your heads outa your asses and take MOLs hand out of your pocket.
i do wish all at ryr the best........except managment footking city bankers