easy.v,go
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From: Somewhere probing
Gypsy, to my knowledge there have been a few easy pilots who've left easyland for Go - in the early days.
The recent flow back (was it three captains ? ) was more to do with the joining 'bung' than any other issue. Putting some flesh on that, to my knowledge one was a few years away from retirement and saw the golden hello as a nice little top-up for his pension fund, the next was a proverbial thorn in the side of Go management and whom I'm sure they were glad to see the back of, the last was a trainer (who'd previously worked for easy) but who found it hard to say no to the joining money (wasn't it £30,000 for a trainer ?) ; and if memory serves me right, all three live closer to LTN than to STN.
Of course, the joining bung must have done wonders for the moral of those who'd joined easy just a few weeks prior to its inception, and ultimately easy did all the captains at Go a great favour as it forced their company into rather dramatic pay hike.
I can say that during that time loads of Go pilots went to the easy interviews - but very few subsequently left (see above).
Also, it would be true to say that ADC knows a lot more about the why's and wherefores of it all than can be openly discussed here on PPRuNe.
The reality of it is that it (IMHO) was always seen as follows:
RyanAir work their crew the hardest (Irish AOC / rules) but that they take home the most money (their basic is actually p!ss poor and the money is made up via productivity deals).
Easy pay well but muck their crews lifestyle about something rotten (lots of roster changes - due to shortage of crew ? ).
Go didn't pay so well but had a more stable lifestyle and (originally) did less work.
Well that's at least how it used to be perceived. However nowadays one might say that:
RyanAir still work their crews to death, but they still take home the most dosh.
easy and Go are now very similar (easy have put effort into fixing the rostering), Go have upped the money, and both now work lots of hours (i.e. Go pilots are hitting 900 hours all the time).
Actually I'm pretty sure that if you took the average net pay of all these airlines and then divided that by the hours flown that the hourly rates of pay would all be pretty close.
Which then means that it's a lifestyle choice, e.g. based on where you live w.r.t. your base, how much the basic pay is (coz it effects your pension), etc....
The recent flow back (was it three captains ? ) was more to do with the joining 'bung' than any other issue. Putting some flesh on that, to my knowledge one was a few years away from retirement and saw the golden hello as a nice little top-up for his pension fund, the next was a proverbial thorn in the side of Go management and whom I'm sure they were glad to see the back of, the last was a trainer (who'd previously worked for easy) but who found it hard to say no to the joining money (wasn't it £30,000 for a trainer ?) ; and if memory serves me right, all three live closer to LTN than to STN.
Of course, the joining bung must have done wonders for the moral of those who'd joined easy just a few weeks prior to its inception, and ultimately easy did all the captains at Go a great favour as it forced their company into rather dramatic pay hike.
I can say that during that time loads of Go pilots went to the easy interviews - but very few subsequently left (see above).
Also, it would be true to say that ADC knows a lot more about the why's and wherefores of it all than can be openly discussed here on PPRuNe.
The reality of it is that it (IMHO) was always seen as follows:
RyanAir work their crew the hardest (Irish AOC / rules) but that they take home the most money (their basic is actually p!ss poor and the money is made up via productivity deals).
Easy pay well but muck their crews lifestyle about something rotten (lots of roster changes - due to shortage of crew ? ).
Go didn't pay so well but had a more stable lifestyle and (originally) did less work.
Well that's at least how it used to be perceived. However nowadays one might say that:
RyanAir still work their crews to death, but they still take home the most dosh.
easy and Go are now very similar (easy have put effort into fixing the rostering), Go have upped the money, and both now work lots of hours (i.e. Go pilots are hitting 900 hours all the time).
Actually I'm pretty sure that if you took the average net pay of all these airlines and then divided that by the hours flown that the hourly rates of pay would all be pretty close.
Which then means that it's a lifestyle choice, e.g. based on where you live w.r.t. your base, how much the basic pay is (coz it effects your pension), etc....
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From: UK
DA - you will note that none of my posts have been on the subject of easy v. Go or easy is better than GO. I was criticising the originators motive and challenging him to give us a little more information. I concluded with the view that this forum should not be used in a 'my airline is better than yours' ding dong.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of easy's golden bung ( and I've split opinion about that myself), it is no better or worse than GO paying bonds for pilots that leave other companies whilst still owing them.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of easy's golden bung ( and I've split opinion about that myself), it is no better or worse than GO paying bonds for pilots that leave other companies whilst still owing them.
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I would just like to reiterate that I have the greatest respect for easy and Ryan crews. I dislike seeing us competing head to head as I think the market is big enough for that to be avoided to everyones benefit...
As for movement between companies - its nearly always base or some unique personal cirumctance. So no real argument there.
I, for one, am suitable more enamoured with my job since Sept 11th as it is:
a) driving a jet
b) for good money
c) and I don't worry about being layed off
Which really is saying something in the current market.
Safe and fun flying guys,
WWW
As for movement between companies - its nearly always base or some unique personal cirumctance. So no real argument there.
I, for one, am suitable more enamoured with my job since Sept 11th as it is:
a) driving a jet
b) for good money
c) and I don't worry about being layed off
Which really is saying something in the current market.
Safe and fun flying guys,
WWW
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From: Somewhere probing
Gypsy, you might have misunderstood me, i.e. this is not a p!ssing contest - indeed I don’t even work for Go (I used to, but not any more) and as such I don’t give a monkeys as to who is best, mostly because neither can match up to what I do, and who I work for, now - it's like chalk and cheese !
In any event my posting above is merely meant to make the point about the low-cost folks historic perspective, against where they are now.
That said, I was never aware that Go had paid-off outstanding bonds ?! but in any event, so long as the pilot works the contractual notice period and that their employer is not out of pocket w.r.t. any remaining type-rating bond, who cares ?!
Incidentally, a little birdy tells me that Go will now only take B737 type rated pilots - it was mentioned as a cost saving measure in Bab's most recent memo to all the staff.
Nb. It's also been rumoured that over one hundred BA LGW(EOG) 737 pilot have suddenly (in the last 10 days) applied to Go.
(somewhat cynically) It's just a shame about those non-typerated pilots who, until last week, had start dates, course dates, who'd resigned from their previous jobs, who'd moved their families (some from far afield), but who've since been made redundant by Go. Uhm, is that legal ?
In any event my posting above is merely meant to make the point about the low-cost folks historic perspective, against where they are now.
That said, I was never aware that Go had paid-off outstanding bonds ?! but in any event, so long as the pilot works the contractual notice period and that their employer is not out of pocket w.r.t. any remaining type-rating bond, who cares ?!
Incidentally, a little birdy tells me that Go will now only take B737 type rated pilots - it was mentioned as a cost saving measure in Bab's most recent memo to all the staff.
Nb. It's also been rumoured that over one hundred BA LGW(EOG) 737 pilot have suddenly (in the last 10 days) applied to Go.
(somewhat cynically) It's just a shame about those non-typerated pilots who, until last week, had start dates, course dates, who'd resigned from their previous jobs, who'd moved their families (some from far afield), but who've since been made redundant by Go. Uhm, is that legal ?
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From: Midlands.UK
DA. I have to agree, I am non type rated and just had my interview cancelled, I am lucky that I still have a job at the end of the day but I think the interviews that had been arranged should have gone ahead out of pure decency as in the not to distant future they will probably be grateful to interview me. They should look after interested pilots for future needs, and yes I feel sorry for those out of work but if I had been taken on I would have still left a slot.
