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You guys should really consider, if your situational awareness is sufficient, for working as a pilot...
yes it is. You should also consider to step down a bit. Should you ever fall, it will hurt.
Your historical statement is quite impressive, but it is only your personal way of looking at things. It lacks any connection to reality.:
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Dear tej,
Well, actually I already did fall, because I belong to the group of the 400 furloughed SR-Pilots, who has been looking for a new job for the past 6 months...
And instead of having you criticize my statement in general, I'd rather hear you comment on the points I made, and tell me which ones are so far fetched and totally lack reality!!! Because with your general attitude of denial and criticizing everything, without providing any facts, you are just not going to convince anybody of anything...
Well, actually I already did fall, because I belong to the group of the 400 furloughed SR-Pilots, who has been looking for a new job for the past 6 months...
And instead of having you criticize my statement in general, I'd rather hear you comment on the points I made, and tell me which ones are so far fetched and totally lack reality!!! Because with your general attitude of denial and criticizing everything, without providing any facts, you are just not going to convince anybody of anything...
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Well Air Bus Driver,
I certainly hope you will get a job in a cockpit soon again, or has Crossair Ltd. alrady hired you again? Have you been working for Crossair before you joined Swissair?
To your other remarks: Please don't speculate about my opinions (I bet in your opinion...).
Applicability of OR333: The Swiss federal justice departement studied the subject last fall and came to the conclusion that in the present case OR333 was probably not applicable. Of course there is never a final decision until a court has ruled about it.
I guess you know on the other hand that Crossair Ltd. broke the contract CCP has with them by signing a contract with Aeropers, but that is subject to a court ruling as well.
Maybe we both agree on the fact that our situation is a total mess, and that SWISS never should have happened.
I certainly hope you will get a job in a cockpit soon again, or has Crossair Ltd. alrady hired you again? Have you been working for Crossair before you joined Swissair?
To your other remarks: Please don't speculate about my opinions (I bet in your opinion...).
Applicability of OR333: The Swiss federal justice departement studied the subject last fall and came to the conclusion that in the present case OR333 was probably not applicable. Of course there is never a final decision until a court has ruled about it.
I guess you know on the other hand that Crossair Ltd. broke the contract CCP has with them by signing a contract with Aeropers, but that is subject to a court ruling as well.
Maybe we both agree on the fact that our situation is a total mess, and that SWISS never should have happened.
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efcop: what a load of s..t!!
Every integration is a mess....
The Crossair pilots are trying desperately to get as much as they can (it will be the last time they get such massive salary increases) and the poor Swissair pilots are struggling to hold onto what they have (had)... Aeropers has let them down (again) and the bottom 180 guys have really had the pole shoved right up their a..es...
There are no winners here
Every integration is a mess....
The Crossair pilots are trying desperately to get as much as they can (it will be the last time they get such massive salary increases) and the poor Swissair pilots are struggling to hold onto what they have (had)... Aeropers has let them down (again) and the bottom 180 guys have really had the pole shoved right up their a..es...
There are no winners here
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Don't forget that a FA within Crossair has the same salary as a ex-LX FO !
And that an FO ex-SR has 50 % higher salary than and ex-LX FO in the same seniority scale. Plus other benifits.
Than again all the juniors at SR lost their jobs and within LX not (this counts as 100 % more)
I do not say we have to have the same salary level now but don't see ex-Lx as the winners of this all.
And that an FO ex-SR has 50 % higher salary than and ex-LX FO in the same seniority scale. Plus other benifits.
Than again all the juniors at SR lost their jobs and within LX not (this counts as 100 % more)
I do not say we have to have the same salary level now but don't see ex-Lx as the winners of this all.
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The only reason that an LX FA has the salary of an FO is that MS is a slave driver...he got away with it for years...
Thank goodness he is gone, one idiot less in the avaition game
Maybe now a LX pilot will get the salary he is entitled too...
You blokes were shafted for years by him, unfortunately most of you still think the sun shines from his backside!!
Thank goodness he is gone, one idiot less in the avaition game
Maybe now a LX pilot will get the salary he is entitled too...
You blokes were shafted for years by him, unfortunately most of you still think the sun shines from his backside!!
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sad, sad blue belly that anger has affected your ability to distinguish between a serious statement and irony.
of course an integration is a mess and some will get shafted a bit more than others.
so the winner is the individual who still has a regular paycheque at the end of the month and doesn't remain bitter for the rest of his life.
p.s. this time I wasn't being ironic...
of course an integration is a mess and some will get shafted a bit more than others.
so the winner is the individual who still has a regular paycheque at the end of the month and doesn't remain bitter for the rest of his life.
p.s. this time I wasn't being ironic...
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Well Crossair Ltd. is now the Swiss flagcarrier.
The term regional airline is abused by the former SR guys to put the ex Crossair guys down.
The term is actually correctly fitting the environment in the US where there are regionals and mainlines, which operate even partly under different FAR's. Regionals usually are feeder airlines feeding the hubs of their respective mainline. That's why they are sometimes also referred to as commuter airlines.
Because of scope clauses they are usually only allowed to schedule a limited number of point to point flights. The number of aircraft with more than 50 seats they can operate is also strictly limited. Furthermore they are even limited in the total aircraft they can have in relation to the mainlines number.
Crossair has not been an airline like that at all. They were not only offering feeder flights, but also a lot of point to point connections. They had even their own hub at Basel airport and were starting to build one up at Geneva.
Then they have neither been limited in the number of aircraft they could operate nor were there any restrictions in their size. They had a considerable number of Avro RJ 85's and 100's plus up to 12 MD80's. They had their charter operations with the MD's and other types.
Finally the routes they flew have been far from regional: Basel-Helsinki for example or Geneva-Athens, Zurich-Valencia, Zurich-Edingborough, I don't know what's regional about that...
So one can't compare former Crossair with American regionals or commuters and therefore the term is misleading and mainly used to ridicule them.
The term regional airline is abused by the former SR guys to put the ex Crossair guys down.
The term is actually correctly fitting the environment in the US where there are regionals and mainlines, which operate even partly under different FAR's. Regionals usually are feeder airlines feeding the hubs of their respective mainline. That's why they are sometimes also referred to as commuter airlines.
Because of scope clauses they are usually only allowed to schedule a limited number of point to point flights. The number of aircraft with more than 50 seats they can operate is also strictly limited. Furthermore they are even limited in the total aircraft they can have in relation to the mainlines number.
Crossair has not been an airline like that at all. They were not only offering feeder flights, but also a lot of point to point connections. They had even their own hub at Basel airport and were starting to build one up at Geneva.
Then they have neither been limited in the number of aircraft they could operate nor were there any restrictions in their size. They had a considerable number of Avro RJ 85's and 100's plus up to 12 MD80's. They had their charter operations with the MD's and other types.
Finally the routes they flew have been far from regional: Basel-Helsinki for example or Geneva-Athens, Zurich-Valencia, Zurich-Edingborough, I don't know what's regional about that...
So one can't compare former Crossair with American regionals or commuters and therefore the term is misleading and mainly used to ridicule them.
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Well Stingray, I thought Crossair is history.
On the website of SWISS, there is no information about Crossair being the flag carrier of Switzerland.
In my believe, Crossair was a regional airline. SR-pilots lost enough, Crossair personnel was more lucky, but could still ask for higher salary, just don`t whine about ex-SR, its boring.
Be happy and help all your collegues for a better future, past was nasty enough!
chris
On the website of SWISS, there is no information about Crossair being the flag carrier of Switzerland.
In my believe, Crossair was a regional airline. SR-pilots lost enough, Crossair personnel was more lucky, but could still ask for higher salary, just don`t whine about ex-SR, its boring.
Be happy and help all your collegues for a better future, past was nasty enough!
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Well Stingray, I thought Crossair is history.
) the Crossair designator. The HQ is in BSL in the Crossair building. A lot of the Crossair airplanes are still flying around in LX paint job. How many ex-SR aircraft (exept the ones parked with a "for sale" sign on them in ZRH 
) do you see flying around with "Swissair" written on them ? Wake up and smell the coffee !
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