Aer Lingus DECs for new Aldergrove base
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From: 5325.3N 00616.2W
Don't care where we fly to - an airport is an airport. What is important is that it is done by pilots on the seniority list. LHR-SNN is work that is done by pilots on the seniority list. If Mannion wants to bring pilots in on yellow pack contracts to operate BFS-LHR; that's a breach of the scope agreement.
Either the pilots in BFS have to be on the same T&C's as Dublin (which Mannion said they won't be 'local market rates...
) or we will have to have to rigorously enforce the scope agreement.
Either the pilots in BFS have to be on the same T&C's as Dublin (which Mannion said they won't be 'local market rates...
) or we will have to have to rigorously enforce the scope agreement.
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From: the edge of my seat
Foxyflyer - Dont worry, judging by your location this wont affect you, but it will affect all of us who currently and indeed in the future fly those lovely green airplanes with the Shamrock on the tail ! To orrow a phrase from Big Ian himself - IALPA says NO!!!
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From: On the Camel's back
So Flame what're your credentials? If you don't fly with the shamrock, this has nothing to do with you.
Nor me for that matter, I just wish the boys in blue across the ramp had the cojones to even talk about action.
Good luck lads, if you lose this one it's the final nail in the coffin of aviation in Ireland as a career.
Nor me for that matter, I just wish the boys in blue across the ramp had the cojones to even talk about action.
Good luck lads, if you lose this one it's the final nail in the coffin of aviation in Ireland as a career.
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From: EIDW
CamelhAir..I am not sure that credentials have a lot to do with this, and I do not fly with EI.
What I see here is a commercial company making commercial decisions which will benefit the company and shareholders. Whether anyone likes it or not, these are the facts. Aer Lingus, having been brought public, must make its own way and survive. If the CEO can reduce costs and increase profitability, then he will be doing his job.
The outcry west of the Shannon at losing the SNN-LHR link will make no difference to management at EI, the days of the "Flag carrier" with a social conscience went down the tube the day the government decided to sell Aer Lingus
There is mistaken belief that "Aer Lingus" is loved by the Irish people....maybe in the 20 or 30 years ago, not so now I am afraid.
The Irish travelling public are fed up with various industrial action at airports in Ireland, if its not DAA staff, its taxi men, if its not Taxi men, its baggage loaders, if its not Baggage loaders, its flight crew!!!!!
I firmly believe that industrial action of any sort should be the very very last weapon to be used, but watch this space, the unions will use it as soon as they can..... and to hell with everyone
What I see here is a commercial company making commercial decisions which will benefit the company and shareholders. Whether anyone likes it or not, these are the facts. Aer Lingus, having been brought public, must make its own way and survive. If the CEO can reduce costs and increase profitability, then he will be doing his job.
The outcry west of the Shannon at losing the SNN-LHR link will make no difference to management at EI, the days of the "Flag carrier" with a social conscience went down the tube the day the government decided to sell Aer Lingus
There is mistaken belief that "Aer Lingus" is loved by the Irish people....maybe in the 20 or 30 years ago, not so now I am afraid.
The Irish travelling public are fed up with various industrial action at airports in Ireland, if its not DAA staff, its taxi men, if its not Taxi men, its baggage loaders, if its not Baggage loaders, its flight crew!!!!!
I firmly believe that industrial action of any sort should be the very very last weapon to be used, but watch this space, the unions will use it as soon as they can..... and to hell with everyone
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From: dublin
Under what terms and conditions though??????
I'd Check that with them before applying.
No entry to seniority list, different pension, different pay scale, etc
Be clear about it. It's a Belfast base only. No chance to progress to long haul, F/O's will stay in RHS until a command slot becomes available in Belfast.
I'd Check that with them before applying.
No entry to seniority list, different pension, different pay scale, etc
Be clear about it. It's a Belfast base only. No chance to progress to long haul, F/O's will stay in RHS until a command slot becomes available in Belfast.
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From: Surrey
Well I have to say that I'm slightly miffed, I'm in the hold pool with Aer Lingus and its looking like they are not going to be use us for Belfast (altho that might be a good thing, if the rumours about T&Cs are true), and that they are just going to hire fresh people.....
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From: ireland
Flame, differentiate between the moving of Heathrow service from Shannon to Belfast and the proposed yellow packing of flight crew at the new Belfast base. Ialpa are not going to enter into a strike on a whim, however put simply we can not allow Pilots to fly our aircraft on reduced T&C with no seniority agreement and without representation. This goes to the heart of our collective agreements and at a stroke removes Aer Lingus from those airlines with whom you can make a career.
Fly4fun, I could give you the specifics but what would be the point. The proposed new hire pilots in Belfast will not receive anything like those figures nor would the Pilots in Dublin remain on them for long.
This is an attempt at a Union bust.
Fly4fun, I could give you the specifics but what would be the point. The proposed new hire pilots in Belfast will not receive anything like those figures nor would the Pilots in Dublin remain on them for long.
This is an attempt at a Union bust.