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Dear Candidate
We are looking to recruit First Officers for the 757 fleet to start a course around June & July.
I have 2 assessment days planned for 20th & 21st April.
If you are interested in attending either of the above dates, can you please confirm how many hours approximately that you have flown in the last 6 months.
We are looking to recruit First Officers for the 757 fleet to start a course around June & July.
I have 2 assessment days planned for 20th & 21st April.
If you are interested in attending either of the above dates, can you please confirm how many hours approximately that you have flown in the last 6 months.
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Robbie Naish
I haven't heard of a holding pool for Britannia! I don't want to be rude, but are you sure you got offered a place?
Rockbound
There is already a lot of recent material about the 1st stage written. And I have found to be correct and very useful.
But if you want a big tip for the math paper... RTFA... Read The answers...
Good Luck to those all stages.
T'n'O
I haven't heard of a holding pool for Britannia! I don't want to be rude, but are you sure you got offered a place?
Rockbound
There is already a lot of recent material about the 1st stage written. And I have found to be correct and very useful.
But if you want a big tip for the math paper... RTFA... Read The answers...
Good Luck to those all stages.
T'n'O
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Sorry to interupt the thread slightly but does anyone have any info regarding if and when TF will be looking for F/O's? The website has just stopped asking for DEC's so i'm not sure if thats a good sign or not.
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T fly hiring
I have heard that there are a few more selection days coming up, but I dont know which fleet it is for. Unfort, some people didnt make it through either the initial training, base training or line training, so I am assuming it is to plug some of these holes.
Tips-know and understand fractions, do not spend any time on a question you find difficult, go back to it at the end. I saw a lot of people with half completed math papers make sure you get through all of it, and if you cant its because you have not prepared enough.
English comp tests can be tricky so go to your local wh smith and buy some books on the subject..
group exercise, be yourself and enjoy it, I felt the tension in the room so I had to crack a couple of one liners. Dont be over eager to impress I saw that done and he made a bit of a fool of himself.
sim, you are given everything you need so you should know the profile like the back of your hand with no hesitation. they are not looking for perfection but they are looking to see how well you prepared, most of the guys on my course used flight sim at home....
bad news is once you are in, their are failures on the ground school/sim, on the base training, and on the line training so my piece of advise there is, if you are running into any difficulty talk to others in your class with more experience, nothing worse then the stress of training and keeping it all to yourself....
its a great company..
enjoy
Tips-know and understand fractions, do not spend any time on a question you find difficult, go back to it at the end. I saw a lot of people with half completed math papers make sure you get through all of it, and if you cant its because you have not prepared enough.
English comp tests can be tricky so go to your local wh smith and buy some books on the subject..
group exercise, be yourself and enjoy it, I felt the tension in the room so I had to crack a couple of one liners. Dont be over eager to impress I saw that done and he made a bit of a fool of himself.
sim, you are given everything you need so you should know the profile like the back of your hand with no hesitation. they are not looking for perfection but they are looking to see how well you prepared, most of the guys on my course used flight sim at home....
bad news is once you are in, their are failures on the ground school/sim, on the base training, and on the line training so my piece of advise there is, if you are running into any difficulty talk to others in your class with more experience, nothing worse then the stress of training and keeping it all to yourself....
its a great company..
enjoy
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The DECs who have completed part of the selection are being taken to the end, those who have not started yet are not being offered dates for selection whilst the company sorts out the issue of present F/Os with command bids in not getting command courses whilst DEC recruitment continues. As I understand it, DECs will not be offered jobs even if they pass selection until the issue has been sorted out, hopefully soon.
Some F/O and S/O recruitment is being done at the moment, I believe that it is those who have come from the recommendation scheme.
Enjoy it. Be yourself. Don't think you have to be ace-to-base, just competent as a commander. No tricks, but learn the profiles and standard calls they have given you. Remember a lot of what they are assessing is CRM.....
PP
Some F/O and S/O recruitment is being done at the moment, I believe that it is those who have come from the recommendation scheme.
I’ve got a day two DEC sim assessment on the LGW 737 sim.
Does anyone have any tips or pointers?
Does anyone have any tips or pointers?
PP
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There is a base bid round going on at the moment. So requirements for summer recruitment will await the result (end may).
As i heard we are taking on at extra 500 pilots over the next 5 years for continued expansion of the 737 fleet.
We are losing a 763 next month (june) and also 2 767 are being returned to germany poss next summer. So overall a reduction in what was called mainline fleet. That said due to command transfers, oppurtunity's still exist for new comers on this fleet.
The company wants to stop DEC if possible but doesn't have the nessesary volunteers. Also did hear that the age for S/O recruitment may be raised and that the staring salary for F/O's may be raised to bring it in line with others. (ITs around Ł41K about 4K less than simalar airlines, although with overtime F/O wage is around Ł50-Ł70k).
Generally S/O (low hour) pilots come from Jerez (sponsored) and CTC however there are posts for direct entry CV's.
BB
(All as per my understanding might not be 100%)
As i heard we are taking on at extra 500 pilots over the next 5 years for continued expansion of the 737 fleet.
We are losing a 763 next month (june) and also 2 767 are being returned to germany poss next summer. So overall a reduction in what was called mainline fleet. That said due to command transfers, oppurtunity's still exist for new comers on this fleet.
The company wants to stop DEC if possible but doesn't have the nessesary volunteers. Also did hear that the age for S/O recruitment may be raised and that the staring salary for F/O's may be raised to bring it in line with others. (ITs around Ł41K about 4K less than simalar airlines, although with overtime F/O wage is around Ł50-Ł70k).
Generally S/O (low hour) pilots come from Jerez (sponsored) and CTC however there are posts for direct entry CV's.
BB
(All as per my understanding might not be 100%)
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I tried to relax and enjoy my DEC sim assessment. However, there were two assessors and one of them sat in the right hand seat. I found him increasingly intimidating and my performance took a nosedive. Unsurprisingly I didn't get a job offer, but I wasn't too upset because any company that can do that to you isn't quite my cup of tea. I don't think that the intimidation was intentional, it was just in his nature. The guy in the back seemed much more pleasant.
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I am surprised at that as I found both assessors to be absolute gentlemen; It was a very pleasant atmosphere.
My mistake was to sit in the right hand seat (because that is where I have been sitting for the last couple of years). It didn't feel right to command from there somehow, and I also found it very difficult to make myself heard, so I don't think I demonstrated the 'right stuff'; (plus I made a complete hash of it!). I might ask to use headsets if I ever try again.
My mistake was to sit in the right hand seat (because that is where I have been sitting for the last couple of years). It didn't feel right to command from there somehow, and I also found it very difficult to make myself heard, so I don't think I demonstrated the 'right stuff'; (plus I made a complete hash of it!). I might ask to use headsets if I ever try again.
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I went for an interview last year and wrote this afterwards (I copied this in from word and some of it came out wrong; when its says 6x2 it means 6x squared):
Britannia Interview Day 1
The day comprised of a numerical reasoning test, verbal reasoning, 2 group discussions and a psychological test. The tests had been supplied by ‘parc’ aviation. The tests were conducted by a 757 FO and 2 HR girls. At the end of the day there was also an informal question and answer session about the company.
Numerical Test
There were 40 questions to complete in 30 minutes. There were some very simple questions and some more difficult. The test had algebra, adding, subtracting, dividing and multiplying fractions, estimation, number substitution and a flow chart to follow for the last 2 questions. There was no mention of negative marking.
Examples:
1. 6x2+2x2+y=
y=?
a. 8x4
b. 4x2
c. -8x2
d. 8x2
e. None of these
2. 2y+3y+4x=13y
y=2
x=?
a. 2
b. 4
c. 6
d. 8
e. None of these
3. Rounded to the nearest whole number what does (1.99x8.876)/2.123=?
a. 6
b. 12
c. 14
d. 16
e. None of these
4. 3NN7+2N7=369N (There were lots of these ones!!)
What number is missing?
a. 4
b. 5
c. 6
d. 7
e. None of these
5. 2/3+2/3=
a. 4/6
b. 4/9
c. 4/3
d. 1/3
e. None of these
Verbal Reasoning
The test was 40 minutes long. There were 5 sub tests in the verbal reasoning; Inferences, assumptions, arguments, conclusions and deductions (I think it was deductions or something very similar?). All the sub tests were similar in length so less than 10 minutes per test. On the Inference test, there would be a paragraph stating something e.g. ‘Some people leave the lights on in their house when they go out’. Then for the question it would give an inference like ‘There is no one in the house’. The answers you could give were true, partly true, inadequate data, partly false or false. (Don’t ask me what the right answer is!)
The other tests were very similar with the statement then a question making an assumption, conclusion or deduction and you have to decide if it was a correct assumption, conclusion or deduction.
With the argument test, there was again a statement and you have to decide if it was a weak or a strong argument (simple??).
Group Exercise
There were 2 group exercises both with a very similar set out. You are given a brief saying that you are a director of a company and you are having a meeting with the other directors. You are each given an individual memo from your department. You have 10 minutes to read the brief and 20 minutes to discuss the problem. The problem is that there is poor communication in the company and low morale of the employees. As a group you must come up with a solution to improve morale and communication in the company discussing advantages and disadvantages of each idea.
The second exercise was as I said very similar with a brief and memos. This time you are in charge of an oil platform. Your employees are about to strike because the food is bad, the rigs keep breaking down, costs are rising, production is falling etc, etc. The only difference in this one is that you need to select someone to debrief the assessors for a maximum of 3 minutes on the conclusions that you come to.
Psychological Test
This was a typical agree, in between, disagree test. 187 questions no time limit. Apparently used in the stage 2 one on one interview.
Britannia Interview Day 1
The day comprised of a numerical reasoning test, verbal reasoning, 2 group discussions and a psychological test. The tests had been supplied by ‘parc’ aviation. The tests were conducted by a 757 FO and 2 HR girls. At the end of the day there was also an informal question and answer session about the company.
Numerical Test
There were 40 questions to complete in 30 minutes. There were some very simple questions and some more difficult. The test had algebra, adding, subtracting, dividing and multiplying fractions, estimation, number substitution and a flow chart to follow for the last 2 questions. There was no mention of negative marking.
Examples:
1. 6x2+2x2+y=
y=?
a. 8x4
b. 4x2
c. -8x2
d. 8x2
e. None of these
2. 2y+3y+4x=13y
y=2
x=?
a. 2
b. 4
c. 6
d. 8
e. None of these
3. Rounded to the nearest whole number what does (1.99x8.876)/2.123=?
a. 6
b. 12
c. 14
d. 16
e. None of these
4. 3NN7+2N7=369N (There were lots of these ones!!)
What number is missing?
a. 4
b. 5
c. 6
d. 7
e. None of these
5. 2/3+2/3=
a. 4/6
b. 4/9
c. 4/3
d. 1/3
e. None of these
Verbal Reasoning
The test was 40 minutes long. There were 5 sub tests in the verbal reasoning; Inferences, assumptions, arguments, conclusions and deductions (I think it was deductions or something very similar?). All the sub tests were similar in length so less than 10 minutes per test. On the Inference test, there would be a paragraph stating something e.g. ‘Some people leave the lights on in their house when they go out’. Then for the question it would give an inference like ‘There is no one in the house’. The answers you could give were true, partly true, inadequate data, partly false or false. (Don’t ask me what the right answer is!)
The other tests were very similar with the statement then a question making an assumption, conclusion or deduction and you have to decide if it was a correct assumption, conclusion or deduction.
With the argument test, there was again a statement and you have to decide if it was a weak or a strong argument (simple??).
Group Exercise
There were 2 group exercises both with a very similar set out. You are given a brief saying that you are a director of a company and you are having a meeting with the other directors. You are each given an individual memo from your department. You have 10 minutes to read the brief and 20 minutes to discuss the problem. The problem is that there is poor communication in the company and low morale of the employees. As a group you must come up with a solution to improve morale and communication in the company discussing advantages and disadvantages of each idea.
The second exercise was as I said very similar with a brief and memos. This time you are in charge of an oil platform. Your employees are about to strike because the food is bad, the rigs keep breaking down, costs are rising, production is falling etc, etc. The only difference in this one is that you need to select someone to debrief the assessors for a maximum of 3 minutes on the conclusions that you come to.
Psychological Test
This was a typical agree, in between, disagree test. 187 questions no time limit. Apparently used in the stage 2 one on one interview.
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Pension scheme
Could somebody please help out with the following:
Assuming one is fortunate enough to get into Thomsonfly, what does the pension scheme (contributions, restrictsions, transfer period etc) look like?
TIA
Assuming one is fortunate enough to get into Thomsonfly, what does the pension scheme (contributions, restrictsions, transfer period etc) look like?
TIA
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Can anyone advise on this:
a) How quickly are you called up for day 2 following a sucessful day 1?
b) How soon after a day 2 are you informed of your result?
The pressure is on for me to give the go-ahead, or otherwise, on another offer - not sure how long I'll have to keep them waiting.
a) How quickly are you called up for day 2 following a sucessful day 1?
b) How soon after a day 2 are you informed of your result?
The pressure is on for me to give the go-ahead, or otherwise, on another offer - not sure how long I'll have to keep them waiting.
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Yup did that.. they were taking a while to get back to me and I needed to know soon - hope that helps!
Have now got an answer - Result from day one in a week, pretty quickly onto a day 2 which has an instant result.
Have now got an answer - Result from day one in a week, pretty quickly onto a day 2 which has an instant result.
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Day sim
Day 2
Your performance needs to be good enough to pass an OPC on the sim type you have been given. Even if you have not flown the type or have it on your license.
Don't be surprised if they totally deviate from the sim brief.
Your performance needs to be good enough to pass an OPC on the sim type you have been given. Even if you have not flown the type or have it on your license.
Don't be surprised if they totally deviate from the sim brief.
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What is then the purpose of the sim session - to determine whether one has raw data skills and the potential to learn etc or whether one can fly to OPC standards (effectively having to have type rating and sufficient time on type)? 
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Originally Posted by Aslan
What is then the purpose of the sim session
For a 200hr pilot trying for S/O entry they are looking for the basic instrument flying skills, an improvement and an ability to learn. Add into that a chunk of CRM and that's pretty much it.
If however you are a 737 captain trying for direct entry then expect to be assessed differently on the same profile. It would be reasonable to expect a direct entry captain to be able to fly his current type to LPC standard. As with any sim assessment, especially for direct entry captain, the brief is the brief. If they throw something extra at you then you should be able to handle it. If they just keep loading you up until you fail then they are probably not worth working for.
If you are a 200hr guy and they throw something at you that is not in the brief then it serves a couple of purposes;
1. It probably means you are doing quite well and they want to see how much extra capacity you have, and
2. They may want to find out how you handle something 'out of the ordinary', not necessarily expecting you to 'ace' it, just inquisitive.
Either way, your mission is to remain cool and collected and just remember, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. It is better to fly the machine well than answer the capacity questions about age in months etc. Served me well, as I never did manage to answer the question they threw at me and just kept saying "STANDBY", however I remained nailed to 4000' and 230kts as requested!
PP