Info on Ryan/Easy
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Looking for roster for a typical day (sectors, etc). Also, is the pay based on block-to-block (what if the flight is delayed, do you get paid extra). And finally average take home pay for a commander.
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Be wary of asking the take-home pay - it will lead you to an extremely inaccurrate comparison. Making comparisons between companies is notoriously difficult. I am a captain with easyJet based at Gatwick and fly about 500 sectors a year. In June I will work 15 days as 4 of my possible working days are lost due to high hours. Of those days 8 are 4-sector days and 7 are 2-sector days. The theoretical max duty day will be just under 11 hours although it will probably be nearer 12. At the bottom end the shortest days are about 6 duty hours.
Regarding pay, easyJet have just had a pay rise and the figure I give will apply to all captains who have done their first 6 months (paid at 90%). Also I will quote the figure that will exist from Oct 06 as that is how long it would take you to get a job with us even if you applied today! Under the new pay rise a captain will have a basic of £73792 plus £28.84 gross per sector (the actual figure is £23.64 but that has a tax free element in it). You get a uniform allowance of £207.96 per year. That makes a total effective gross of £89,126 (assume 500 sectors). In addition a loyalty bonus is paid annually after you have worked for more than 2 years (5%, 10% or 15% for 2+, 5+ or 10+ years). 5% net is worth £2214 in your hand once per year (ie £184/month net effective pay). Also easyJet pay 7% of your basic pay into a pension fund - ie £5165 per year which I believe Ryanair do not.
With all the above taken into account, and assuming you put zero into the company pension fund yourself, then after October you would effectively receive approximately £4900 in your hand plus the loyalty bonus as stated above. In addition you receive the extra £5165 into your pension fund. Obviously if you take advantage of the extremely tax-advantageous rates of pension contributions then you would receive less in your hand but I am trying to enable you to make a valid comparison. For what it is worth my own view is that Ryanair now pays less than easyJet but I am open to correction!
Regarding pay, easyJet have just had a pay rise and the figure I give will apply to all captains who have done their first 6 months (paid at 90%). Also I will quote the figure that will exist from Oct 06 as that is how long it would take you to get a job with us even if you applied today! Under the new pay rise a captain will have a basic of £73792 plus £28.84 gross per sector (the actual figure is £23.64 but that has a tax free element in it). You get a uniform allowance of £207.96 per year. That makes a total effective gross of £89,126 (assume 500 sectors). In addition a loyalty bonus is paid annually after you have worked for more than 2 years (5%, 10% or 15% for 2+, 5+ or 10+ years). 5% net is worth £2214 in your hand once per year (ie £184/month net effective pay). Also easyJet pay 7% of your basic pay into a pension fund - ie £5165 per year which I believe Ryanair do not.
With all the above taken into account, and assuming you put zero into the company pension fund yourself, then after October you would effectively receive approximately £4900 in your hand plus the loyalty bonus as stated above. In addition you receive the extra £5165 into your pension fund. Obviously if you take advantage of the extremely tax-advantageous rates of pension contributions then you would receive less in your hand but I am trying to enable you to make a valid comparison. For what it is worth my own view is that Ryanair now pays less than easyJet but I am open to correction!
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epsilonmiuraised - The situation for FOs is a little more complex in that there are different schemes for joining easyJet and your pay depends on which one you join on. I am not a recruiter and therefore cannot tell you exactly which scheme you are likely to be offered. I can say, however, that right now we desparately need jet-experienced pilots and therefore if you have an unfrozen ATPL and jet experience you will join as an SFO(2). An SFO(1) is a Senior First Officer who joined before a certain date and would therefore get about £3k more per year - that option no longer exists so if you are not in easyJet now you can ignore it. There are 2 other ways of joining. The first is as a low-houred (200 hours approx) cadet and they are paid very little (1000 net for first 6 months and a bit more after that). It is actually quite a good deal in that people with virtually no experience get a chance to fly a jet which they otherwise would never have the opportunity to do. The other scheme is the dreaded TRSS (Type Rated Sponsorship Scheme) where essentially you get paid £5000 less for the first 5 years to effectively pay off the cost of your type rating. Typically if you have turboprop experience and little or no jet time that is what you would be offered. To complicate matters further you get paid 90% for the first 6 months and if you are employed as a First Officer (ie frozen ATPL) you will be paid less again. As you can see the picture is quite complex.
Therefore the specific case I am quoting is an SFO(2) - ie unfrozen ATPL and some jet time, after 6 months service and after October 2006. Your basic pay would be £44,740 plus uniform allowance of £208 making £44,948. On top of that you will get £14.18 per sector of which £7.80 is tax free. If you gross that up it is £19.38 per sector. If you work on 500 sectors per year then your effective pre-tax gross would be £55,063. That equates to £3,220 per month net (variable depending on your tax code) assuming you put nothing into the pension scheme. FOs will now all get a one-off annual 'loyalty bonus' payment of 5% of basic after 3 years' service which is worth £1,342 per year net or effectively £112 per month on average (it is paid in a lump sum on the anniversary of joining). FOs also get 7% pension contributions which are worth £3,132 annually into the fund. I hope that helps.
Therefore the specific case I am quoting is an SFO(2) - ie unfrozen ATPL and some jet time, after 6 months service and after October 2006. Your basic pay would be £44,740 plus uniform allowance of £208 making £44,948. On top of that you will get £14.18 per sector of which £7.80 is tax free. If you gross that up it is £19.38 per sector. If you work on 500 sectors per year then your effective pre-tax gross would be £55,063. That equates to £3,220 per month net (variable depending on your tax code) assuming you put nothing into the pension scheme. FOs will now all get a one-off annual 'loyalty bonus' payment of 5% of basic after 3 years' service which is worth £1,342 per year net or effectively £112 per month on average (it is paid in a lump sum on the anniversary of joining). FOs also get 7% pension contributions which are worth £3,132 annually into the fund. I hope that helps.
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thank you very much for another very useful and informative post. £3,220 per month net seems a good pay although it probably doesn't apply to me as I've a frozen atpl and some a320 experience (but less than 500 hours, so at this time I can't apply, strangely having some hundred hours on the 320 but less than 500 doesn't put me ahead of the low hours guys, this is already discussed here.)
any info about the selection process for DEFO?
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thank you very much for another very useful and informative post. £3,220 per month net seems a good pay although it probably doesn't apply to me as I've a frozen atpl and some a320 experience (but less than 500 hours, so at this time I can't apply, strangely having some hundred hours on the 320 but less than 500 doesn't put me ahead of the low hours guys, this is already discussed here.)
any info about the selection process for DEFO?
thanks
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First of all thanks for the Easyjet figures. Is there anybody who can provide the same information for First Officers at Ryanair. I have done a search on this forum but I noticed so many different figures that I am still confused about the real deal. It looks like there is a different pay scheme for First Officers with less than 500 hours on type, more than 500 and 1500 total time. My current situation is 600 hours on the NG with about 1300 total time.
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Uniform - you have noticed the glitch about working for Ryanair! Basically there are no figures published as everyone is on a slightly different deal. You cannot say that working for Ryanair gives 'X' or 'Y' as there as many variations and I think that is deliberate. A friend of mine went to the Berlin Air Show stand recently to discuss going to Ryanair as a DEC. They gave him a very nice glossy brochure with some quite detailed questions answered. The pay bit, however, was very vague. It quoted figures of £90k+ for captains but did not specify how that would be made up or whether it was a maximum or just a theoretical possibility. The only way to know the truth is to have specific figures - ie basic salary, allowances, assumed sectors, sector pay, allowable expenses, death in service benefit, pension, loss of licence provision, tax free elements etc. Without these specific details you are simply not in a position to make a true assessment of the deal. I have never worked for them, but I am inevitably influenced by the countless warnings on PPrune about pilots joining Ryanair with a verbal promise at the interview only to discover their contract was very different after joining. I cannot verify the truth of those accusations but I would certainly want some very specific details before signing anything. The difference with easyJet is that for all the criticism, you know exactly what you are getting from day one. The pay figures are on the website for everyone to see and you cannot complain afterwards as you knew exactly what you were signing up to. I personally much prefer that rather than vague and subsequently deniable promises.
epsilonmiuraised - regarding easyJet, you would be able to apply as a DE FO. You still receive the same sector pay and uniform allowance worth £10,323 gross on 500 sectors a year after Oct 06. Your basic would be £32,801 gross for the first 6 months and £36,445 gross thereafter making total effective gross salaries of £43,124 and £46,768 respectively. You would also receive 7% of those basic figures into your pension fund. My best estimate of your net monthly pay using Microsoft Money (tax code 447L) would be £2,547 for the first 6 months and £2,727 thereafter assuming that you put zero into the pension fund (in order to compare easyJet accurately with Ryanair).
Regarding your employability, if you have less than 500 hours on type but a few hundred hours on the A320, ie you have airline experience as opposed to just self-sponsored type rating, then easyJet would be very interested in you right now. You are exactly what they want so my advice would be to apply right away - they can only say no! It is worth pointing out to them that by the time they interview you, the magic 500 hours multi-crew will have been reached. Type-rated people are very attractive to companies like easyJet so best of luck!
Finally, I should put in a caveat about the figures I have quoted which are slightly more than the figures on easyJet's website. The reason for this is that under the new pay deal, there is an agreement that after Oct 2006 there will be a further 4% increase across the board and that deal will run for a year until Oct 2007. I have quoted the figures from Oct 2006 because realistically that is roughly when anyone applying now will be actually starting.
epsilonmiuraised - regarding easyJet, you would be able to apply as a DE FO. You still receive the same sector pay and uniform allowance worth £10,323 gross on 500 sectors a year after Oct 06. Your basic would be £32,801 gross for the first 6 months and £36,445 gross thereafter making total effective gross salaries of £43,124 and £46,768 respectively. You would also receive 7% of those basic figures into your pension fund. My best estimate of your net monthly pay using Microsoft Money (tax code 447L) would be £2,547 for the first 6 months and £2,727 thereafter assuming that you put zero into the pension fund (in order to compare easyJet accurately with Ryanair).
Regarding your employability, if you have less than 500 hours on type but a few hundred hours on the A320, ie you have airline experience as opposed to just self-sponsored type rating, then easyJet would be very interested in you right now. You are exactly what they want so my advice would be to apply right away - they can only say no! It is worth pointing out to them that by the time they interview you, the magic 500 hours multi-crew will have been reached. Type-rated people are very attractive to companies like easyJet so best of luck!
Finally, I should put in a caveat about the figures I have quoted which are slightly more than the figures on easyJet's website. The reason for this is that under the new pay deal, there is an agreement that after Oct 2006 there will be a further 4% increase across the board and that deal will run for a year until Oct 2007. I have quoted the figures from Oct 2006 because realistically that is roughly when anyone applying now will be actually starting.
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Senior f/o grade has been abolished.In Ryanair you will take whatever they decide to give you,or you leave.What they give you will not necessarily what they have promised you.But if you have quit elsewhere or paid for your rating,they figure they have you in a bind and will not leave.
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For Ryanair, check out the comments on pay in post number 7 on the following thread: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074
