Jet2 Dual Basing
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Jet2 Dual Basing
The silence is deafening!
Some of our mates have had letters about Manchester/Blackpool but there's been nothing on PPRUNE. Is it legal/moral/contractually allowable?
Some of our mates have had letters about Manchester/Blackpool but there's been nothing on PPRUNE. Is it legal/moral/contractually allowable?
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I e-mailed the caa about this and was told they were aware of Jet2's plans and that they had no problem with what we are calling dual basing. Maybe the fact that we are having primary and 'alternate' bases that makes the difference. I think all the letters to people in MAN was a clerical error.
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"This has been agreed with the CAA due the close proximity of the two airports" - this is not true. An agreement is in place only when it is in the jet2 Ops Manual, FTL section. If you report direct to your alternate base before then, you are operating illegally.
The furthest split so far agreed is GLA/EDI, 48 miles (1hr 3min).
LHR/LGW is 43 miles (54min).
MAN/BLK is 57 miles (1.25) and CAA agreement is far from a foregone conclusion.
You should live within 90 minutes of your alternate base, and guidelines suggest that agreement to dual-basing should be voluntary.
Clerical error? Or testing the water?
The furthest split so far agreed is GLA/EDI, 48 miles (1hr 3min).
LHR/LGW is 43 miles (54min).
MAN/BLK is 57 miles (1.25) and CAA agreement is far from a foregone conclusion.
You should live within 90 minutes of your alternate base, and guidelines suggest that agreement to dual-basing should be voluntary.
Clerical error? Or testing the water?
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Result! Meeting at Manchester on Friday.
But I'm a bit concerned that it needs a meeting - if, as most of us seem to think, the letters were a mistake, then why not simply rescind the letters?
But I'm a bit concerned that it needs a meeting - if, as most of us seem to think, the letters were a mistake, then why not simply rescind the letters?
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Originally Posted by MANBLK
Result! Meeting at Manchester on Friday.
But I'm a bit concerned that it needs a meeting - if, as most of us seem to think, the letters were a mistake, then why not simply rescind the letters?
But I'm a bit concerned that it needs a meeting - if, as most of us seem to think, the letters were a mistake, then why not simply rescind the letters?
Why has everyone been quoted different travelling amounts when the cost should be travelling from your 'primary' base ie MAN, not on individuals home addresses!?
Another case of someone not thinking things through properly!
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Meeting at MAN
Well I'll start the ball rolling. Just back from said meeting where I think pretty much everybody walked out pleased with the outcome. I'm not going into details, because I'm sure that there are people out there who obviously detest Jet2 that'll make some nasty, ill thought out and inappropriate remarks. Let's hope that the management have learnt a lesson and Jet2 will continue to prosper.
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It's inevitable that some kind person will label me naive, etc etc, but it really did feel like the turning point in Channex/Jet2's history of industrial democracy. Congratulations to all concerned - workforce and management - for an excellent & constructive exchange of views - and in particular to several cabin crew members (you'll know who I mean).
And yes, you really did hear it - unless you've agreed to it already, dual basing will be purely voluntary. If you have agreed, the terms may possibly change a little in your favour, difficult to say at this stage.
Sector pay - the meeting was not intended to address this subject, but expect some very minor favourable tweaking in a week or two.
And yes, you really did hear it - unless you've agreed to it already, dual basing will be purely voluntary. If you have agreed, the terms may possibly change a little in your favour, difficult to say at this stage.
Sector pay - the meeting was not intended to address this subject, but expect some very minor favourable tweaking in a week or two.
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Originally Posted by MANBLK
And yes, you really did hear it - unless you've agreed to it already, dual basing will be purely voluntary. If you have agreed, the terms may possibly change a little in your favour, difficult to say at this stage.
Virgin Atlantic have been doing this for years. The contract mentions 'London basing' - and that's it! However, after pressure from the CC and intervention from the CAA, eventually what was agreed is that you would report to LHR for LGW departures and the 'Limo' would depart from LHR 1 hour before the normal check in at LGW.
The realities of this however were that the Limo was in fact the regular shuttle bus that left on the hour every hour. This meant that your real report time at LHR could be 1.55 before check in at LGW. Considering that had to park in the staff car park by the 27R threshold and get the not too frequent bus to the Queens building, this could easily add a total of 3 hours to your day. Just what you need before operating a 2 crew sector to Florida which could be as long as 11 hours block time! they got away with it by incorrectly (in most peoples opinion - except for the CAA's!) applying the 'Florida 2 variation'.
Of course, for people like myself who thought they were joining for a LHR base, the prospect of adding 3 hours to you day was just too much, so I drove round the M25 myself to LGW, a saving of 2 hours on some days- which is what the company wanted in the first place.
I was one of the reasons I left the company.
The realities of this however were that the Limo was in fact the regular shuttle bus that left on the hour every hour. This meant that your real report time at LHR could be 1.55 before check in at LGW. Considering that had to park in the staff car park by the 27R threshold and get the not too frequent bus to the Queens building, this could easily add a total of 3 hours to your day. Just what you need before operating a 2 crew sector to Florida which could be as long as 11 hours block time! they got away with it by incorrectly (in most peoples opinion - except for the CAA's!) applying the 'Florida 2 variation'.
Of course, for people like myself who thought they were joining for a LHR base, the prospect of adding 3 hours to you day was just too much, so I drove round the M25 myself to LGW, a saving of 2 hours on some days- which is what the company wanted in the first place.
I was one of the reasons I left the company.
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Originally Posted by Rudder Pedals
Interesting, thanks for the info. Any idea when those who have volunteered will start working from Blackpool?
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Didn’t you just love that moment when a voice from the front row said, “I can see what’s in this for you, Ian, but tell me what’s in it for us” - go for it, girl! A really good meeting, thanks to all concerned.
I’ve been trying to figure out the reasons for this gulf of misunderstanding, other than the obvious cost-saving one.
Ian and his team probably think nothing of driving from Bournemouth to Leeds and then working a 14 hour day. In this we are fortunate, because the success of Jet2 and therefore our jobs depend upon it. So maybe Ian can’t work out why we are so averse to nipping up the motorway from eg Sandbach to Blackpool and doing a mere 9 hour duty.
But flying is different. Reporting late creates immediate stress. Even a modest journey on congested motorways leaves you frazzled for the most important event of the day, the first takeoff. The effects are still felt during the most dangerous event of the day, the last approach and landing. Drive back through the same congestion, have 10 hours (maybe less) at home and do the same thing tomorrow and the next day, and the first few links of a fatal error chain have already been forged.
With today’s traffic, long-distance driving and safe flying just don’t mix. If the CAA are reading this (and I’m sure you are), please ensure that even the volunteers are protected when they encounter the busy Blackpool summer motorway traffic on minimum rest.
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I’ve been trying to figure out the reasons for this gulf of misunderstanding, other than the obvious cost-saving one.
Ian and his team probably think nothing of driving from Bournemouth to Leeds and then working a 14 hour day. In this we are fortunate, because the success of Jet2 and therefore our jobs depend upon it. So maybe Ian can’t work out why we are so averse to nipping up the motorway from eg Sandbach to Blackpool and doing a mere 9 hour duty.
But flying is different. Reporting late creates immediate stress. Even a modest journey on congested motorways leaves you frazzled for the most important event of the day, the first takeoff. The effects are still felt during the most dangerous event of the day, the last approach and landing. Drive back through the same congestion, have 10 hours (maybe less) at home and do the same thing tomorrow and the next day, and the first few links of a fatal error chain have already been forged.
With today’s traffic, long-distance driving and safe flying just don’t mix. If the CAA are reading this (and I’m sure you are), please ensure that even the volunteers are protected when they encounter the busy Blackpool summer motorway traffic on minimum rest.
Edited for typos
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