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Dan, you're information is wrong.
If the guy immediately below the line is being made compulsory redundant next month suddenly finds that the line moves below him, he will STILL BE MADE REDUNDANT. That is how the management are interpreting the agreement. It is morally wrong and very probably legally wrong.
The company have already decided that he has been made redundant. As the policy currently stands you will be called back first as you are on UL, despite the fact that you joined 2 1/2 years later.
Not LIFO as I understand it.
If the guy immediately below the line is being made compulsory redundant next month suddenly finds that the line moves below him, he will STILL BE MADE REDUNDANT. That is how the management are interpreting the agreement. It is morally wrong and very probably legally wrong.
The company have already decided that he has been made redundant. As the policy currently stands you will be called back first as you are on UL, despite the fact that you joined 2 1/2 years later.
Not LIFO as I understand it.
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Joe B
Isn't it a fundamental principle of redundancy that it is the position and not the individual who is surplus to requirements? If the line moves below someone who is still employed then surely their redundancy position becomes void because their place (on the seniority list) is no longer under threat.
However, in what order do you recall those F/Os who have already taken CR and left and whose former position on the seniority list is now safe. For example, if I were a Classic F/O already on the dole and my former 'number' was now ABOVE the line shouldn't I be recalled first. . .There are still plenty of issues for the CC and company to resolve.
BBK
Isn't it a fundamental principle of redundancy that it is the position and not the individual who is surplus to requirements? If the line moves below someone who is still employed then surely their redundancy position becomes void because their place (on the seniority list) is no longer under threat.
However, in what order do you recall those F/Os who have already taken CR and left and whose former position on the seniority list is now safe. For example, if I were a Classic F/O already on the dole and my former 'number' was now ABOVE the line shouldn't I be recalled first. . .There are still plenty of issues for the CC and company to resolve.
BBK
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This discussion should be on The Voice, or on the Virgin forum here at Pprune, not here.. .For any casual visitors hoping to find news of Virgin recruiting (remember the title of this thread?) - there isn't any and won't be for a long time.
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BBK, I agree with everything you say. The situation is far from clear with too many gray areas. Balpa have had 6 months to get a grip on this and achieved booger all!
Scroggs, this discussion may serve to remind potential VS recruits that Virgin isn't all it's cracked up to be. You may even benefit from that.
Scroggs, this discussion may serve to remind potential VS recruits that Virgin isn't all it's cracked up to be. You may even benefit from that.
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From: Beverly Hills 90210
Best of luck to all involved - we are experiencing similar pain here in the US with a lot of furloughs...
. .Scroggs, just curious, are you still flying the 747-200 or have you transferred to another fleet?
. .Cheers
. .Scroggs, just curious, are you still flying the 747-200 or have you transferred to another fleet?
. .Cheers
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Hi Lav. Yes, still on the Classic until it folds - nominally 28th March, last time I checked. Thereafter (and this plan could well change!), I shall be converting to the 744.. .The increase in services is very welcome; let's hope it starts the process of re-employing our lost colleagues. I understand that there will be a document published soon explaining exactly how this process will take place.
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From: The Twilight Zone
My original post was due to a rumour that Virgin were short of drivers due to cutting to deep post September. I believe they now have announced a 5% increase in schedules, agreed an extra MCO flight and will increase another Asian Flight. All with the same crewing levels as of 11/09. Have they recalled furloughed guys yet?
If not, Someone must be working hard. Any comments.
TBE
If not, Someone must be working hard. Any comments.
TBE
