I worked out my hourly pay rate can you guess what it is?
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Originally Posted by Dave
It worked out at £16.69/hour.
Before tax, of course.
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A relation of mine is a junior doctor. Over the past three weeks she has worked 340 hours 
: 120 week one, 100 hours week two and 120 hours week three.
I don't really see what is to be gained by comparing a pilots lot with that of a doctor. Suffice to say that hundreds of pounds per hour wouldn't be enough if I didn't have time to enjoy it or relax.
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: 120 week one, 100 hours week two and 120 hours week three. I don't really see what is to be gained by comparing a pilots lot with that of a doctor. Suffice to say that hundreds of pounds per hour wouldn't be enough if I didn't have time to enjoy it or relax.
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I'll chip in from a dossers point of view. I'm not stupid, i just didn't apply myself
Still, one is on just under a tenner an hour for being a postman.
Postman. Pilot. Surgeon. The law of averages would say pilot and surgeon should really earn triple or more per hour(?) from what i do - you worked/trained for it - you should earn it etc - doesn't seem to be the case reading some of the replies on here.
Still, one is on just under a tenner an hour for being a postman. Postman. Pilot. Surgeon. The law of averages would say pilot and surgeon should really earn triple or more per hour(?) from what i do - you worked/trained for it - you should earn it etc - doesn't seem to be the case reading some of the replies on here.
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Junior doctor, so compare like with like: trainee pilot, who gets paid nothing and who in fact has to spend £60-70k on that training. However, I do agree that junior doctors do too many hours and that is a safety issue which is coming more to the fore, in fact I thought those kind of hours had already been restricted for junior doctors? Fact is that the errors made by these doctors had remained hidden for years and hence the problem could be denied. Aviation has been regulated for max duty hours for a long time as it would be much harder to hide the fact that a pilot crashed an aeroplane whilst in his 36th continuous hour of work...........
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Sorry Dave but your sums aren't adding up. Flight crew in the UK have come under the EU regulations for Mobile Staff in Aviation for the last couple of years. This directive restricts pilots & cabin crew to 2,000 duty hours per year. A £40k salary for 2,000 hours a year works out at £20 per hour.
Even CAP371 wouldn't get your hourly rate that low. Your limited to 190 hrs in 28 days. Assuming you took your 4 weeks leave in a year you would have had 12 periods of 28 days giving a max of 2,280 hrs. Even this gives you an hourly rate of £17.54 from a salary of £40k.
Just a minor point but how much of your annual duty hours were spent at home on standby. Granted it is still duty time, but I can't think of many professions who get paid £20 (£16) per hour for sitting at home!
Even CAP371 wouldn't get your hourly rate that low. Your limited to 190 hrs in 28 days. Assuming you took your 4 weeks leave in a year you would have had 12 periods of 28 days giving a max of 2,280 hrs. Even this gives you an hourly rate of £17.54 from a salary of £40k.
Just a minor point but how much of your annual duty hours were spent at home on standby. Granted it is still duty time, but I can't think of many professions who get paid £20 (£16) per hour for sitting at home!
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Since she is a qualified doctor and not a medical student, surely a junior FO would be a closer comparison.
A rate of £16.99 per hour or any other amount cannot be assessed in isolation from quality of life.
I certainly don't believe that the propensity for a worker's mistake to cause death and destruction should be a benchmark for earnings.
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A rate of £16.99 per hour or any other amount cannot be assessed in isolation from quality of life.
I certainly don't believe that the propensity for a worker's mistake to cause death and destruction should be a benchmark for earnings.
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Not the intention. The comparison was with the decision making element when things go wrong.
When the flight goes to plan I arrive at my destination, worn out and knackered but alive. I've done it hundreds of times.
I've only had the one operation, but the surgeons and surgical team who did the job certainly saved my life. I know who I regard most highly - but then I'm biased.
(For the record, Blacksheep would make £18.30 nett a month for a 40 hour week. Unfortunately I put in around 230 a month so its only £13.68)
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So the question is........ Why after a hundred flights are you still alive. ?... or it could have been 10,000 flights and still alive.
There's a reason for that that some people on here simply fail to see.
There's a reason for that that some people on here simply fail to see.
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Perhaps, but your example is specious. The CAA limits us to 190 hrs duty in 28 consecutive days (CAP 371), so an average of a 47.5 hr week. I'd be surprised if any airline had such inefficient rostering that it had its crews on duty for this long every week in order to get 900 hrs' flying out of them.
In general, as M Mouse said a couple of pages ago, we are paid what we are prepared to work for. We're not the only people with lives literally in our hands, and neither is this the sole definition of a job's worth in 'moral' terms. Yes, it cost me a fair whack to get the licence, but I reckon I'm fairly paid and I enjoy the job, so I carry on doing it.
Perhaps, but your example is specious. The CAA limits us to 190 hrs duty in 28 consecutive days (CAP 371), so an average of a 47.5 hr week. I'd be surprised if any airline had such inefficient rostering that it had its crews on duty for this long every week in order to get 900 hrs' flying out of them.
In general, as M Mouse said a couple of pages ago, we are paid what we are prepared to work for. We're not the only people with lives literally in our hands, and neither is this the sole definition of a job's worth in 'moral' terms. Yes, it cost me a fair whack to get the licence, but I reckon I'm fairly paid and I enjoy the job, so I carry on doing it.
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The other factors in annual remuneration may include:
Those of us that work freelance (me, not as a pilot) do not get these things. When I was working freelance in telecommunications, it is true that my hourly rate was often more than £16.69 but I got no fringe benefits and when the contract was over, I might be unemployed for one week/month before the next job was secured. That is why freelances get more per hour.
People that are paid by the hour usually get more per hour than those paid by the year, because the hourly paid are not paid for every day of the year. Pilot's (usually) are employed for the whole year and into the future, unless they fall ill or make significant enough mistake to be dismissed. So this sounds like an Apples 'n Oranges comparison.
But let me state that I am well aware of the difficulties, pay and prospects of being a pilot. My nephew is now 30 years old and been a commercial pilot for nearly ten years. First as freelance, then in regional (to LHS) and now climbing the ladder in a mainline. So I am not unsympathetic.
There are VERY few people these days who think they are paid enough for what they do. Across the whole range of work that my friends do (including a barrister and a medical doctor) very few indeed think that they are well done by. I am self employed, working longer hours than I wish and having great difficulty in dragging the fees up higher. This is life in the West in the 21st Century.
- Paid annual holiday
- Paid sick leave
- Occupational pension
- Further training
Those of us that work freelance (me, not as a pilot) do not get these things. When I was working freelance in telecommunications, it is true that my hourly rate was often more than £16.69 but I got no fringe benefits and when the contract was over, I might be unemployed for one week/month before the next job was secured. That is why freelances get more per hour.
People that are paid by the hour usually get more per hour than those paid by the year, because the hourly paid are not paid for every day of the year. Pilot's (usually) are employed for the whole year and into the future, unless they fall ill or make significant enough mistake to be dismissed. So this sounds like an Apples 'n Oranges comparison.
But let me state that I am well aware of the difficulties, pay and prospects of being a pilot. My nephew is now 30 years old and been a commercial pilot for nearly ten years. First as freelance, then in regional (to LHS) and now climbing the ladder in a mainline. So I am not unsympathetic.
There are VERY few people these days who think they are paid enough for what they do. Across the whole range of work that my friends do (including a barrister and a medical doctor) very few indeed think that they are well done by. I am self employed, working longer hours than I wish and having great difficulty in dragging the fees up higher. This is life in the West in the 21st Century.
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Well said PAXBOY,
Some people just don't know when they're well off!
I wish I got paid to sit in the most high tech office in the world and see the sunshine everyday!
Instead I have to slave my guts out running my own business 24/7, all so I can snatch the odd hour here and there in my Chipmunk.
Get a life!
Some people just don't know when they're well off!
I wish I got paid to sit in the most high tech office in the world and see the sunshine everyday!
Instead I have to slave my guts out running my own business 24/7, all so I can snatch the odd hour here and there in my Chipmunk.
Get a life!
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Without debating the rights and wrongs, a light hearted note....
I know of several UK airlines who battled with the government, as their junior cabin crew were deemed to be working below the national minimum wage - as indeed they are if you divide basic by duty hours. It was only because of the "guaranteed" duty pay that they raised above that level...
So when its all dark and stormy on the way into Corfu... and you want a coffee before you start your descent....
I know of several UK airlines who battled with the government, as their junior cabin crew were deemed to be working below the national minimum wage - as indeed they are if you divide basic by duty hours. It was only because of the "guaranteed" duty pay that they raised above that level...
So when its all dark and stormy on the way into Corfu... and you want a coffee before you start your descent....
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Underpaid and undervalued.
I am paid the grand sum of £14.49 per hour worked after paying Gordon his rake off. However, I drink plenty of coffee, enjoy the company of my colleagues, sleep in my own bed [most times :-) ] and most of all I enjoy my work. I fly for a "Quasi government organistion"
By contrast if I were a military man [still ] I would be highly pxssed off that BLiar had sent me all the way to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight his nasty little war for the princely sum of around £2 an hour with the ever increasing likelyhood of having my ass blown off at any time, day or night!
Think about it - if you don't like your job, quit and become an MP they are disgustingly overpaid. over ambitious and general under worked!
By contrast if I were a military man [still ] I would be highly pxssed off that BLiar had sent me all the way to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight his nasty little war for the princely sum of around £2 an hour with the ever increasing likelyhood of having my ass blown off at any time, day or night!
Think about it - if you don't like your job, quit and become an MP they are disgustingly overpaid. over ambitious and general under worked!
