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the company has more money in the pot than u would believe, you only need to look at their P&L accounts , balance sheets and dividend/quarterly results to see this. It is an insult with the way they are treating so called 'valued' members of their crew.
Just look at their expansion plans 100 crews by next year, 10 airframes, you really think this is coming from a company that has little in the pot.
The amount of money paid to the ex 300 boys giving them Stn bases or to a training capt who has retained Boh as a base, an absolute insult to us all.
They even had the audacity to try and charge for jet2 lanyards, 2 quid a pop... what sort of company does this!
I want to be able to say i work for jet2 amongst other colleages in other airlines and feel proud, i couldn't feel any more embarrassed.
Lets just see what happens when they try and get crews for these 10 new a/c. It will be the same old story, f/o's not a problem. Capts will be promoted with the usual 2500 hrs regardless of quality (and there are now hardly any f/o's who fit the hour requirement, all already been promoted), they are even talking about new promotions with a change of type at the same time...........
The classic case of doing whatever they can 'get away with'. Instead of trying to attract quality with decent t&c's
And as for the a/c they will be knackered old heaps as usual, a guaranteed accident waiting to happen
Just look at their expansion plans 100 crews by next year, 10 airframes, you really think this is coming from a company that has little in the pot.
The amount of money paid to the ex 300 boys giving them Stn bases or to a training capt who has retained Boh as a base, an absolute insult to us all.
They even had the audacity to try and charge for jet2 lanyards, 2 quid a pop... what sort of company does this!
I want to be able to say i work for jet2 amongst other colleages in other airlines and feel proud, i couldn't feel any more embarrassed.
Lets just see what happens when they try and get crews for these 10 new a/c. It will be the same old story, f/o's not a problem. Capts will be promoted with the usual 2500 hrs regardless of quality (and there are now hardly any f/o's who fit the hour requirement, all already been promoted), they are even talking about new promotions with a change of type at the same time...........
The classic case of doing whatever they can 'get away with'. Instead of trying to attract quality with decent t&c's
And as for the a/c they will be knackered old heaps as usual, a guaranteed accident waiting to happen
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Tonker and Aviate2day, great posts in the past not enough people at Jet2 posted the positive aspects of the job. 
Silverhawk, thanks for the PM. I don't speak German hope that helps.
Silverhawk, thanks for the PM. I don't speak German hope that helps.
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Hi Guys,
All I would say is if you are flying 500 hrs per year on Shorthaul its just about perfect.
I promise you that as the years roll on all companies will work their crews harder to compete with other locos and to improve the bottom line.
I can understand crews wanting more hours to improve CMD prospects but bear in mind 800-900hrs per year is not good for you, increased exposure to radiation, more early start late finishes to upset the circadian rythym leading to more body stress, earlier death ( research suggests ), limited financial return due to low sector/hourly rate, less time at home.
Few people say they wish they had worked more when they eventually meet their maker.
I love 500hrs per year.
With plenty of spare time as available use it to set up a business for a second income to offset the poor pension.
Regards
All I would say is if you are flying 500 hrs per year on Shorthaul its just about perfect.
I promise you that as the years roll on all companies will work their crews harder to compete with other locos and to improve the bottom line.
I can understand crews wanting more hours to improve CMD prospects but bear in mind 800-900hrs per year is not good for you, increased exposure to radiation, more early start late finishes to upset the circadian rythym leading to more body stress, earlier death ( research suggests ), limited financial return due to low sector/hourly rate, less time at home.
Few people say they wish they had worked more when they eventually meet their maker.
I love 500hrs per year.
With plenty of spare time as available use it to set up a business for a second income to offset the poor pension.
Regards
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Originally Posted by Colin Monkfish
I want to be able to say i work for jet2 amongst other colleages in other airlines and feel proud, i couldn't feel any more embarrassed.
And as for the a/c they will be knackered old heaps as usual, a guaranteed accident waiting to happen
Amazing statements, I am sorry that you feel this way. What has a Training Captain's base in any way connected with your situation. Given you are making the above statements don't you think it is time for you to MOVE ON ??
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Originally Posted by silverhawk
It may not be very PC of me to say so, but the flightdeck can walk any time they want to. As we know, there are many opportunities now and in the short-term future for flightdeck..
FLightdecks walking?? i didn't know they can do that?
Ahh, you must be referring to the follk that work ON the flightdeck. That'll be flightcrew then..aka pilots. Or should i start calling people head office/passenger cabin/refuelling bowser etc...
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Of course a trainers base has everything to with it.
The company are paying him/her/it full duty rate for the whole roster as 'away from base' expenses, therefore taking more money out of the pot that could be put to fairer and better uses for crew. It is an insult to our intelligence having a chief trainer based where we are currently pulling out of.
Even I would have credited u for gleaning that....
The company are paying him/her/it full duty rate for the whole roster as 'away from base' expenses, therefore taking more money out of the pot that could be put to fairer and better uses for crew. It is an insult to our intelligence having a chief trainer based where we are currently pulling out of.
Even I would have credited u for gleaning that....
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The company does have a good financial base and a good thing too.
But at the end of the day it isn't our train set.
Like any business the object is to get as much money out of your pocket and into mine.
Please make all cheques payable to aviate2day.com
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Not wishing to steer this off in another direction but a solid CC and union rep may have helped the afore mentioned 300 guys etc. Just a thought.
But at the end of the day it isn't our train set.
Like any business the object is to get as much money out of your pocket and into mine.
Please make all cheques payable to aviate2day.com
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Not wishing to steer this off in another direction but a solid CC and union rep may have helped the afore mentioned 300 guys etc. Just a thought.
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You astute old sage.
The post is now edited to your satisfaction I hope. I was using 'flightdeck' as opposed to 'aircrew' to differentiate between pilots and cabin crew, but I suspect that you knew that already.
The post is now edited to your satisfaction I hope. I was using 'flightdeck' as opposed to 'aircrew' to differentiate between pilots and cabin crew, but I suspect that you knew that already.
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
FLightdecks walking?? i didn't know they can do that? Ahh, you must be referring to the follk that work ON the flightdeck. That'll be flightcrew then..aka pilots. Or should i start calling people head office/passenger cabin/refuelling bowser etc...
Ahh, you must be referring to the follk that work ON the flightdeck. That'll be flightcrew then..aka pilots. Or should i start calling people head office/passenger cabin/refuelling bowser etc...ILS
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ILS repeater you willnote from the rolling-of -eyes smilie that the one i inserted was for sarcasm!! Ok Ok so i know it's supposedly the lowest form and all that. And the valid point of your post is??? Yes, flightdeck is the term that has derived from cabin crew it seems for us pilots; but none-the-less, annoying to be called one. 
I bow to your greater wisdom and can only dream of the day i acheive full maturity.
Ok so back on thread...i position regularly from MAN and chat to a few Jet2 crews, some seem happy with their lot - some don't. I would bet that the 500hrs lark won't be around for long though. Make the most of it.
I bow to your greater wisdom and can only dream of the day i acheive full maturity.
Ok so back on thread...i position regularly from MAN and chat to a few Jet2 crews, some seem happy with their lot - some don't. I would bet that the 500hrs lark won't be around for long though. Make the most of it.
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Sorry 3Greens, perhaps I was a little harsh, but we at Jet2 seem to get more than our fair share of bashing.
On the whole Jet2 is not a bad place to work. I for one will be sad to leave come November.
On the whole Jet2 is not a bad place to work. I for one will be sad to leave come November.
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Hello again,
I was just wondering why on the current roster the Block hours, number of sectors and duty time are missing this seem to happen sometimes and then on other occasions it is printed.
Is the reason that they dont what us to know what we are flying sector duty and block wise?
We are flying so little that its not hard to add up!
No flying again today, So I am also now updating my CV and looking for somewhere else to go work!
Good luck all.
I was just wondering why on the current roster the Block hours, number of sectors and duty time are missing this seem to happen sometimes and then on other occasions it is printed.
Is the reason that they dont what us to know what we are flying sector duty and block wise?
We are flying so little that its not hard to add up!
No flying again today, So I am also now updating my CV and looking for somewhere else to go work!
Good luck all.
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Comfortable roster
I've kept out of thing before, but I'm going in at the deep end here. I'm quite happy to be flying 2 or 3 days per week, it makes for a nice gentle pace of life. I get to see my family lots more than most other Lo-Co pilots, and I get to do some flying on my days off from the family routine. I'll bet you that most Ezy/RYR/Baby pilots would love the life we have!
Ok, I know that our T & C's are below par, hopefully things will improve, but I think it'll be next year before they do. As has been said previously, there's a limit for everyone to how far they can be pushed in this respect before they decide to vote with their feet.
Jet2.con - if it's not for you then that's fine, go ahead and leave, but don't come back in 18 months to someone here bleating that you're knackered and never get any quality time off
, because that's the other side of the coin.
Good luck with whatever you decide, but don't be too hasty.
Ok, I know that our T & C's are below par, hopefully things will improve, but I think it'll be next year before they do. As has been said previously, there's a limit for everyone to how far they can be pushed in this respect before they decide to vote with their feet.
Jet2.con - if it's not for you then that's fine, go ahead and leave, but don't come back in 18 months to someone here bleating that you're knackered and never get any quality time off
, because that's the other side of the coin. Good luck with whatever you decide, but don't be too hasty.
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Boeingman: Why are you always telling crew to clear off? No doubt you have got some of what you want and so stuff everyone elses' aspirations. If we all leave then maybe you will have less competition for your unfulfilled aspirations? Even better, you can go back to being the Channex Flying Club with its p1ss-poor SOP's and nepotism. Jet2 need to recruit and involve experienced crew to raise its standards. It needs improved T&C's. How embarrassing to have our Altimeter calls forcibly changed by CAA. What other company promotes a new captain to line trainer in the timespan that we do. I think your attitude is unhealthy for the company. 'Company men' are always 'yes men' and they are always like that for their own personal gain whilst rubbishing anyone elses' criticism which may be healthy for the company. I've experienced at Jet2 the very worst woeful Tech Instruction from 'yes men' climbing greasy pole of success. Jet2 doesn't need any more of the Country Club in training roles. It is heading for serious trouble if it doesn't evolve from its past.
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Originally Posted by Colin Monkfish
Of course a trainers base has everything to with it.
The company are paying him/her/it full duty rate for the whole roster as 'away from base' expenses
The company are paying him/her/it full duty rate for the whole roster as 'away from base' expenses
I say again, given your current attitude it is best you MOVE ON.
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Originally Posted by Mucky Devil
I've experienced at Jet2 the very worst woeful Tech Instruction from 'yes men' climbing greasy pole of success. Jet2 doesn't need any more of the Country Club in training roles. It is heading for serious trouble if it doesn't evolve from its past.
I hope you have informed the Training Dept. about your experience. As to my attitude, I simply say it as I see it.
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Originally Posted by jet2.con
Hello again,
I was just wondering why on the current roster the Block hours, number of sectors and duty time are missing this seem to happen sometimes and then on other occasions it is printed.
Is the reason that they dont what us to know what we are flying sector duty and block wise?
We are flying so little that its not hard to add up!
No flying again today, So I am also now updating my CV and looking for somewhere else to go work!
Good luck all.
I was just wondering why on the current roster the Block hours, number of sectors and duty time are missing this seem to happen sometimes and then on other occasions it is printed.
Is the reason that they dont what us to know what we are flying sector duty and block wise?
We are flying so little that its not hard to add up!
No flying again today, So I am also now updating my CV and looking for somewhere else to go work!
Good luck all.
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Mucky Devil:
"How embarrassing to have our Altimeter calls forcibly changed by CAA."
Just to clarify the CAA did not enforce the change to the new Altimeter call outs they were a responce to the new FODCOM regarding altimeter call outs and the powers that be were given a choice of two options prior to the introduction of a new normal checklist for the B757. It was at this point that the company decided to standardise the altimeter SOP's across fleets following differences imposed by our involvement with Titan and also to comply with said FODCOM.
"you can go back to being the Channex Flying Club with its p1ss-poor SOP's and nepotism
Channex, in my experience, has never been a 'flying club' mentality certainly nothing compares to some smaller operations. In my time here (5 or so years) it has been guilty of certain faults but in the main it is a professional operation which has grown rapidly and is learning from its mistakes. As for experieced pilots well we have our fair share which have been documented on many other threads.
"I've experienced at Jet2 the very worst woeful Tech Instruction from 'yes men' climbing greasy pole of success. Jet2 doesn't need any more of the Country Club in training roles."
Poor tech instruction from who? was this a line trainer or ground school? Both TS and PW are excellent ground school instructors and most external people joining the company have had nothing but praise for their instruction. As to your instruction on the line well it depends who done it!
Jet2.con
I seem to be netting about 80hrs a month on the 737-stretch (757) the hours will come in time I assure you and it really is a nice place to work ust relax and enjoy not having to pay for the flying and having many days off.
Please can we get back to the point here and get away from the usual 'we hate jet2' responces. If you don't like it then no one is forcing you to stay. Some companies fit some and not others and if you feel unhappy then this is simply not the company for you and I wish you luck finding the place where you will feel happy. But please don't draw into question the professionalism of a very hard working friendly and dedicated workforce!
Happy trails
Boxjockey99
"How embarrassing to have our Altimeter calls forcibly changed by CAA."
Just to clarify the CAA did not enforce the change to the new Altimeter call outs they were a responce to the new FODCOM regarding altimeter call outs and the powers that be were given a choice of two options prior to the introduction of a new normal checklist for the B757. It was at this point that the company decided to standardise the altimeter SOP's across fleets following differences imposed by our involvement with Titan and also to comply with said FODCOM.
"you can go back to being the Channex Flying Club with its p1ss-poor SOP's and nepotism
Channex, in my experience, has never been a 'flying club' mentality certainly nothing compares to some smaller operations. In my time here (5 or so years) it has been guilty of certain faults but in the main it is a professional operation which has grown rapidly and is learning from its mistakes. As for experieced pilots well we have our fair share which have been documented on many other threads.
"I've experienced at Jet2 the very worst woeful Tech Instruction from 'yes men' climbing greasy pole of success. Jet2 doesn't need any more of the Country Club in training roles."
Poor tech instruction from who? was this a line trainer or ground school? Both TS and PW are excellent ground school instructors and most external people joining the company have had nothing but praise for their instruction. As to your instruction on the line well it depends who done it!
Jet2.con
I seem to be netting about 80hrs a month on the 737-stretch (757) the hours will come in time I assure you and it really is a nice place to work ust relax and enjoy not having to pay for the flying and having many days off.
Please can we get back to the point here and get away from the usual 'we hate jet2' responces. If you don't like it then no one is forcing you to stay. Some companies fit some and not others and if you feel unhappy then this is simply not the company for you and I wish you luck finding the place where you will feel happy. But please don't draw into question the professionalism of a very hard working friendly and dedicated workforce!
Happy trails
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Well said boxjockey... if people have genuine specific issues, why not direct them to your Base Captain or fleet Captain so that they may be addressed and hopefully recified. Far better than making sweeping statements in this forum adding amunition to the usual Jet2 bashers.
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In response to the constant Jet2 Bashing that has taken place on this site in the past, there is now a Jet2 Forum.
If you are a Genuine Jet2 colleague and not afraid to use your real name. You are more than welcome to Join. Contact myself, Boxjockey99 or silverhawk for details.
If you want to take part in a real debate with real people come along, if you need to vent or seek the advice of anonymous experts stay here
If you are a Genuine Jet2 colleague and not afraid to use your real name. You are more than welcome to Join. Contact myself, Boxjockey99 or silverhawk for details.
If you want to take part in a real debate with real people come along, if you need to vent or seek the advice of anonymous experts stay here