Which Uk company has Hats?
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Remoak said
"But it isn't really the point - this is about taking pride in yourself and your profession, and being seen to be doing so. If you want the respect of the travelling public, you have to earn it in ways that are visible to them - they don't care about your paperwork."
Couldn't agree more!
Scruffy pilots are like waiters with dirty fingernails.
Of course some pilots don't take much pride in their performance either
"But it isn't really the point - this is about taking pride in yourself and your profession, and being seen to be doing so. If you want the respect of the travelling public, you have to earn it in ways that are visible to them - they don't care about your paperwork."
Couldn't agree more!
Scruffy pilots are like waiters with dirty fingernails.
Of course some pilots don't take much pride in their performance either
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haven't really answered the original question
regardless of whether your a rebel, a ******* , traditionalist or just don't care what others think, this thread still hasn't said who does and doesn't wear hats, so far bmi aren't sure, bmir don't logan air do, i'm sure there are more airlines out there.
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hats are cool - no?
Ah come on silverhawk – hats are cool, in 70s porn or not. Why so serious ? What about tashes, along with flares and a large wedge of cheese… We are getting so boring. Previous posts have talked of the usefulness – storage devices, rain protectors and of course wearing so people can tell us apart from the bus driver.
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Well said Carlton Brown.
But I have to admit, pilot hats are the perfect size and shape for cat or dog food.
And what a pain when deadheading.....in uniform or not in uniform.
But I have to admit, pilot hats are the perfect size and shape for cat or dog food.
And what a pain when deadheading.....in uniform or not in uniform.
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The company requested that we do so. Some did, some didn't, but the pax certainly noticed. In every subsequent customer satisfaction survey, customers overwhelmingly appreciated being greeted by the captain. But that was in an airline that actually cared about it's pax, I assume that you work for a loco, where nobody gives a s#*t about the people that pay your salaries.
And when pax are boarding and deplaning, stay the cockpit, actually where you belong. We're in 2007 and not 1947.
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Ok I havent worn a uniform yet.. But I know that the uniform goes hand in hand with the pilot profession
I dont think it is a good idea to let go of the uniform, would you like to fly with a guy that has a ugly t-shirt and a pair of dirty jeans? it would look damn unproffessional to me, and I think it would look bad in the passengers eyes too.
But I can understand that people dont like crappy uniforms that doesnt hold together more than a few days.
But here it seems like pilots want to fly in their jeans and shirts.
There are many jobs that require uniforms, with stripes or not it is still a uniform.. So what is the problem really? our are at least better than the Mc Donalds one...Still...
I dont think it is a good idea to let go of the uniform, would you like to fly with a guy that has a ugly t-shirt and a pair of dirty jeans? it would look damn unproffessional to me, and I think it would look bad in the passengers eyes too.
But I can understand that people dont like crappy uniforms that doesnt hold together more than a few days.
But here it seems like pilots want to fly in their jeans and shirts.
There are many jobs that require uniforms, with stripes or not it is still a uniform.. So what is the problem really? our are at least better than the Mc Donalds one...Still...
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Thanks beamer. I'll take it with scrambled egg, 6.7/8 or whatever that is in metric.
I think the hat goes well with the jacket,but is probably a bit OTT in shirtsleeves. Lack of hat as a form of rebellion? Sounds like the fifth form.
Speaking of old fokkers,there was a bloke who only ever ironed one side of his shirt,cos that was all the customers could see......
Dons Hat.
I think the hat goes well with the jacket,but is probably a bit OTT in shirtsleeves. Lack of hat as a form of rebellion? Sounds like the fifth form.
Speaking of old fokkers,there was a bloke who only ever ironed one side of his shirt,cos that was all the customers could see......
Dons Hat.
Está servira para distraerle.
That bit about the Air UK F27 captain donning the hat...
Tried to find the old check list, to no avail.
Didn't it say something like:
Dons hat, takes crash ax, clears cabin?
Or is that a point of confusion with a 748 evacuation?
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To Remoak:
Well, my point was that some (too many actually) pilots take advantage of situations like greeting pax at boarding time, to show off with their stripes, hats, and scramble eggs etc,. Come on, sometimes it's too obvious!
To answer one of your comments, yes I'm a pilot, just like you. Unless you have more than 11 type ratings or more, I have more than you. Unless you have 20,000 hours or more I have more than you. Unless you fly a 744, the airplane I fly is at least as big as the one you fly....no bragging here, no joke.
Moreover, unless I could do a walkaround and a cockpit prep in 15 minutes or less, I don't see how I could find time for pax greeting (to board 300 pax +, figure it out yourself), no matter how much trust I have in the good First Officers I fly with.
You were saying that it's in your sop to greet pax (hat on of course) and that not all of your collegues do it. There is a good reason not to do it, it's because the cockpit is the right place, most of the time anyway, to manage a better and a safer departure. Situation Awareness comes before showing off. I'm not putting everybody in the same basket here, please.
Back to wearing a hat or not, it should be optional like some airlines do. This is what we see around the globe anyway, one guy wearing it, next guy not wearing it (probably me). I have never worn my hat outside home base in more than five years, and all the young FOs do not wear it when I do not wear it myself, and I always get the same comment "Thank you! Thank you! for not wearing that piece of @#**, this is something of the past, Thanks!". At home base a bit different, but one verbal warning so far, I can afford a couple more.
I'll remove the anal comment Remoak, in case I misjudged you.
Cheers!
Well, my point was that some (too many actually) pilots take advantage of situations like greeting pax at boarding time, to show off with their stripes, hats, and scramble eggs etc,. Come on, sometimes it's too obvious!
To answer one of your comments, yes I'm a pilot, just like you. Unless you have more than 11 type ratings or more, I have more than you. Unless you have 20,000 hours or more I have more than you. Unless you fly a 744, the airplane I fly is at least as big as the one you fly....no bragging here, no joke.
Moreover, unless I could do a walkaround and a cockpit prep in 15 minutes or less, I don't see how I could find time for pax greeting (to board 300 pax +, figure it out yourself), no matter how much trust I have in the good First Officers I fly with.
You were saying that it's in your sop to greet pax (hat on of course) and that not all of your collegues do it. There is a good reason not to do it, it's because the cockpit is the right place, most of the time anyway, to manage a better and a safer departure. Situation Awareness comes before showing off. I'm not putting everybody in the same basket here, please.
Back to wearing a hat or not, it should be optional like some airlines do. This is what we see around the globe anyway, one guy wearing it, next guy not wearing it (probably me). I have never worn my hat outside home base in more than five years, and all the young FOs do not wear it when I do not wear it myself, and I always get the same comment "Thank you! Thank you! for not wearing that piece of @#**, this is something of the past, Thanks!". At home base a bit different, but one verbal warning so far, I can afford a couple more.
I'll remove the anal comment Remoak, in case I misjudged you.
Cheers!
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Ready said
"I have never worn my hat outside home base in more than five years, and all the young FOs do not wear it when I do not wear it myself, and I always get the same comment "Thank you! Thank you! for not wearing that piece of @#**, this is something of the past, Thanks!". "
Well that says it all! - Obviously ill disciplined & prepared to break the rules but only when not being watched - a poor attribute for such a senior commander. Setting a bad example which is a poor influence to the young FO's and encouraging them to follow suit.
"At home base a bit different, but one verbal warning so far, I can afford a couple more."
Your colleagues will see you for what you are and will hold you in less regard for your double standards.
This has nothing to do with your ability on the flightdeck but forget the verbal warnings - it is their trainset, if you don't want to play by their rules, get a job somewhere else.
"I have never worn my hat outside home base in more than five years, and all the young FOs do not wear it when I do not wear it myself, and I always get the same comment "Thank you! Thank you! for not wearing that piece of @#**, this is something of the past, Thanks!". "
Well that says it all! - Obviously ill disciplined & prepared to break the rules but only when not being watched - a poor attribute for such a senior commander. Setting a bad example which is a poor influence to the young FO's and encouraging them to follow suit.
"At home base a bit different, but one verbal warning so far, I can afford a couple more."
Your colleagues will see you for what you are and will hold you in less regard for your double standards.
This has nothing to do with your ability on the flightdeck but forget the verbal warnings - it is their trainset, if you don't want to play by their rules, get a job somewhere else.
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No I do not fly a 747. Read again. And forget the number of type ratings I have, but when somebody assumes that I'm not even a pilot because I feel that it's time for hats and stripes on raincoat to go, I felt that I had to clarify a bit, that's all.
And I agree, I'm ill disciplined when it comes to wearing my hat.
I guess we all know the expression "If the Hat fits, then wear it"
Ready for more flak.
And I agree, I'm ill disciplined when it comes to wearing my hat.
I guess we all know the expression "If the Hat fits, then wear it"
Ready for more flak.
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My post duly edited also.
As your dick is apparently far larger than mine (although I do have more type ratings), you are of course entitled to your opinion... however, mentioning your qualifications is no different to poncing about in a uniform for the wrong reasons. QED.
Our SOP was not to greet pax with a hat on, as hats were optional in that company. I never wore one, never even took it out of it's wrapper.
You must have a lot to do when planning your departure. All I do is a walk-round, check the fuel, get the clearance and clip the plate on the holder. All the other stuff comes later, during the checks. More to the point, greeting pax has absolutely nothing to do with Situational Awareness, nothing is going to kill you whilst parked at the gate. I suppose you could say that greeting the pax actually helps SA, in the sense that you can spot the problem pax early.
If your company requires hats, and you refuse to wear one to the point of receiving warnings, one has to wonder what other rules you are breaking...
My post duly edited also.
As your dick is apparently far larger than mine (although I do have more type ratings), you are of course entitled to your opinion... however, mentioning your qualifications is no different to poncing about in a uniform for the wrong reasons. QED.
Our SOP was not to greet pax with a hat on, as hats were optional in that company. I never wore one, never even took it out of it's wrapper.
You must have a lot to do when planning your departure. All I do is a walk-round, check the fuel, get the clearance and clip the plate on the holder. All the other stuff comes later, during the checks. More to the point, greeting pax has absolutely nothing to do with Situational Awareness, nothing is going to kill you whilst parked at the gate. I suppose you could say that greeting the pax actually helps SA, in the sense that you can spot the problem pax early.
If your company requires hats, and you refuse to wear one to the point of receiving warnings, one has to wonder what other rules you are breaking...
Not wearing a hat is a bit different to busting minimums. In my company we are required to wear hats but often don't as baiting the manager who has the job to write to us to tell us to wear our hats is the only bit of sport still available to us.
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Is there to be a duel - remoak and ready. Or are we to just whip the old boy for a measure contest ? Come on ladies greeting pax with a big grin is always fun, with bars, hat and feather duster…
Dan man my hat of to you sir
Dan man my hat of to you sir
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Nah, we shouldn't fight... we should be big boys. Maybe even men... 
BTW I did once wear a hat whilst greeting pax, but it was a red hat with a white fringe and a flashing bobble thing on the end of it.
I agree that baiting managers is good fun.
I'm sure that ready is a good judge of what constitutes a sensible rule, but in the end I just couldn't resist. Sorry...
BTW I did once wear a hat whilst greeting pax, but it was a red hat with a white fringe and a flashing bobble thing on the end of it.
I agree that baiting managers is good fun.
I'm sure that ready is a good judge of what constitutes a sensible rule, but in the end I just couldn't resist. Sorry...
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Remoak,
I just went quite a bit back on this thread before posting here one last time, and have to admit, had I read your very first postings, maybe I would have held a different speech, maybe not. No @rse licking here. Maybe, only maybe, we're not that different after all, maybe you see it very differently, it's ok. I know where you and some other guys stand, and you know where I stand. It's ok. If some of my comments offended some guys here, my apology, nothing less, nothing more.
What was this thread all about again?
Happy Landings to you all.
Ready (or not), I'm done done.
I just went quite a bit back on this thread before posting here one last time, and have to admit, had I read your very first postings, maybe I would have held a different speech, maybe not. No @rse licking here. Maybe, only maybe, we're not that different after all, maybe you see it very differently, it's ok. I know where you and some other guys stand, and you know where I stand. It's ok. If some of my comments offended some guys here, my apology, nothing less, nothing more.
What was this thread all about again?
Happy Landings to you all.
Ready (or not), I'm done done.