Korean Air taking non-typoe rated captains?

[Arans]

I´ve heard that KALwill take non-type rated captains for the 737NG,777 and 747, does anyone have any info about that?
And if so... how about the screening process? Does anyone know about that?
Thank you.

[Wonder Dog]

KAL recruitment

Hi dear! Did you get any reply on your question?

I am trying via GAP aviation to get a KAL contract and I might have to go to Korea very soon.

Tks Stephan

[PlaneJane2007]

Hi

If you contact Barbara Kelly in Direct Personnel International she will tell you all about it. Barbara is looking after the KAL contract and will be glad to inform you about the specifics required for the non-type rated pilots and all the other positions too. Barbara is great to deal with - extremely helpful, friendly and efficient.

[email protected] or 00 353 1 8138400

I hope this helps!

Best of luck!

PlaneJane

[Wonder Dog]

KAL

Thanks a Lot!

I ´ve found some info on the Net and I am now in contact with GAP aviation in the U.S..
They told me that away from the 75/767 Cp ´s they might soon consider
737NG CP´s aswell for 777 rating DEC.
The cost of the Typ rating has to be payed by the DEC, but they expect the cost to be around 5000$ US.( approx. 1 week course).
Their Contractors fly about 14 days on and then 14days off.
Wich consist out of 9 days off + 3 days travell + 2days vacation/p.m..

We will see.

Thanks anyway.

Kind regards

[serious flyer]

I'm in contact with Rishworth.
The briefing they sent me does not say the price of the type-rating (and I did search on the net and got courses for more than US$25,000.00 on the B777).
Where did you get the price of US$5,000.00 Wonder Dog?
You are suposed to send the agency some forms, if KAL chooses you, you will have to go to Seul for the screening proccess (medical, interview and simulator).
Passing the screening you and KAL agree on a date for you to join, when you shall have your type-rating. You do it by yourself, paying all the costs of it.
So, it is really not a non type-rated job, as you will have to be type-rated on joining the company.
SF

[doo]

Feedback from Rishworth is that widebody experience needed for widebody position.

[serious flyer]

That's true. They are saying that KAL is requesting experience as follows:
B777 - B767 (flown on the last year);
B744 - Any other wideboy (flown on the last year)
A330 - Airbus family (flown on the last year).
SF

[Wonder Dog]

KAL

GAP Aviation told me that they are talking to KAL about the oportunity to take 737NG Pilots aswell as the 757 and 767 Pilots to train them on the 777.
Boeinf offers a course from 737ng to 777 wich is only about a week long, but I don´t know if this course is accepted allready to the JAA or FAA.
In this case you could get a long with this price.
The normal SIM hour in Europe is about 400€ for an Airline( 600$), so if you have to do 20hr Sim than you would end up with a total of 8000€.
So you share these cost with your co-pilot and you pay 4000€.(6000$)

And even this price is very low because it does´nt include the Instr. and the Gnd course.

But I am just telling you, what they told me!

[serious flyer]

I was told by CCL that the widebody experience is required to fly the B777:

" We have received many requests from B737 captain to upgrade to the B777 or B744, this will not be possible under this program due to the Widebody requirement."

About the cost of a type-rating, Alteon/Boeing told me that it would cost me US$ 23,000.00 for a single pilot to do a transition course from the B767 to the B777.
Maybe for a complete crew (2 pilots) it would cost half of it.
SF

[dessertdude]

Wonder Dog, the market is hot, but not that hot, yet

[Arans]

Weird!

So the pilot will have to find a place to do the type-rating and do it for himself? That´s really very weird! In this case why Korean don´t just give them the training and make them do a deposit like Singapore does or make them sign a training bond or something? Who gonna expend 23.000 dolars in a self sponsored training like that? And if you don´t pass the training? You are screwed !!!!!!!

[serious flyer]

True

That's what been said by Rishworth and CCL. And both agencies just don't know where or how a candidate would do the type rating.
Pretty unprofessional for a company like KAL, the bond would be much more easier on everyone and that what's the other big airlines have been doing.
But the question remains, will they find pilots willing to self sponsored a type rating course?
SF

[BlunderBus]

EXP levels

with all this chat about ratings...KAL looks like they can expect some really experienced guys!!!...not
Good luck on a job...just hope the passengers don't get to read this....capt and f/o 744 with 20 hours sim time between them!

[serious flyer]

Experience

Every pilot that begins to fly a new aircraft type starts with only 40 sim hours, BlunderBus.
Obviously, anyone that is hired on KAL will have to fly with an instructor for some time, so the passengers won't have to worry about his experience on the type.
SF

[Dani]

The market is so hot because old fashioned chief pilots still think that only widebody-guys can fly widebody, excluding all highly experienced medium jet drivers from their market. Good for the widebody guys, bad for the chief pilots

If I would select pilots for my airline I would rather put emphasis on how the pilots are, not on what they flew before. You can set ANY B737 or A320 pilot in a B777 with hardly any problem.

Dani

[clear to land]

Dani - I don't think the issue is actually converting from 73/A32 to the widebody. The difference is in the TYPE OF OPERATION. There is a vast difference between flying on short haul narrowbody ops and LH ops. Management factors, from a tech crew p.o.v, are very different. Having done both types of ops, they are each demanding in their own way. They are, however, chalk and cheese. Some skill sets transfer, but new ones need to be aquired, and others 'unlearned.' With appropriate training , mentoring etc the transition is quite easily achieved, BUT maybe the airline doesn't have the resources to supply that, hence the requirement.

[A and C]

clear to land

With introduction of the 73NG the 73 should no longer be considered "short haul". a lot of us find that we are doing MMPS airspace and a lot of flying into "darkest Africa".

As usual the CV's are not being looked at by pilots but by the personel department.

[serious flyer]

I totally agree with Clear to Land, and KAL is requesting current widebody experience (flown on the last year at least), not only widebody experience.
SF

[Fat Dog]

Can someone give me some idea about basings and renumeration for LHS on these contracts?

Thanks

[Dani]

Clear to land, while I understand your way of thinking, I still don't agree. Of course it's about long haul vs short haul. But why does the chief pilot of Korean, e.g., ask for a "current wide body experience"?? If he really would be up to his task, he would have asked for long haul experience or "worldwide experience", that's what it's all about. His way of looking for pilots and the rigid rule of applying them present me with the fact that his thinking is far away from your rational reasoning.

As mentioned before, there are lots of very capable crews around on B737 and A320 with lengthy experience on long haul operations, in all type of operations, everywhere in the world. If you know to fly a B737 from one continent to another, you can easily do it with a B777.
As long as chief pilots in Asia and their supporting contractors don't realize it they will be in an artificial crew shortage. Good for the 777 pilots, bad for the Asian carriers...

But don't worry, in a year or two, the shortage will be so big that even the Korean chief pilot will realize this fact.

Dani