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jet2 wage levels
I have to strongly disagree with the comment regarding the national wage average . So what if pilots earn more than the national average .
Its like any commercial venture , if you invest large ammounts of money , you expect a return . My training cost me £110,000 , i did not invest this money to earn the national average . Commercial flying is not a vocation , it is a profession . If some people wish to have a communist mentality , then ask your local GP or accountant to accept the national average wage .
The T&C's at Jet2 at the moment are below par . OK , we dont work 900hrs a year , but we are not given that opportunity .
Things must improve , otherwise do we go back to "WILL WORK FOR FOOD".
Its like any commercial venture , if you invest large ammounts of money , you expect a return . My training cost me £110,000 , i did not invest this money to earn the national average . Commercial flying is not a vocation , it is a profession . If some people wish to have a communist mentality , then ask your local GP or accountant to accept the national average wage .
The T&C's at Jet2 at the moment are below par . OK , we dont work 900hrs a year , but we are not given that opportunity .
Things must improve , otherwise do we go back to "WILL WORK FOR FOOD".
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To get back to the original question I'm doing the square root of sod all. 25 hours in May and about the same in June. But with truly awful rostering. Started back last week after leave straight onto an 0500 BFS - CDG, followed by five days of standby, only to be called out for a late AGP on the last one.
For me at least the new rostering guidelines are not working and the 'pay rise' of sector pay equals a pay drop.
For me at least the new rostering guidelines are not working and the 'pay rise' of sector pay equals a pay drop.
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Not like that where I am, 70 hours in May, 50 in June, 55 on the new roster. Have to agree about the rostering 'guidelines', many late finishes and early starts.
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Not surprising as the guidelines were agreed with someone who does not know anything about rostering!!!
3 aircraft down for the summer before you start, guess why the lack of hours.
Bad slot scheduling by commercial (not crew friendly), engineering inputs always running late. One fire after another.
I was under the impression the 75 Boh based capt was being shat on along with the rest of us in Boh?
Believe me I have worked in some prity crap ops departments in my time and Jet2's is not the best but my no means the worst. Anyway in 4-6 months you will find out just how bad it can get!!!!
Wishing you all future happiness in you job
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3 aircraft down for the summer before you start, guess why the lack of hours.
Bad slot scheduling by commercial (not crew friendly), engineering inputs always running late. One fire after another.
I was under the impression the 75 Boh based capt was being shat on along with the rest of us in Boh?
Believe me I have worked in some prity crap ops departments in my time and Jet2's is not the best but my no means the worst. Anyway in 4-6 months you will find out just how bad it can get!!!!
Wishing you all future happiness in you job
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So did you get shortlisted for Club328 then Bartelby?
You lot were certainly thirsty,not a drop of Champers left on Friday was there!!!
Anyway, wishing you all well, what ever the future holds.
P.S the GS office is now "to let" on very favourable terms, although there is still one sitting tenant , contact Allerton Realtors.
You lot were certainly thirsty,not a drop of Champers left on Friday was there!!!
Anyway, wishing you all well, what ever the future holds.
P.S the GS office is now "to let" on very favourable terms, although there is still one sitting tenant , contact Allerton Realtors.
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Jet2.com rules require you to be a member of one of three clubs to get a jumpseat ride:
Jet2.com staff
ATC Staff
CAA inspectorate
If you are not in those groups then there is NO CHANCE of getting access to the pointy end in flight. Having said that if you approach us on the ground then I would say most crews will quite happily let you come and have a look around workload permitting. FAO flights will be on the B757 so the turnarounds are slighty longer but the parking tends to require busses which limits your time on board after arrival.
Hope that helps
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Jet2.com staff
ATC Staff
CAA inspectorate
If you are not in those groups then there is NO CHANCE of getting access to the pointy end in flight. Having said that if you approach us on the ground then I would say most crews will quite happily let you come and have a look around workload permitting. FAO flights will be on the B757 so the turnarounds are slighty longer but the parking tends to require busses which limits your time on board after arrival.
Hope that helps
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Cheers for that, been on that flight a few times, do FAO charge more fo rhte finger jetty's? The whole place was dead last time i was there, but still used the old buses.
Was hoping to get a Landing, as I have been to a fair few cockpits when i was a lad! But cheers for the advice.
Was hoping to get a Landing, as I have been to a fair few cockpits when i was a lad! But cheers for the advice.
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I think 99% of flight crews would love to still have visitors during the flight but its the DfT and the Campaign Against Aviation that have our hands firmly tied!
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PS PM me the dates and if I'm driving I'll be more than happy to chat on the ground!
I think 99% of flight crews would love to still have visitors during the flight but its the DfT and the Campaign Against Aviation that have our hands firmly tied!
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PS PM me the dates and if I'm driving I'll be more than happy to chat on the ground!
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You guys really need to get some perspective. Talk to anyone at Ryan, Easy, Flybe etc and you'll be told what life is like when you fly 900 hours a year. I do, and frankly 500 hours sounds like bliss. Enjoy it while you can.
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ME109, you say we are not given the opportunity to work 900 hours a year. If you want that opportunity go to one of the operators that do 
. The reason most people stay with Jet2 is because they don’t want to work 900 hours a year, but rather have a life to go with the job.
. The reason most people stay with Jet2 is because they don’t want to work 900 hours a year, but rather have a life to go with the job.
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True, but with regard to lifestyle:
I don't fly what is on the roster; the roster is constant change and disruption. I don't fly that much compared to the RYR, EZE & BMI pilots, but the flying I do is often with minimum rest and of late and for the rostered future I seemed to have late finishes and early starts around days off. I have similar days off every week.
The leave we get is watered down because we are not always given wrap round days around leave. We were promised two wrap round days around periods of leave of 6 days or more, but the reality is we don't always get it. Unlike the office staff who get 9 days off for 5 days leave, starting leave Friday night and returning Monday morning.
For aircrew to achieve a guaranteed 9 days off; i.e. a normal leave week, we have to book 9 days leave. Our leave entitlement is 28 days plus bank holidays to total 36 days leave a year, or 4 weeks if taken as individual weeks. We can request 2 days off around leave, but that is not guaranteed any more than the wrap round leave days are.
The lifestyle is only acceptable because winter is quiet; the airline is very seasonal. That will change as the airline grows.
I don't fly what is on the roster; the roster is constant change and disruption. I don't fly that much compared to the RYR, EZE & BMI pilots, but the flying I do is often with minimum rest and of late and for the rostered future I seemed to have late finishes and early starts around days off. I have similar days off every week.
The leave we get is watered down because we are not always given wrap round days around leave. We were promised two wrap round days around periods of leave of 6 days or more, but the reality is we don't always get it. Unlike the office staff who get 9 days off for 5 days leave, starting leave Friday night and returning Monday morning.
For aircrew to achieve a guaranteed 9 days off; i.e. a normal leave week, we have to book 9 days leave. Our leave entitlement is 28 days plus bank holidays to total 36 days leave a year, or 4 weeks if taken as individual weeks. We can request 2 days off around leave, but that is not guaranteed any more than the wrap round leave days are.
The lifestyle is only acceptable because winter is quiet; the airline is very seasonal. That will change as the airline grows.
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Maat,
Which Jet2 do you work for?!
At Manchester, my roster is almost never changed and I've been near minimum rest only once this year.
Agreed about earlies after days off/lates before days off but surely that's what we would expect. However it would be useful if we didn't get this before and after leave. An 0630 report after coming back from holiday late the night before is a bit of a shock.
Re leave, if I want 9 days off I bid for 7 days leave with a Request Day Off on each end. So far it has always been approved and the RDO's guaranteed at the same time as the leave is announced. Okay, I then miss out on that month's two RDO's elsewhere, but that's my choice.
Usually when the roster comes out there's an extra day off at one or both ends of the leave which is useful if you have flexibility for your holiday. If you don't, then it's a day off wasted but it can take the pressure off a tight timescale.
Currently the Jet2 lifestyle is very acceptable, but I agree that it will change as the airline grows. Enjoy it while it lasts.........
Which Jet2 do you work for?!
At Manchester, my roster is almost never changed and I've been near minimum rest only once this year.
Agreed about earlies after days off/lates before days off but surely that's what we would expect. However it would be useful if we didn't get this before and after leave. An 0630 report after coming back from holiday late the night before is a bit of a shock.
Re leave, if I want 9 days off I bid for 7 days leave with a Request Day Off on each end. So far it has always been approved and the RDO's guaranteed at the same time as the leave is announced. Okay, I then miss out on that month's two RDO's elsewhere, but that's my choice.
Usually when the roster comes out there's an extra day off at one or both ends of the leave which is useful if you have flexibility for your holiday. If you don't, then it's a day off wasted but it can take the pressure off a tight timescale.
Currently the Jet2 lifestyle is very acceptable, but I agree that it will change as the airline grows. Enjoy it while it lasts.........
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For the last three rosters I've worked 8, 9 and then 10 days. One week of leave in all that. Fantastic. Must be the most friendly work pattern of all the locos.
As always though, more money would be nice. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
As always though, more money would be nice. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
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Good post MANBLK
Know how the system works and you will get rewarded. Its not rocket science use your request days off around your leave problem solved.
I am guessing matt is LBA based they seem to get the brunt of the roster disruption mainly due to commercial and engineering issues. Aircraft shortage and bad schedule planning are constant problems also. I am a sure these problem will all be sorted once the train set is fully in LBA...
Bartelby
Know how the system works and you will get rewarded. Its not rocket science use your request days off around your leave problem solved.
I am guessing matt is LBA based they seem to get the brunt of the roster disruption mainly due to commercial and engineering issues. Aircraft shortage and bad schedule planning are constant problems also. I am a sure these problem will all be sorted once the train set is fully in LBA...
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To get back on thread,
I realise that I may seem to be complaining but I do want to unfreeze my ATPL, I need 1500hrs total time and 500 Multicrew. Seen as I joined the company with an ink wet CPL at the rate i am accruing hours it will take me three years and that doesn't include waiting for the sim as I have to do a skill test. If we were busier I would unfreeze quicker.
I also understand others points of view who have the experience, 'that it is more of a life style issue'.
I realise that I may seem to be complaining but I do want to unfreeze my ATPL, I need 1500hrs total time and 500 Multicrew. Seen as I joined the company with an ink wet CPL at the rate i am accruing hours it will take me three years and that doesn't include waiting for the sim as I have to do a skill test. If we were busier I would unfreeze quicker.
I also understand others points of view who have the experience, 'that it is more of a life style issue'.
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Jet2.con, look on the bright side, you do have a job on a jet with a new CPL. Many of us would have been over the moon to be anywhere near a Jet with a Full ATPL a few years back.
Most Turboprop operators wouldn't have been interested in you with less than a thousand hours. You are lucky to be employed at a time and in a company that will provide you with opportunity to progress whatever direction you decide to go.
The Jet2 Forum is up and running with 55 members as of tonight, if you have any points you want to discuss.
Most Turboprop operators wouldn't have been interested in you with less than a thousand hours. You are lucky to be employed at a time and in a company that will provide you with opportunity to progress whatever direction you decide to go.
The Jet2 Forum is up and running with 55 members as of tonight, if you have any points you want to discuss.