Ryanair and a Pilots thoughts

[Config]

Themselves... They could have rejected the pay deal that was offered, but accepted. I for one, rejected it because (in aggreement with above) I thought it was a bad deal.
(Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here!)

The deal is simple - You either work for Ryanair or you don't. If you don't, then none of this should bother you. If you do, remember you don't have to. (Something like that!) It's just all getting very boring now...

[Pilot Pete]

Originally Posted by Config

You either work for Ryanair or you don't. If you don't, then none of this should bother you. If you do, remember you don't have to.

If you cannot understand that this affects every pilot in Irish and UK employment then you are very narrow minded. Many choose not to work for Ryanair because of such practices, but the sensible ones support their colleagues in Ryanair and every other airline in their attempts to preserve/ better their terms and conditions. What happens in Ryanair has a knock on effect in their competitors as management try to compete on a cost basis. It is in everyone's interest (as pilots) that Ryanair and Easy and all the other airlines' pilots manage to better their Ts & Cs and that bad practices such as messing with duty hours, disturbing pilots' rest, not giving them the leave they are entitled to, screwing them out of duty pay and the list could go on, should all stop.

I have always been of the opinion that those who join an airline like Ryanair to get some experience to then leave and join a 'decent airline' are slowly but surely dragging the terms and conditions in said 'decent airline' down towards the lowest common denominator. For instance look at paying for type ratings. My company (one of the supposed 'decent airlines') started charging new joiners £10k towards the cost of type training last year. This is a direct result of the lo-cos having such a practice and my employer just could not compete. So do yourselves (and all the rest of us) a favour and join REPA, negotiate proper terms and conditions and don't allow your employer to treat you like dirt.

PP

[I LUV DUFF]

While it was never going to be an Aer Lingus or BA etc,people forget that Ryanair used to be a pretty OK place to work back in the 90`s. The working days were reasonable, the money was pretty good and the relationship between pilots and management was at its peak. MOL one day decides that one of the few ways left to earn a few more bob is to squeez it out of the staff. He recruits the FAT BOYS (ye know who ye are, join a gym!)to run the show and fast forward to today where you have a situation where the days are rediculously long,people are earning the same money as they were 10 years ago(or less if you consider inflation),you have to pay for EVERYTHING yourself,the pension is ****e,the chief pilot won t stand up for his pilots (and is only interested in lumping more work on the pilotbody so he ll get a bigger bonus at the end of the year. What a disgrace!At least M O C and J D stood up to M O L) and the relationship with management is at an all time low.
It used to be a company where you could plan to have a career and look forward to getting your command and the respect that the position carried.(Remember the company mobile phone,the capts company credit card and the frequent nights out at the cost of the company).Then it became a company where you put up with the crap to get your command and then consider your options.Now its not even worth getting a command because the minute you get your fourth stripe you have a target on your back, management having their finger firmly on the trigger.You re going to leave anyway so minimise your time here as you ll only delay you re progression elsewhere.
In short,this company used to be OK,now it SUCKS!

[Boeing 7E7]

I think it's worth reiterating what Pilot Pete has said in his post. I work for another of the larger charter airlines and they too have reduced the entry level package for new joiners. Not really becasue they need to in order to compete commercially, but because they can, and pilots will still join as it is still better than Ryanair. So this mind set that a pilot will join Ryanair, get a type rating, some experience and a command and then leave is increasingly flawed.

All pilots in the industry need FR to sort it's problems out when it comes to the overall package. The real, long term and viable solution is to join REPA and solve the issue. It will help everyone. There can be little doubt that Ryanair and Easyjet are the future for short haul scheduled flying, so it is vital that you in these airlines sort it out - for everyone!

[Pilot Pete]

Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7

I work for another of the larger charter airlines and they too have reduced the entry level package for new joiners. Not really becasue they need to in order to compete commercially......

I don't know which charter airline you work for, but the 3 that I have experience with ALL had around 50% of their market flying to mainland Spain and the Balaeric Islands. This market has taken the biggest hit from the lo-cost carriers as it is right in their territory. So you may be right in saying that it is not to compete commercially directly, but I would argue that it is, at least partly.

PP

[396.8T]

Mr Lancester who are Aerjet!!!!!!

[the grim repa]

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...s+wanted+.html

show me the money,show me the money!

[Boeing 7E7]

Pilot Pete
I'm afraid that you have missed the main thrust of my point. It wasn't aboutwhy terms and conditions are now supressed, but confirming your premise that it is happening and, will continue to do so untill the pilots in Ryanair do something about it. Leaving and joining another airline in search of better conditions is steadily turning to fools gold. I like many pilots, support their uphill struggle to gain lost ground that has occured in recent times.