Flyglobespan: Time To Make A Stand

[NG708]

Interesting, as in 2005, the Fleet Man issued a memo in response to rumours of such, categorically stating that this would NOT happen

[Mr Angry from Purley]

According to the web site the MAN-CPT-MAN schedule is

MAN-CPT 1525-0400
CPT-MAN 1935-0755

[Luckyguy]

Originally Posted by Donkey Duke

Did I get that right? The flights to CPT are out and backs or turns? I see that YYZ was like that, with one crew Dead heading in the back each way(horrible), but is that the same for CPT? How about Sanford? Also, where do you fly the Air India 767 wet lease? Which cities? And, is there a small STN base for the 737? I see there is a daily 736 to TFS, but is that it? How often do STN crews fly that? Do they go anywhere else? Cheers.

Donkey, the Cape Town flights go on the schedule above and are minimum rest downroute, operating both ways.
Toronto, a whole crew position out on Thursday and operate back on Friday evening/Saturday morning. The crew that operate out, then dead head home after a 3 hour turn at YYZ. They get off, clear customs/immigration etc and then check back in as pax.
Air India wet lease routes are BOM and AMD.
SFB is operating currently only once a week.
STN does indeed have a small base with a large number of pilots who do very little. Presently go only to TFS.

The icons say it all !!!

[captaintrigger]

What A surprise!!

The Stansted-Larnaca has been on sale for less than 72 hours and has alredy been pulled!!

Never Mind!!

CT

[763 jock]

Mr Angry, does that mean the aircraft sits on the ramp at CPT all day?
Cheers

[Luckyguy]

Indeed it does, twice a week, on Sunday and Tuesday. That's a good use of the asset, eh ? 30 hours doing nothing !!

And to make matters worse, the schedule was changed to a night flight, from a daytime return flight after a 3.5 hour turn, so all the passengers had their flight times amended..... I know, because walking through the terminal, I suffered the wrath of some of them, unhappy at the whole shebang.

Anyway, it remains to be seen, what the outcome of it all will be.

[763 jock]

Looking at that schedule....ouch. Report at 1425Z MAN, checkout at CPT 0430Z so total duty of 14h05M. Report at 1835Z for another duty of 13H50.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Originally Posted by 763 jock

Looking at that schedule....ouch. Report at 1425Z MAN, checkout at CPT 0430Z so total duty of 14h05M. Report at 1835Z for another duty of 13H50.

So a 1425 report on 1 sector (with a heavy crew to negate the ETOP rule) =
13 hrs = 0325 last land. Therefore they need 1hr 05 mins extension by presumably in flight relief?.
However on the return (acclimatised as only 2 hrs different in CPT) the max FDP is 12.00 hrs so 1835z + 12.00 = 0635 last land so a 1hr 20 min in flight relief required. So I guess the question would be is the seat provided acceptable and screened from the punters?.
I would also point out the rest period is noted to be min rest, not really its a lot more, and falls into a much better rest period than a 18-30 hr rest period, which in the eyes of the CAA, the sleep experts and many many Pilots is to be avoided. Clearly if the aircraft is not needed in MAN why bring it straight back, this is nothing new look at other L/H Airlines!.

[Stan Woolley]

Mr Angry from Purley

Spoken like someone who knows all about the theory and nothing about the practise. You really haven't a clue have you?

[weiss5]

SHAME

How can we improve conditions at GSM when Pilots take the aircraft to cpt WITHOUT sufficient crew rest seating The last flight to cpt the crew went with econ seats as rest for FD and NO seat rest area for CC.
SHAME SHAME SHAME

[cunningplanmylord]

Surely someone must ASR this, or at the very least flight report it.
CAA would be interested to hear this im sure.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Originally Posted by Stan Woolley

Mr Angry from Purley
Spoken like someone who knows all about the theory and nothing about the practise. You really haven't a clue have you?

Stan i'm not saying its right just pointing a few facts.

In theory and practice , crew will only get one chance at a sleep be it 11 or 14 hrs rest. 18-30 rest periods check Chirp.
If there is no screened seat then something is amiss, call CAA Flight Ops Policy on 01293 567171 ask ask for the chap with the same surname as Gordon at 11 Downing Street. Maybe there is a variation en force unlikely I think

[Stan Woolley]

Fair enough Mr A.

All I know from looking at that trip is that I would be totally knackered by the time I landed back in the UK, particularly without a proper rest area. The fact is you will be trying to sleep through the day with the associated light/noise/ interruptions between two very long night duties and I at least always found that difficult to do.

BTW I've never seen a UK 767 with a proper crew rest area.

[Banzai Eagle]

Originally Posted by weiss5

How can we improve conditions at GSM when Pilots take the aircraft to cpt WITHOUT sufficient crew rest seating The last flight to cpt the crew went with econ seats as rest for FD and NO seat rest area for CC.
SHAME SHAME SHAME

I'll mention this to as CAA inspecting officer for you i know weiss5

[Mr Moustache]

Originally Posted by weiss5

How can we improve conditions at GSM when Pilots take the aircraft to cpt WITHOUT sufficient crew rest seating The last flight to cpt the crew went with econ seats as rest for FD and NO seat rest area for CC.
SHAME SHAME SHAME

Funny, sounds a bit like the B737 Hurghada flights of the summer of 2005 (our first attempt at long haul!). No proper in-flight rest facilities etc. I thought the company realised how much unhappiness this caused and were not going to try it on again. Perhaps everything was fogotten over the intervening year or so.

[weiss5]

gone x 3

Management sill no closer to having eye on the ball.... 3 more pilots resign seems like they are still seeing the trees and not the forest

[Barnaby Rudge]

weiss5,seems to me from your posts that English is not your first language so did you came here for a contract,were you told lies at your interview,if so leave and claim compensation from your employer,if not either stay or leave,your views are not those of people I fly with on the 737 so don't assume to speak for everybody.
PocaHostie,you won't be poking me f#tboyslim,heres hopeing the Ryanair assessment works out for you as Korean obviously didnt want you.
BongoBill,pity you didnt include cabin crew,but a lot of the flightdeck at Glasgow and Edinburgh didn't even reply to you and asked why didnt you do your survey in the open?

[NG708]

Barnaby Rudge,

BongoBill,pity you didnt include cabin crew

Why should he when they have a perfectly good union of their own?
You don't say what you do, but from your profile, I presume you are cabin crew. In which case why not get in touch with your union and make some changes rather than slate others for trying to.

[weiss5]

fool

hey Barnaby,

English may not be my first language! What has that to do with anything? Seems like you have little command of the english language! Clearly you cannot understand what i have wrote. I am not 73 you fool so P****** back into your little whole.

[Barnaby Rudge]

What a nice foreign gentleman you seem to be weiss5,I'm so glad you are not on my airplane,just stay where you are or leave but dont lump all globespan crew in with your problems.
And the word is hole not whole you silly man.