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Old 28th Apr 2007, 17:04
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Got a negative reply from Thomson

Hey folks,
Attended ThomsonFly stage 1 the other day. Got a negative reply saying that I was one mark below the required standard on the written tests. This is of course very annoying since I'm very interested in starting with Thomson. Question is whether they take into account that I'm not a native english speaker. That verbal reasoning test was quite tricky I must say... Furthermore, quite a few question on the math test used math models that we don't teach anymore in my country.!! Needless to say I didn't even stand a chance on those question....
Could these to factors get me through to stage 2 since I was just one (!!!) mark below the required standard? Thinking about giving them a call cause I really wanna have a go at stage 2....

Cheers guys!
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 18:55
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Do you think UK airlines should lower the standards because you are not native Brits? If so will Air France, Alitalia, Iberia etc make it easier for non French, Italians or Spanish to join them?
I wish they would and wish you good luck. My airline has lots of Europeans and all the better for it! My only gripe is it always seems to be a one way deal.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 19:23
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Methinks the 'one mark below.........' is a standard TFly rejection letter. I know of a couple of applicants who have had the same letter
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 19:36
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"Do you think UK airlines should lower the standards because you are not native Brits?"

No not at all. But the test was not about english proffiency but to check your analytical resoning. However, If I don't know a specific word that might just ruin that entire question cause it might be based on that one word! Hence, my test result would probably been different had I done the test in my native language...
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Olof,
I may have sounded a bit harsh. What I meant to say was that I and 99% of Brits wish you all the best, I just wish we (Brits) had the same access to all the other non UK major European carriers.
Good Luck
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 20:03
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Also got the "one mark below" letter with the statement; "As the tests are marked externally it is not possible to provide further infomation on these results", so as Paper Lad suggests this looks like a standard rejection with the added benefit of implying there's no point calling them about it. Would be interested to hear if anybody got a rejection that didn't say "one mark below".
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Since there are a large number of non-native english speakers in the Tfly who did pass the verbal reasoning I don't see that you are being unfairly treated. As for the maths, I barely passed Maths GCSE and I managed to get through it so the bar can't be set very high.

Better luck next time.
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 00:02
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However, If I don't know a specific word
"proffiency", did you mean proficiency?

the words "Climb flight level xxx" means "Climb flight level xxx"...its very painful if you get it wrong.....
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 08:11
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below is below. clear situation.
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 08:32
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@Olof,
.................. I just wish we (Brits) had the same access to all the other non UK major European carriers..........

Never heared of someone refused because of british nature?? But, as overall in the world, it helps to have a knowledge of the local language.
I admit, it is easier for "non-british", because with a higher educatoin level you are forced to have two languages in your curriculum, i.e. in Germany English/France/Latin.
The real reason british do not want to come to the continent is: Europe is driving on the wrong side of the road and the GBP is not available!
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 11:13
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Hi All

I have been involved in recruitment in Britannia/Thomsonfly for many years. We are very keen to get the best possible Pilots regardless of their background, which is Not common place in Europe.

The verbal reasoning is marked very differently if you are not a first language speaker. This is identified at the application stage and on the day.

We make no apologies for the Maths test. It is the universal language of science. The majority of unsucessful candidates fail on the maths test alone. However, the information on the type of relitively basic maths questions are available on the internet and on this sight.

If you fail on day one.....its generally down to lack of preparation.

It is not an easy nut to crack but getting into one of the worlds best companies/emploiyers is not going to be easy. Many of our Pilots have had to persiver and have two or three attemps before being successful
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 11:34
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I just wish we (Brits) had the same access to all the other non UK major European carriers.
sorry to say that we have Brits in our company....it's open to all with JAA licence!
I don't think that's a barrier for you to apply and have a try!
cheers
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 11:59
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Verbal resounding

The verbal reasoning is marked very differently if you are not a first language speaker. This is identified at the application stage and on the day.

We make no apologies for the Maths test. It is the universal language of science. The majority of unsucessful candidates fail on the maths test alone. However, the information on the type of relitively basic maths questions are available on the internet and on this sight.
I have been involved in recruitment in Britannia/Thomsonfly for many years. We are very keen to get the best possible Pilots regardless of their background, which is Not common place in Europe.
Oh dear I do hope your maths is better!
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 12:13
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It is not an easy nut to crack but getting into one of the worlds best companies/emploiyers is not going to be easy. Many of our Pilots have had to persiver and have two or three attemps before being successful
How come on their website it says previous applicants needn't apply?
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 12:42
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to persiver

Oh dear I do hope your maths is better!
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 13:17
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Dogma,
Listen to yourself, yes maybe we should attempt several applications to get into one of 'the world s best companies'. I would suggest this would only wash with wannabes looking for a first job - personally, I would laugh and leave if asked to do any of that rubbish today.

As for the maths test - I am still waiting for someone to give me some more complicated sums to do than calculations based on the three times table after 6,000 hours !

Oh,and for the record I passed both the thomson numerical and verbal tests some years ago..so don't try that comeback.
 
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Olof... chalk the interview process up to experience. You will be better prepared for your next interview and yes you will get on with another carrier. Remember stay focused and stay the course. Who knows... it may turn out to be better than Thompson.
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I have been involved in recruitment in Britannia/Thomsonfly for many years. We are very keen to get the best possible Pilots regardless of their background, which is Not common place in Europe.
- and your superior airline remains the only one of the current major UK charter airlines to have crashed an aircraft (GRO), thankfully with non fatal results
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 15:40
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Ooooofhh! Bat.man

A bit below the belt

And there for the grace of Go.................
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Old 29th Apr 2007, 17:05
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Dogma you say that you correct the tests differently if you're not a native. However, nowhere could I tick a box that said I'm not from the UK... Do you tell the people who correct the tests which ones that are foreigners? just curious really...
I agree that math is a universal language still though I can't help but feel a bit bitter when you come across a math model that you've never even been taught how to use. Let's just say that we speak the universal langauge with a different accent
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