Message to Ryanair pilots
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I really wish I could be sympathetic to your situation but you guys prostituted yourselves when you went to work for that scumbag....and now you are reaping the rewards
and the rest of us in the industry are having to go on the defensive.
The respect for Pilot as a profession was already dropping but when guys like you paid for type ratings 'en mass', it started to plumit.
What did you expect? MOL sees you all paying for type ratings/uniform/using days off for company duties etc, why wouldn't he take the p1ss a little more. You have only yourselves to blame!!!
Hopefully it is not too late for a little self-respect, I wish you well with the vote.
and the rest of us in the industry are having to go on the defensive.The respect for Pilot as a profession was already dropping but when guys like you paid for type ratings 'en mass', it started to plumit.
What did you expect? MOL sees you all paying for type ratings/uniform/using days off for company duties etc, why wouldn't he take the p1ss a little more. You have only yourselves to blame!!!
Hopefully it is not too late for a little self-respect, I wish you well with the vote.
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well said camelhair!pilots will meet with their unelected erc in stn on tuesday 27th at 1030 and 1330,radisson hotel stn..i urge all pilot supporters to be there and be vociferous.this is your future.make no mistake this is the "alamo" of our lifetime and we will be victorious.i have seen the best in pilots through the last few months.i am proud,you be proud.
you are being taken to the cleaners and anyone who disputes that is a bloody liar.fight for your rights.make your vote count!
you are being taken to the cleaners and anyone who disputes that is a bloody liar.fight for your rights.make your vote count!
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Speaking of the reduction in terms and conditions:
After the recent budget it is the case that a Second Officer at Ryanair who is over the age of 24 and not earning half sector pay (ie, Line training) is in fact eligible to tax credits (estimated at £56 per month) - now that the 10% tax band has gone.
After the recent budget it is the case that a Second Officer at Ryanair who is over the age of 24 and not earning half sector pay (ie, Line training) is in fact eligible to tax credits (estimated at £56 per month) - now that the 10% tax band has gone.
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SpamCanDriver, interestingly I think you are indeed correct as a couple of such individuals have apparently discussed this with mate of mine. By all accounts there was much mirth about pilots working for the "high pay airline" being eligible for tax credits!
The link is here :
http://www.taxcredits.inlandrevenue....Household.aspx
You must be over 24yrs old and in full time employement.
The tax credit shoots up to over £100 if you have a child under 16 years old and your partner is not in paid work ie, Child care.
The "High Pay" airline indeed...
http://www.taxcredits.inlandrevenue....Household.aspx
You must be over 24yrs old and in full time employement.
The tax credit shoots up to over £100 if you have a child under 16 years old and your partner is not in paid work ie, Child care.
The "High Pay" airline indeed...
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Good post Camel. I'm ashamed to work for this crowd. Even more so because I'm Irish and they way they behave discredits us all.
Vote no, then get organised to park the planes boys. DOB said it himself - the only way we'll get what we want is to go on strike. I was at a meeting where O'Liary himself challenged us to go on strike.
Give them what they want and take what WE want. It's time for the balance of power to shift before real damage is done.
Vote no, then get organised to park the planes boys. DOB said it himself - the only way we'll get what we want is to go on strike. I was at a meeting where O'Liary himself challenged us to go on strike.
Give them what they want and take what WE want. It's time for the balance of power to shift before real damage is done.
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I Just Drive
Ryanair statistically have many more incidents than any other Airline in Europe. FACT. It is the very reason they are under investigation by the CAA.
Airlines don't follow Ryanair. Many Airlines are improving their conditions of employment not degrading them. Look at Jet 2, bmi, Flybe, Easyjet and Virgin. They have all improved their working conditions over the last 2 years. At Ryan they have just got worse.
Show your backbone and vote NO.
Ryanair statistically have many more incidents than any other Airline in Europe. FACT. It is the very reason they are under investigation by the CAA.
Airlines don't follow Ryanair. Many Airlines are improving their conditions of employment not degrading them. Look at Jet 2, bmi, Flybe, Easyjet and Virgin. They have all improved their working conditions over the last 2 years. At Ryan they have just got worse.
Show your backbone and vote NO.
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Hudson Bay....., whats your problem.....?
Your first part of that post has nothing to do with the topic of this post.
Cam Great few post's
I'm a defo "NO"....?
Hudson more constructive post's please.....!
Your first part of that post has nothing to do with the topic of this post. Cam Great few post's
I'm a defo "NO"....?
Hudson more constructive post's please.....!
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Says a lot about a company when they go to the trouble of posting stuff like that on their website. Surely if they had a motivated loyal workforce and a proper means of communicating with them then the facts would speak for themselves. As an outsider it looks to me like they are on the ropes. I wish that O'Leary would accelerate his departure so that they could get in a CEO that values the workforce and can see the benefit of paying them an honest wage, then I might consider working for them. Its not like they aren't making bucket fulls of money. Heaven forbid what conditions would be like if Ryanair was ever loss making!!
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There are so many things wrong with this pay deal that it would take more time than I have available right now to explain. For FOs the deal is the pits. FR seem to be trying to sell this deal to them on the basis of bread today, a crust anyway, and jam tomorrow.
I learned many years ago that you do not screw with a pilot's time off or his salary, FR seem intent on doing both, in spades. The 4 year deal is definitely a pay cut, however you do the sums, believe me.
Beside the question of the reduction in flight pay, by a considerable margin I might add, there is the question of leave.
Those of you working for an airline on a fixed pattern roster can look ahead to work out when to take your leave, chooding those days when you are working between two sets of days off. This maximises your leave usage. e.g. with 5 on 4 off you need to take 5 days leave to give you 13 days off.
In FR, the deal is that you get 5 on 4 off, BUT, three times a year the company can alter this to 5 on 3 off. They can also allocate 9 days of my (MY) leave, at random throughout the year, turning my 4 off days into 3 off days plus one annual leave. Hence it is impossible to plan ahead and use my leave days sensibly. You can find yourself with 3days off, one days work, five days leave, 3 days off and one days leave. This system is designed by FR to screw the pilot in every direction.
The answer is to vote for the 2%, then vote for Union recognition and representation. Start by joining BALPA etc.
Stand up and be counted guys, or these T&Cs will become the industry norm.
Life in FR right now is pretty miserable, due entirely to the style of, I nearly used the word management there, but I can't! Dictation would suit better.
I learned many years ago that you do not screw with a pilot's time off or his salary, FR seem intent on doing both, in spades. The 4 year deal is definitely a pay cut, however you do the sums, believe me.
Beside the question of the reduction in flight pay, by a considerable margin I might add, there is the question of leave.
Those of you working for an airline on a fixed pattern roster can look ahead to work out when to take your leave, chooding those days when you are working between two sets of days off. This maximises your leave usage. e.g. with 5 on 4 off you need to take 5 days leave to give you 13 days off.
In FR, the deal is that you get 5 on 4 off, BUT, three times a year the company can alter this to 5 on 3 off. They can also allocate 9 days of my (MY) leave, at random throughout the year, turning my 4 off days into 3 off days plus one annual leave. Hence it is impossible to plan ahead and use my leave days sensibly. You can find yourself with 3days off, one days work, five days leave, 3 days off and one days leave. This system is designed by FR to screw the pilot in every direction.
The answer is to vote for the 2%, then vote for Union recognition and representation. Start by joining BALPA etc.
Stand up and be counted guys, or these T&Cs will become the industry norm.
Life in FR right now is pretty miserable, due entirely to the style of, I nearly used the word management there, but I can't! Dictation would suit better.
